NIGHTWISH's 'Amaranth' Single Available As Flower-Fragrance-Shaped Picture Disc

29.01.2010

NIGHTWISH's "Amaranth" single, which was issued in 2007 as a mini-CD via Nuclear Blast Records , is now available as a flower-fragrance-shaped picture disc vinyl via Night Of The Vinyl Dead. The hand-numbered edition is limited to 500 copies and features the song "While Your Lips Are Still Red" on "Side Flower" and the single title track on "Side Band".

"While Your Lips Are Still Red" was written by NIGHTWISH leader/keyboardist Tuomas Holopainen as the main theme for the Finnish feature film "Lieksa!" which premiered in Finland in September 2007. The song features NIGHTWISH bassist/vocalist Marco Hietala on vocals, Tuomas on keys and NIGHTWISH's Jukka "Julius" Nevalainen on drums.

The movie "Lieksa!" was directed and written by renowned Finnish movie director Markku Pölönen.

Source: Blabbermouth.net

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You can't even tell its the shape of a flower... it looks like a blotch with Nightwish's picture on it lol.

Denise wrote on 29.01.2010 at 11:26
"a flower-fragrance-shaped picture disc" Oh God....Nightwish are going floral

Helen wrote on 29.01.2010 at 11:27
Amaranth was a crappy song already when it was released a couple of years back, perfume won't make it better...

Tuomas, you should know better than to agree to this nonsense.

itneverstops wrote on 29.01.2010 at 11:28
"While Your Lips Are Still Red" however, is a great song. Tuomas at his best.

itneverstops wrote on 29.01.2010 at 11:31
I beg your pardon?

This must be the most useless release in the history of music.

And it thought a certain coffin-sized box-set from a certain American band was untouchable.

Legeon wrote on 29.01.2010 at 11:36
This is so useless... The perfume wouldn't make the song better.

But "While your lips are still red" is a great song, I like it.

Kiri wrote on 29.01.2010 at 12:44
"a flower-fragrance-shaped picture disc" Oh God....Nightwish are going floral"
yeah...you're right...but I wonder if the cause is Anette =))

Maria wrote on 29.01.2010 at 14:40
Another great idea from Nuclear Blast. -.-

Minea wrote on 29.01.2010 at 15:04
maybe next time we will get a soap with a disc

as a bonus :-P

soap in a NW logo shape, the blue color maybe?

mermaid wrote on 29.01.2010 at 15:16
@Legeon
"This must be the most useless release in the history of music. "

If it had been a CD or a DVD i would agree with you.
But it's a vinyl disc.
It's a collector's item.

PT wrote on 29.01.2010 at 15:53
where its shape i cant see it

nash wrote on 29.01.2010 at 15:59
AMARANTH is the best song ever and specially in the album DARK PASSION PLAY and it took the BEST SONG AT ECHO AWARDS 2008

nash wrote on 29.01.2010 at 16:01
"AMARANTH is the best song ever and specially in the album DARK PASSION PLAY and it took the BEST SONG AT ECHO AWARDS 2008"

Amaranth wouldn't be the best song ever even if every other song in the world would seize to exist.. And usually those kind of awards only mean that the winners sold the most. Which is nowhere near meaning to actually being the best.

Bart wrote on 29.01.2010 at 17:07
@PT

Releases aren't just CDs and DVDs.

This "item" was MANUFACTURED by some company,and it contains music,so by definition it is a release.

When a fashion company makes a collector's item,like a pair of shoes,it's still clothing.

Legeon wrote on 29.01.2010 at 17:53
DEB:
"Friday, 29 January 2010
Salvation for tired backs

I bought a fantastic shiatsu massage pillow from OBH Nordica a year ago and without it I couldnt cope those days when I wake up with neck pain, back pain or head ache... like today. Now I´m sitting here and the warm massage helps for sure.
Posted by Anette Olzon at 16:48 0 comments "

mermaid wrote on 29.01.2010 at 18:02
And there is a BOOK to be written!
With a help of her fans, off course...
CAN NOT WAIT for that.

:-))

DEB:

"I lied in my bath tub last night and always when I lie there I get so much inspiration. It can be a song that comes to my head, an idea of some project or like yesterday: a book to write. I have been longing to write a book but havent felt that I had the right idea of it. Now I got one and I will ask for some help from you soon for it. I will return with more information;=)

Posted by Anette Olzon at 15:00"

mermaid wrote on 29.01.2010 at 18:04
From Anette's blog

"I lied in my bath tub last night and always when I lie there I get so much inspiration. It can be a song that comes to my head, an idea of some project or like yesterday: a book to write. I have been longing to write a book but havent felt that I had the right idea of it. Now I got one and I will ask for some help from you soon for it. I will return with more information;=)"

OMG, now a book!!!! Lol!! Anette has such undeniable writing skills, indeed, lol

Tricky wrote on 29.01.2010 at 18:18
Tero,

by the look of it there will be NO solo CD, (as we discussed by her Road blocks post).

DEB:
"Anette Olzon said...
Anna: About the solo: I am still thinking whether or not to release it, but as soon as I have decided I will let everyone know;=) Take care!

29 January 2010 15:51 "

SO SAD. :-(((

mermaid wrote on 29.01.2010 at 18:35
from Anette's blog

"About the solo: I am still thinking whether or not to release it"

she's already not so enthusiastic about her solo or she doubted in her talent.

Isabell wrote on 29.01.2010 at 19:00
Tricky,

have a look in The Waste Bin... she is writing on her blog mainly about:

being ill/tired/with nightmares
shopping
hair

I am looking forward to see how she will explain that she is in fact not going to release the mentioned book ...
or can you see the publishing company who will print it?
AND
pay her some money for the book? (because she CERTAINLY would want some money out of that..)

To write a book is much less profitable then to release the CD... and by the look of it she will not do even that.

mermaid wrote on 29.01.2010 at 19:19
Pff...pointless release.

DeadAndGone wrote on 29.01.2010 at 19:57
Hi guys, we're not talking about Anette's blog (btw, if one day I want to read it, i'll read b MYSELF. do'nt spoiled MFF) BUT we're talking about a hideous marketing idea. Those things aren't decided by the band but by the label!

martin wrote on 29.01.2010 at 21:04
also It's the worst stinky idea coming from nuclear blast

martin wrote on 29.01.2010 at 21:05
While your lips are still red is the most beautiful and emotional song if ever heard. There is no song that is better. In bad times the song helped me a lot.
Thanks Tuomas for writing this marvelous song!

the lovely bones wrote on 29.01.2010 at 23:38
I personally think Amaranth is a beautiful song, with a lot of meaning behind it if people would stop and listen to the lyrics and maybe think about them. I can't say I'm pleased with this development, though...overproducton at its finest. And I blame Nuclear Blast. -_-

TheVoiceInYourHead wrote on 30.01.2010 at 00:25
oO. This had to be the most ridiculous release in history! It does not matter wheter it is an collectors item or not, it is just stupid, in my opinion. And that they release Amaranth on it, is one thing. But why also put While your lips are still red, the masterpiece since 2005 (with the Islander and Master Passion Greed on good 2nd and 3th place), on this sorry excuse of a vinyl release too? That songs deserves way more!

Gremlin wrote on 30.01.2010 at 02:01
Jukka, how could you give the green light to this?

Well, at least "While Your Lips Are Still Red" is on this. That's a great song.

Jeremy wrote on 30.01.2010 at 03:20
@Martin.

Get used to it. Mermaid's been posting Olzon's blog on MFF for months now.

Blaze wrote on 30.01.2010 at 03:21
for BART , You wrote that it sold the most its same meaning its the best But dont think that i love anette olzon than Tarja and from your words it seems that you love Tarja more than Anette . If this is the truth tell to know that you love anette or tarja

nash wrote on 30.01.2010 at 13:00
@ Blaze

"Get used to it. Mermaid's been posting Olzon's blog on MFF for months now."

Yep, and apparently she doesn't even have a good reason why she is doing that. :'D

Minea wrote on 30.01.2010 at 13:40
@Legeon

"This "item" was MANUFACTURED by some company,and it contains music,so by definition it is a release."

Of course. LOL. I didnt meant to say anything different.
But RELEASING a vynil disc is somewhat "special".

I said It's a collector's item because of this particularity. (beeing a Vynil disc)
I know for personal experience (as a sells person) that in a few years a vynil disc that will cost you 20? will be valued in 100? for example. But the same album in a support like a CD will be valued in something like 10?-5? , right ?

The vynil disc market is like a "cult".
Many people still keep them even though there's a lot of new technology around (MP3,Blue Ray,CD,DVD,etc).

PT wrote on 30.01.2010 at 14:21
it has no meaning at all of re-releasing the amaranth single. this band has made the dark passion play their most commercial album thinking of the fact that it has come out in hundred of editions with no specific difference of each one of them. it seems like everything's happening for the sake of money but that doesn't make it worthy, i guess that worthiness exists in the simple things and not in the re-release of a hundred times of a disc or whatever!
i'm wondering who will ever buy all those re-releases of dpp and amaranth etc! (i guess that you need to have a fortune beside you to buy all those things :P)

mar wrote on 30.01.2010 at 14:59
@PT

Yes,you're right.But the point is,that all these "collector's items" are released just for the reason you said:their rising profit.

Even a release that is called "limited edition",but contains some extras can be considered sometimes useless,if these extras are just demos or anything like that.

BUT a release with nothing extra PLUS a vinyl in the shape of a flower,is much worse.
I've seen many useless,profit-only collector's edition releases,but this flower-shape is the top.

Legeon wrote on 30.01.2010 at 15:32
Mermaid, sometimes I hate you for your comments and I do not agree with them, but yeah, you cheer my day up :)

laura palmer wrote on 30.01.2010 at 18:01
It's a good thing really that I'm not a collector with bad taste & a fortune to waste.
And even it the band has nothing to do with all these re-realeases, it's pointless to buy the same thing at a different version.
As for "While Your Lips Are Still Red" I believe is Nightwish best moment since 2007. Tuomas poetic skills are at its best & Marco's divine voice is simply amazing.

nemesis wrote on 30.01.2010 at 19:26
@ Minea

Of course she has a reason: FOR THE LULZ.

Blaze wrote on 30.01.2010 at 19:45
@ Blaze

"Of course she has a reason: FOR THE LULZ."

I think she gets some kind of "cool feelings" when she clicks 'send comment' and her message includes Anette's blog post. Only 'Reader's Digest' of course. :'D

Ooh, my imagination just started up...

Yap, I'm bored. Maybe I just should continue playing Kingdom Hearts.

Minea wrote on 30.01.2010 at 23:08
@ Minea

Well, it's her thing. She can fire away if she wants.

Did you say KINGDOM HEARTS? 1 or 2?

Nothing is more awesome than seeing Disney characters beat the ever-loving crap out of the Heartless. Who knew Mickey Mouse could be so badass and have a serious conversation with a character played by Christopher Lee?

Hmmm...Tuomas is a big Disney fan... I wonder what he would think of KH.

I also wonder what he thought when Disney banned Nightwish and all other metal acts from playing in the House of Blues in Anaheim and THEN have the gall to make a Hannah Montana style sitcom making fun of the genre. Those bastards...

Blaze wrote on 31.01.2010 at 03:19
@ Blaze

Yes, Kingdom Hearts 1. I have KH2, too. They are wonderful games, I must say. :) I just closed the Keyhole in Hollow Bastion and now I'm heading to the Hades Cup to level up Sora, Donald and Goofy.

I think Tuomas would like those games since he is a big Disney fan. Before I discovered Kingdom Hearts games I played Final Fantasies. I still play them, today I started to play FFX. Again. :]

About the House of Blues, well, I was quite surprised when I heard the reason why they cancelled Nightwish's gig. It sounded like they didn't even bothered to find out what kind of music Nightwish really plays. They simply judged them after hearing they play metal, which is not even pure metal. I think they should listen to FantasMic. :D

Where are you from, Blaze? :)

Minea wrote on 31.01.2010 at 16:58
@ Minea
California, about an hour's drive from Anaheim. I have seen Nightwish, Tarja, SA, and H.I.M. when they come around here.

To be fair, the whole Disney ban on metal didn't begin with NW. The whole affair started in Sept. 2007, two months before NW was scheduled to play in Anaheim. Machine Head and The Faceless were forced to make a last minute venue change due to a sudden call from Disney that they were not allowed to play due to "undesirable fans." You read that right. That soon expanded to all metal bands, including NW.

Blaze wrote on 01.02.2010 at 00:00
I'm from California, about an hour's drive from Anaheim. GO ANGELS!

The whole Disney ban on metal was a blanket statement that started with Machine Head and the Faceless. I can't believe that they could file NW under this stereotype for fear of attracting "undesirable fans."

C'mon, Disney! It's not like NW has fans that fit that description...except for the ones that write stories about Emppu and Princess...uh...never mind...

Anyway, make sure you have Aeroga before taking on Hades in KH. It'll be a big help.

Blaze wrote on 01.02.2010 at 07:51
Minea said to Blaze:

"Yes, Kingdom Hearts 1. I have KH2, too. They are wonderful games, I must say. :) I just closed the Keyhole in Hollow Bastion and now I'm heading to the Hades Cup to level up Sora, Donald and Goofy. "
_______________________________
You know guys ... and you complain that I am posting something from Princess blog?

So, Kingdom heart game is NOT off-topic, but Princess blog is...
OK, then I can tell you something about knitting next time.That is MY hobby.

mermaid wrote on 01.02.2010 at 10:00
laura palmer,

you are welcome.. and what did make up your day - the book, or the CD which is not going to be released?

mermaid wrote on 01.02.2010 at 10:02
I still wonder about this book...What will it be about?Cooking recipes?...Style book(LOL)?...
Singing techniques (bigger LOL) maybe?...

One of the people in her blog asked her whether it will be an autobiography...
Honestly...WTF?

I can imagine how an autobiography by her will be...About 20 chapters of how she tried all those years to become famous,how evil people were trying to change her(people like music teachers,music companies...) and of course,how all these narrow-minded metalheads stopped her from becoming famous because they 1) don't accept females in rock/metal(yeah,that's why they all now love Floor,Tarja and Angela) and 2)don't accept pop singers in metal(wow,what douchebags...)
And maybe one chapter about Nightwish.

Something like her official biography.

Legeon wrote on 01.02.2010 at 10:30
Legeon,

there will be also chapters on how TIRED she is, how ILL she is, how terrible NIGHTMARES she had

and SHOPPING!

She asked her fans for helping her with the book, remember? So, I do not think is will be an autobiography..

mermaid wrote on 01.02.2010 at 10:59
@mermaid

Really?What kind of help did she ask?

Can't this woman so something BY HERSELF?
She needs a personal assistant(to take photos of her backstage,obviously),she has a personal life coach(???),a personal trainer,a personal make-up artist,a personal manager(and this was figured out too.Remember when we used to ask ourselves what she needed a manager for?Well,we didn't know her plans about all those duets and solo performances...), two composers to write songs for her solo album...
And now she needs her fans' help???

Legeon wrote on 01.02.2010 at 12:32
@ mermaid

"So, Kingdom heart game is NOT off-topic, but Princess blog is..."

I have not said anything about it being off-topic.

@ Blaze

It's my fourth time I'm playing Kingdom Hearts 1. I think I have played KH2 at least five times. Not sure about that. :P

Are you familiar with Final Fantasy games? They are worth playing, too. ^^ Good music, beautiful worlds and stories.

Anyways, greetings from snowy Finland! :D

----------

Np. Final Fantasy XIII - The Archylte Steppe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y6wJMM1Ek

Minea wrote on 01.02.2010 at 15:16
Legeon said:

"two composers to write songs for her solo album... "
__________________
well, I think it was THREE composers, Anders Bagge and two guys: Johan and Stefan. I checked that on her blog.

But honestly, how do you expect her to do the WHOLE book by herself only? Off course she asked her fans for a help..

mermaid wrote on 01.02.2010 at 15:22
What made you think that she would actually release a book even if she writes one? I think there are a lot of people writing just for fun. Like me. And I am not thinking of ever releasing it.

This Amaranth release is non-sense. I would like to see a live DVD instead.

X wrote on 01.02.2010 at 15:29
Johan Glössner and Stefan Örn.

:-))

mermaid wrote on 01.02.2010 at 15:45
@mermaid

Thank you,i didn't exactly remember the number.

So far,we have:
1 manager
1 personal trainer
1 life coach
1 personal assistant
3 composers

Total:7 persons for doing for her...Nothing she can't do by herself.

I know working mothers that have a job that requires from them to work 8-10 hours a day,they have kids to raise,a house to keep,a husband(since finding a man that does his own laundry and cooks for himself is vary rare-and i thank God that i have found one that he doesn't need his mother or a wife to take care of him),they go shopping,they go to the gym,they go out with their friends...

And they do all that...But themselves!

Now,i may be too narrow-minded,but i would really like to know how a person that doesn't have a regular job,doesn't need to be anywhere else all day,and they only obligation she has is to pick her son from school,needs all these people.

Legeon wrote on 01.02.2010 at 15:56
X,

she certainly did also the CD only for fun, with no intention to release it...

This is what I do quite often, actually,

- I hire three composers, I pay them nice wagies, off course, because they are not CHEAP - they have cooperated with Madonna, Celine Dione and such, after all

we spend one month by doing a CD and then

I just keep it for myself, for fun, as you say.

LOL.

That is completely normal thing to do. I have about 6 such CDs at home. We listen to them when party.

Next month I plan to hire guys who were cooperating with Justin Timberlake and do another CD. I like the Timbaland style lately.

mermaid wrote on 01.02.2010 at 15:58
@ X

"I would like to see a live DVD instead."

Me too but that's not going to happen until the next tour is over, I think. I hope the band's dream will come true, that they would play live with London Philharmonic Orchestra. :)

Ooh, I would do almost anything to see that!

Minea wrote on 01.02.2010 at 16:41
Btw, Finnish Choir Battle starts this Sunday! :)

http://www.nelonen.fi/ohjelmat/kuorosota/marco

Minea wrote on 01.02.2010 at 17:09
OH NO!!! DOUBLE POST!!! When I hit "Send" on the first one my browser crashed, so I tried again. I'm so ashamed.

*facepalms and weeps*

Blaze wrote on 01.02.2010 at 17:58
@mermaid

We're just ribbing you, dear. Don't take it seriously. Do whatever you want here. :)

Blaze wrote on 01.02.2010 at 18:01
@ Blaze

"OH NO!!! DOUBLE POST!!! When I hit "Send" on the first one my browser crashed, so I tried again. I'm so ashamed.

*facepalms and weeps*"

Aww, you don't need to do that. Shit happens, y'know. ;D

Minea wrote on 01.02.2010 at 20:48
We saw again that it's impossible to please Anette's dislikers. When they first heard she is going to make a solo album they started to shout "she is doing it only for money!". And now that we now she is doing it just for fun they shout "yeah, sure, we all could hire three expensive composers and make an album just for fun!".

Quite interesting.

Well, the best way to deal with these hardcore-whiners is to ignore them. ^^

I'm very interested to hear what kind of music these three composers have composed for Anette's lyrics. If we don't ever hear the results, it's not that big problem. She does what she wants and it's ok for me. :)

I guess fans forgive their idols easier that those who don't like them at all but make up their own "truths". :D

Joda wrote on 01.02.2010 at 21:01
@ Joda

"We saw again that it's impossible to please Anette's dislikers."

Nah, that hasn't been news for a loong time, Joda. Besides, nobody has to please them. :P

Minea wrote on 01.02.2010 at 21:59
@ Minea

"Np. Final Fantasy XIII - The Archylte Steppe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Y6wJMM1Ek"

That was beautiful! O_O I searched other videos SilvaGunner had uploaded and found even better song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk6e8al-mHQ

That was simply EPIC! ^__^

Joda wrote on 01.02.2010 at 22:15
We saw again that it's impossible to make Anette's hardcore fanatics ever question anything she does, however blatantly retarded it may be. Like, have her fans help her with writing her book - and then what? Cash all the profit in for herself, while the "ghostwriters" get nothing? LOL. I can already see that coming. Oh well, it's not as if her blind admirers deserved any better. Teenagers are so fucked up nowadays.

And ... lolwut? First she aggressively promotes her new album and takes care to make her fans almost forget that little band that propelled her into stardom, now the puss runs off with her tail between her legs? The bitch should grow (the female equivalent of) balls, a brain, a backbone, a heart, work ethics and a basic sense of decency (she makes herself look far uglier than she would even have to). She's so fake and whiny, she makes Paris Hilton appear like Sabina Classen. I bet she played "My Little Phony" when she was little and invented emo. She's so dumb, she makes George W. Bush and Forrest Gump facepalm in tandem on a daily basis.

A court jester's antics are boring as dust in comparison. But Tuomas, Marco, Jukka and Emppu deserve every fibre of her; it seems that with her solo disc canned, she plans to stay with the band to boldly go where no metal band has gone before and run from new low to low. Never forget, it's always possible to beat a low level, and that's the only thing that Anette is a master at.

Oh, and back on topic, poor Tuomas and Jukka are always pressured by Nuclear Blast to do stupid commercial crap they hate and have accused other people for doing. And Blast always gets the whole profit. ROTFL. Cry me a freaking river with a sausage raft to float home on.

Almagest wrote on 01.02.2010 at 22:19
Btw, Finnish Choir Battle starts this Sunday! :)

http://www.nelonen.fi/ohjelmat/kuorosota/marco

Minea wrote on 01.02.2010 at 17:09

Just curious, what's that?
I tried to read it myself, but my Finnish isn't good enough for it (yet!)

Dana wrote on 01.02.2010 at 23:58
"About the solo: I am still thinking whether or not to release it"

WTF, first she is so excited her solo album and now she does not release it:)
That woman is just a big joke.

@Almagest
You were right Tarja sings Scorpions new album:)

Deco wrote on 02.02.2010 at 00:29
I see Almagest had a boring day and he had to let some steam out. :D

Ah well, we can't all be heros.

Minea wrote on 02.02.2010 at 00:34
@ X:
"What made you think that she would actually release a book even if she writes one?"

You mean aside from common sense?

I was always under the impression that when people wrote *books* they published them as... you know... Books. Granted that they could get someone to publish it, of course.

@ Joda:
"We saw again that it's impossible to please Anette's dislikers. When they first heard she is going to make a solo album they started to shout "she is doing it only for money!". And now that we now she is doing it just for fun they shout "yeah, sure, we all could hire three expensive composers and make an album just for fun!"."

Oh, come off it now. They're just looking out for the well being of Anette's fans. Imagine how many people are going to be disappointed because Anette promised them this treasure and then decided that she wasn't going to release it after all. Just think about it. She caused many people to worry when she announced her solo album, spent all of that time defending and promoting it, hired three people to help her write and produce it, spent money for the studio time, recorded everything, and after all of that trouble she is NOW deciding whether she wants to release it or not?

Usually these decisions are made... I don't know... BEFORE all of that time and money is wasted. And you're wondering why people are irked about this? Come on, I know you're smarter than this...

------------------------

On a more relevant note: The fact that this new release isn't even featured in the news section of Nightwish's official site probably says a lot about it. It's useless in my opinion, though I'm sure there are people out there who would love it and buy it so it can't be a complete and total waste. Just another thing to make money while the band is on break.

Tainted~ wrote on 02.02.2010 at 02:13
This news are so stupid that I wont bother commenting on them, there are cooler news:

It's confirmed!! TARJA'S COLLABORATION IS WITH THE BAND SCORPIONS!!!
The tittle of the song is "The Good Die Young", and the teaser sounds great... XD

Who? wrote on 02.02.2010 at 03:02
hoping its' not just back vocals..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA9pbc7P1tM

interview extract about new Scorpions album :

"The Gauntlet: Are there any guest vocalists like in the past?

Rudolf: Yes. One woman named Tarja [Turunen]. She is the old woman from a band called Nightwish. She is on the song "The Good Die Young".

The Gauntlet: I don't think she is an old woman though.

Rudolf: What! [laughs] No a young woman. I meant she was the old or last singer from the band [laughs]. Sorry. I should say former singer!"

well, maybe not such a good thing, dunno...

:) wrote on 02.02.2010 at 04:57
Now it's clear for me that Anette is a very instable person, with lots of problems... she has a pathological need of attention/affection, and she uses her special status to gain some. Well, I don't want to be sorry for her, but usually people who have that kind of psychological profiles can't be happy in life, they can't really connect with people. Shallow persons can behave this way, just like those that suffered love deficiency in their childwood, and there are billions on Earth.

zed wrote on 02.02.2010 at 05:38
Blaze,

funny thing, but I do not recall myself asking you for permission ... you do not own this place, do you?

Minea,

the only heroine here is you. Still living in that fancy world of Final Fantasy?
Well, Almagest is an adult man already. Not an action figure.
One day you will grow up enough to catch the difference between fantasy world and the real one.
Maybe.

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 10:09
My dog - a shi-tzu - actually thinks about recording a CD, too. Not to RELEASE it, off course, just for FUN.

Few months ago he has adopted 3 puppies in Haiti, BTW and I should say I am so proud of him! He pays them 66 Euros monthly to support them.

He also came with an idea that his toys are way too many and suggested to rent an outside storage unit for them. So we pay monthly 150 Euros for an external storage... but he was SO right - there is much more space on the floor!

You must admit that my dog is very empathic, sophisticated and beautiful (photos are in Hot pets available).
He truly likes to help people as well as far as he has a good heart.

This is why I am thinking about hiring him some nice team of composers and producers to help him with the CD.
Well, it could cost maybe more then 100.000 Euros ... but what would you not do to see your only pet healthy and happy?

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 10:41
:) wrote:

" She is the old woman from a band called Nightwish."
____________________
Now image how would he describe their new singer...

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 11:01
And no, Legeon,

I know you already, so I know what would you ask. No, my dog does not have:

1 manager
1 personal trainer
1 life coach
1 personal assistant

though, he maybe will have 3 composers - you do not expect my little dog to manage all these things on his own, do you?
______________________________

Who?,

yes, Tarja did the background vocals on one Scorpions´ song.

Well.... and?

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 12:19
Its not a very interesting release...kind of boring. Ahhh this music labels...money, money and more money.

Blaze and Minea,

You are right, Kingdom hearts is a greaaaaaat game, I am currently playing it for the 3rd time. Guess its the 3 of us who don't live in reality XD

gaby wrote on 02.02.2010 at 13:08
Just the background vocals? I thought it was a duet or something...
No big deal... if it's just background vocals...

nemesis wrote on 02.02.2010 at 13:13
Gaby,

it depends on what fascinating theory you will come up with..

and THIS IS DEDICATED to all Princess´FANS who were so looking forward to Princess´CD..

and now they are dissapointed.

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85mRPqvMbE&feature=fvst

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 13:23
Gaby said:

"Ahhh this music labels...money, money and more money. "
_________________________
and you think that Maestro will not get money, money and more money out of this?

LOL.

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 13:25
Mermaid

Yeah, im not stupid, of course Tuomas is getting money from this, since he is the songwriter, but its a small portion, nothing compared to what a record company gets from sales.

Don't worry about the fascinating theories, I leave that to you and the people who post 10,000 comments a day, you do come with some amazing stuff.

gaby wrote on 02.02.2010 at 14:31
Gaby said:

"Don't worry about the fascinating theories"
__________________
... you missunderstood me, Gaby.

I am NOT WORRIED. I am looking forward to them.
:-P

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 14:38
you can't blame her that she has ambition to spend all money she earned in two years.

Isabell wrote on 02.02.2010 at 15:50
Ok Mermaid, please do feel free to make fun of me, with my theories, or opinions.

I respect Tuomas as a songwriter. I don't care if he is nice or not, if he offended Tarja or not, if he gets money or not, where he lives, what he eats, who he likes, what he says, if you call him Maestro or Tuomass, or the oceansoul, or any other ridiculous names. I dont care. My theory is, I dont care about people that I dont know, dont want to meet, and probable will never meet. I care about Music, and he has written good music.

Same theory applies to Tarja and Anette. I dont care if Anette is fat, and Tarja is a greedy diva. And if they are not...good for them! I like both voices, because my theory says that both classical trained voices, and popular voices can sound good. And Anette has a good voice in my opinion. Really dont care about people who dont like Anette. I dont know her, she is not my friend, and I doubt she will become one. Also, I hate her blog, read it once, found it boring, never will read it again.

I dont care about the infamous letter, because I never read it. Maybe one day I will, but I am not really interested in knowing why was Tarja fired. Its their problem. My theory: Singers get fired, as well as guitar players, bass players, etc. I dont care if it was elegant or not how they did it. It was a very long time ago, and Tarja didn't come crying to me. So I dont care.

So yes, my theory is: I only care about the people I know. Nightwish is just one band, in a world filled with thousands of bands.

Yes, call me stupid and ignorant for liking Anette, say I am deaf, That I dont know anything about music, call me a blind tuomas fan girl, say I have no taste, adore princess, probably have a very low IQ, live in my small fantasy world, have to wake up and see the truth, and that you are the only one who knows it. If it amuses you to insult me, or say my opinion is bullshit I DONT CARE. And if the only thing you want to do here is insult "Princess" and "Maestro" then have fun and enjoy it.

gaby wrote on 02.02.2010 at 16:03
Gaby,

why do you think I care? I do not need to write one kilometer long explanation on that topic...

I just do not. :-P

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 16:16
... actually, Gaby, now when I am thinking about that -
I do not remember myself to ask you for permission.

but anyway, thanks. :-))

Not that I CARE. :-P

mermaid wrote on 02.02.2010 at 16:19
@ gaby

"You are right, Kingdom hearts is a greaaaaaat game, I am currently playing it for the 3rd time. Guess its the 3 of us who don't live in reality XD"

Yep yep, it's sweet how Square Enix managed to bring the Disney worlds and characters to the game. :)

I'm looking forward to Final Fantasy Versus XIII game since it has the same director and the same composer as in Kingdom Hearts games.

@ mermaid

"Minea,

the only heroine here is you. Still living in that fancy world of Final Fantasy?
Well, Almagest is an adult man already. Not an action figure.
One day you will grow up enough to catch the difference between fantasy world and the real one.
Maybe."

It depends what you mean by living in the world of Final Fantasy. When I play a FF games, of course I step in the world of it. It's part of gaming, to experience what the characters expereince. To feel what the characters feel. It's like watching movie but you decide what's going to happen next.

It also depends which world of Final Fantasies you mean. Is it Final Fantasy VII (The Planet)? Or Final Fantasy X (Spira)? Or Final Fantasy XII (Ivalice)? Or upcoming Final Fantasy XIII (Pulse)? ;D

Btw, do you know anything about those games or do you just assume something fancy?

@ Joda

Oh, I like the battle theme too. It's way better than in previous Final Fantasies. I also love Snow's Theme, it's very rocking and different from other songs of the game. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tXtDMdhhIY

@ Dana

"Just curious, what's that?
I tried to read it myself, but my Finnish isn't good enough for it (yet!)"

It's a tv programme where some Finnish singers gather a choir from their hometowns and then they train the choirs to sing one or two songs. Every week the people who watch the programme and vote for the worst performance and the choir who gets most of the votes will be eliminated.

Last year one choir performed Amaranth. The leader of the choir, Marion Rung, is a big Nightwish fan. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpN7XsgxdUo

The winner in last year was Timo Kotipelto.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFa1o7QiMo8

Minea wrote on 02.02.2010 at 16:21
@gaby

You have misunderstood some things.

People like us,that don't like Anette and Tuomas for certain reasons,DON'T think that if you like Anette you are deaf.
Or stupid.

At least you acknowledge that you don't care about their personalities and their lives,but only about music.

What we don't like,is when people start to attack us with their blindfolded double standards that only defend their precious singer.Which means,that no matter how badly she shows what she is,they will NEVER accept it.Plus,they call us "retards" when we try to explain.

But who said that we jump on every person that likes their music?Besides,i was a fanatic NW fan myself for many years-but the fact that i let my personal opinion for them ruin it for me,doesn't make me blatantly attack all their fans.
Only the ones that still insist on defending Anette with lines like "you can't compare them" but in the same comment,they also say "she has a more warm voice than Tarja".LOL.

Legeon wrote on 02.02.2010 at 17:05
I dont know what you mean, if you dont care about the "fascinating theories" then dont write, "I'm looking FORWARD to hear them"

And if you dont care about this band...

And I dont recall any place where I tell you, you should ask for my permisson.

gaby wrote on 02.02.2010 at 18:53
Legeon wrote on 02.02.2010 at 17:05
"Plus,they call us "retards" when we try to explain. "

Yep, that's the key. You try, but you fail miserably, every time.
When a person cannot defend his/her own point, in a discussion, yet he/she insist, to talk about it, over and over again, eventually it's starting to look ridiculous, and stupid. Therefore the "retards" label.

"Besides,i was a fanatic NW fan myself for many years"

Phahahahahahaha...ha...ha...ha...ha XD
That's a good one, I admit. A bit of humor, is always refreshing, in such serious conversation.

There is a proverb, and it goes like this:
" With friends like this, I don't need enemies" ,
which in the NW's case, can be translated to:
"With fans like this, we don't need haters"

So long. ;-)

DeadAndGone wrote on 02.02.2010 at 18:54
zed wrote: Now it's clear for me that Anette is a very instable person, with lots of problems... she has a pathological need of attention/affection, and she uses her special status to gain some. Well, I don't want to be sorry for her, but usually people who have that kind of psychological profiles can't be happy in life, they can't really connect with people. Shallow persons can behave this way, just like those that suffered love deficiency in their childwood, and there are billions on Earth.

-----------------------------------------
congrats for your diploma in psychology!! I'm sure that your theory is developed with many interviews, books'study....

AND just to be clear: I'm not a big fan of Anette!

zanzan wrote on 02.02.2010 at 21:05
sorry zanzan, no diploma nor theory needed, those are just basic deductions made from basic facts...it's all basic stuff for dummies...

zed wrote on 02.02.2010 at 22:46
I must say it's very entertaining to read any kind of comments about Anette. But, surprisingly, especially those "humor posts". And what makes it funny? Let's call it "malignancy", I don't have better word to describe it. Many fans make fun of the band members too, but it's usually benevolent. Same goes with fans of other bands and singers.

Every single singer and band has their fans and haters. The more famous band or singer, the more fans and haters. If the singer or the band is less known, they naturally have less haters. Usually they don't have many haters, maybe even zero. Who knows? Some famous singers and bands might have more haters than fans.

Remember Spice Girls and how much we heard from people that they don't like them at all? Still they had a lot of fans and they were very popular. I must admit I was their fan too, about a year. I think I was 7 or 8 years old. Ah well, my music taste has made some progress during these 12-13 years. :D

Anyways, I think it's only good that people have different opinions. What I don't always understand why some of them have to express them in a ridiculous way. To provoke? To make readers mad? To simply have fun with other peoples reactions? Or all of those reasons plus something else?

Those kind of people are beyond my comprehension. Maybe I just haven't experienced the cool feeling after sending a provoking message to duscussion board and reading the answers. Not that I would be interested.

Minea wrote on 02.02.2010 at 22:57
Apparently Tuomas has 9 songs ready right now. I recall he has said that winter mornings are the best time for him to write songs. I have understood that Finland has had quite cold mornings during this winter (I heard something about -25 degrees) so that could mean we are going to get cool songs to listen to. :)

Let's keep our thumbs up!

Andre wrote on 02.02.2010 at 23:26
mermaid:

So you've heard the entire version of the song? wow, I'm surprised since no one here got acces to the complete version of "The Good Die Young"... wait... are you going to tell me that you've only heard 44 seconds of the recording and you still claim to know how should be labeled Tarja's collaboration? hilarious I have to say.
You have no idea about how will be the final result, so you can't know if she made a duet or backing vocals.

Who? wrote on 03.02.2010 at 01:34
according Tarja's words, it should be a duet, fortunately...

"A song that you might hear pretty soon? it?s not for my album though, but a duet for one very famous and beloved band. Just to give you a clue?"

:)

:) wrote on 03.02.2010 at 04:05
...and don't forget Tero's wise words/motto : "your walls are useless"....

:) wrote on 03.02.2010 at 05:15
To go off topic for a second, this is the clip to which I believe Mermaid was referring...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA9pbc7P1tM

Derbygirl84 wrote on 03.02.2010 at 07:17
@DeadAndGone

"You try, but you fail miserably, every time. "

No honey,i have proved all the things i've said.With titles,examples and lyrics.

Your only argument against this was: everybody does it.

"That's a good one, I admit. A bit of humor, is always refreshing, in such serious conversation."

I couldn't care less if you believe me or not.I was a fan for 8 years,i attended 3 gigs(two with Tarja,one with Anette),i have bought all cds and dvds,including limited editions,and there was a time that i heard nothing but NW.

There are REASONS(ever heard of this word?) that i stopped liking them.
One of them is growing up and hearing something more.When you hear other bands,and especially other more original symphonic metal band,you clearly get how fake they are.

Not that you would understand anyway.

Legeon wrote on 03.02.2010 at 07:36
Bah, what a ridiculous release.

Mermaid:
I bet Princess is saying she isn't sure about releasing her solo album just because the record company didn't like it..LOL. Or maybe she is saving it to release when her contract with NW is over, and not renewed. xD

Almagest, nice post!

Moonchild wrote on 03.02.2010 at 08:11
Gaby,

fascinating teories are FUNNY. But why should I CARE? I care for much more important things - my job, my dog, my hobbies, the social work I do, people around me... The real world.

This is just a place with little gossips about band nobody around me have heard of .. so, in which way this could possibly be in any way related to my life?

Some people use to have a look in newspappers to see the girl who is showing her tits there while having the morning cofee.

I use to have a look what funny this band did while having my coffee - that is the same.

A bit of fun goes well with coffee.

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 09:56
Moonchild said:

"I bet Princess is saying she isn't sure about releasing her solo album just because the record company didn't like it..LOL."
___________________________
that is obvious, Moonchild. :-))

We (in forum) do have a bet that after she would fail to release it completely
she will say that she DECIDED not to released it because it will INTERFERE with NW.

But she obviously can not say that NOW - because with WHAT could it intefere NOW? NW is doing nothing.

- and remember (!) how she was explaining that this CD will NOT interfere with NW in any way ...

(you could see even here: NW singer deffends her decision to release a CD... with 648 comments!)

so I think she is just buying her a time now.

But I see that CD and that book to be released in the same day. Like - never.

What really is a pity, :-((

because both things could be just a major FAN.

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 10:07
Who?

do not be silly, I did talk about that in Tarja´s topic yesterday already.

Almagest,

good to see such a passionate feedback. Though, a little unusual for you.
:-))

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 10:11
Andre said:

"Apparently Tuomas has 9 songs ready right now. "
_____________________________
A year ago he had two songs done, so that means that his production capacity is one song per two months.

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 10:53
@mermaid

This band is about edges:

Tuomas takes about 4 years to fully write and complete an album-but he RELEASES it at some point.
Anette takes about 7 days to fully write and complete an album-which she doesn't release!

But i think that no company wanted to release it,that's why it won't be released.
And i believe,that when she was talking about paths and a decision she made,she was talking about choosing not to release her album from paying it all by herself(artists do that when no company wants to release their album).

Ok,she maybe has many fans,but she doesn't have THAT many fans(no matter how badly they want to show that she is the most famous singer alive) and it won't be profitable to release an album that only few thousands(at best) of people will buy.

Legeon wrote on 03.02.2010 at 12:02
well, Legeon,

what if her fans will invest into her CD?

It would be so nice from them... and as far as she IS the best singer in the world
it will take no risk at all.

:-))

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 12:52
@mermaid

I don't think that her fans will be able to spend their pocket-money their parents give them on her album.They will then have to explain where all the money went,and their parents won't be so happy to know that.

Legeon wrote on 03.02.2010 at 13:26
It is kind of unffair that Tarja´s fans could listen to snipet of her collaboration with Scorpions

and Princess´fans can not listen to anything...

So, for all of you - this is a snipet of one song of Princess solo CD - and you can also see her!
Enjoy!

http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=1054&u=14348852

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 13:28
@mermaid

Oh come on,leave cats alone...Cats are very graceful and elegant animals-have you ever seen a cat walking through a shelf full of decoration pieces?That's what i call grace!

Please don't insult these lovely animals.Besides,my cat sounds awesome when he's mewing-and he doesn't over-vocalizes it :P

Legeon wrote on 03.02.2010 at 13:36
Legeon,

do not jump to conclussions so fast.
What if Paris Hilton is her fan, too? She has, after all, worn the same crown like Princess ... maybe they share things - as girls do.

I bet that Paris would need to explain her parents nothing... and she can easily finance Princess CD.

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 13:45
@Legeon, about Nw music, do you still like some songs/albums or think it's all fake at the end !? I personnally think there's always been a big fake side in their music, but it's sometimes blended with something more genuine and valuable you can't really find in other bands...imo.

zed wrote on 03.02.2010 at 14:40
There is Amaranth review:

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=263906

Deco wrote on 03.02.2010 at 16:32
Deco,

thanks for review - there are many negative reviews on NW lately, but NW fans are all surprised when we talk about them...

They maybe truly believe that NW DPP tour was a "great sucess"... :-P
________________________________________

Legeon,

why do not you post his pictures in Hot pets then? And BTW, I floaded the Silver Waters with cats, have you seen that?

"my cat sounds awesome when he's mewing-and he doesn't over-vocalizes it :P"

Then you are lucky. The cats of our village come to date on my terasa and they do overvocalized it often.

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 16:48
Legeon,

and what about that striking lyrics..? I guess I was really close to a real Princess song, do not you think so? :-P

mermaid wrote on 03.02.2010 at 16:49
@zed

I admit that i still like most of their earlier songs.They are more...simple(in a way that they aren't loaded with these tons of polished symphonic parts) and more naive.More true.

Not because Tarja sings them,it's because they are more "genuine" Nigthwish.The early sound is pure Nightwish.

And i mean Angels Fall First,Oceanborn,and some from Wishmaster.
And of course,my all-time favorite,10th Man Down.

BUT,as i said,i have let my feelings and what i believe for them to affect my taste.Which means that,after all these things that i know and that i have realized about them,i can't listen to their music anymore.This band used a be a HUGE part of my life,and i lived every song and every verse for many years.
Realizing now that all these years they were pretending,and that all those feelings described in these songs are fake,repels me.

Legeon wrote on 03.02.2010 at 17:30
Deco there is even more nice reviews.:)

Isabell wrote on 03.02.2010 at 17:42
@ mermaid

"A year ago he had two songs done, so that means that his production capacity is one song per two months."

He was on tour a year ago, as you know. You should also know that he does not compose much during tours but focuses on it when he doesn not have to worry about when the next plane leaves.

@ Minea and Joda

You have posted very interested songs here. What is this Final Fantasy about?

Andre wrote on 03.02.2010 at 21:17
@Legeon, 10th Man Down sounds more like uninspired stuff to me, ???, a matter of tastes I guess... so, to sum up you've been disillusioned about what they have become on a personal and artistic level......
I've read few of them, but Tuomas' lyrics seem immature and confused stuff, but anyway I don't care lyrics in general. On the other hand, I think Tuomas is really skilled to present his music in a catchy (and cashable) way, I don't know if it's fakeness or what but when inspiration has gone, I guess we can actually call it fakeness and mainstream symphonic crap. Still the beginnings were a blast, I agree, From Wishes to Eternity remains a breathless performance to me, AFF and Oceanborn very special albums, with a bunch of later songs..... strangely, what stroke me first about Nw wasn't their music, but the fact they had no ugly faces unlike many others in the metal scene I was used to, since then fortunately I've discovered they weren't just an exception.

zed wrote on 04.02.2010 at 00:11
Legeone, Zed,

"The early sound is pure Nightwish. "
_______________________
it still IS Nightwish. It is not their fault that you idealized them in your eyes.

Look at the Princess blog and see what Princess´fans write there - they obviously are in love NOT with real Princess,
but with some IDEALIZED IMAGE of her.

You did the same - just sooner. :-))
Which is completely understandable and happenes often.

As for their CDs - the last one was really funny.... Maestro´s HEART stopped beating in the FIRST song!
When I heard that, I expected that in second song his liver would fail, in the third song lungs and in fourth kidneys ...

But instead that we had BYE, BYE .. and Cadence of her LAST breath.

I really hope it was Tarja´s last breath, after all, why not to kill "beautifull" and stop her suffering?

Can not wait for another album.
And when we talk about 1,5 year we still need to wait,

Andre

the fact that "he does not have to worry about when the next plane leaves." obviously does not effect Maestro´s productivity at all.

So, to sum it up, I am looking forward to hear the crackle of Maestro´s calcified arteries... on new album.
:-P

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 10:07
@ mermaid

"I really hope it was Tarja´s last breath, after all, why not to kill "beautifull" and stop her suffering?"

Someone here already corrected that Cadence of Her Last Breathe is about running away, not killing anyone. Or is it that easy to forget about corrections and live in your homemade fantasies?

And, BBB was bittersweet goodbyes. The song was originally a ballad but was changed to a bit harder song because of Marco's aggressive singing style.

What's funny is that when Nightwish had stopped perfoming BBB and thus living in the past, Tarja continued perfoming Enough. x)

Andre wrote on 04.02.2010 at 11:58
@ mermaid

"the fact that "he does not have to worry about when the next plane leaves." obviously does not effect Maestro´s productivity at all."

Obviously you don't bother to read Tuomas' interviews. He has said many times that it's easier to compose when the tour is over and he can be a composer full-time. Not just in noisy tourbus or backstages. Or while sitting in the hotel room, tired and stressed and bored. A little bit imagination is useful. Or maybe I'm just more empathic that you are -> it's easier for me to imagine what other person must feel in certain situations. Who knows.

Andre wrote on 04.02.2010 at 12:02
@Andre

They maybe stopped playing BBB,but they didn't stop talking about her.So,why would she stop?

Besides,NW released BBB in 2007,but Tarja released Enough waaaay later.So,it's not weird that she didn't stop singing it;she had just released it.

"Someone here already corrected that Cadence of Her Last Breathe is about running away, not killing anyone. Or is it that easy to forget about corrections and live in your homemade fantasies? "

No honey,it's easier for you to just accuse someone just because you don't agree.
I have been coming here for almost a year and i never saw this.Besides,you can't accuse someone's beliefs if this person hasn't seen the explanation.

Legeon wrote on 04.02.2010 at 13:59
Andre said:

"Someone here already corrected that Cadence of Her Last Breathe is about running away, not killing anyone. "
__________________________
well, even if Maestro himself came here to explain that, Andre,

I listened to that CD first time in year 2007. If I would know in 2007 that in 2009 Maestro would come and explain me how should I understand the lyrics,
I would understood it differently.

Unfortunately I did not see the future. You do?

Legeon,

I mentioned here once the LAST breath issue and explained to "somebody" that LAST BREATH means the one before a person dies.

And that "somebody" answered "well, we do not know for sure whether that person died"

So, this is what is Andre most probably reffering to. But, unfortunately, LAST BREATH is THE LAST breath, the one you take before you die.

So, Andre,

are you going to accept that LAST BREATH is believed to be the very LAST by many nations and cultures for thousands of years (Egypt)

or do you preffer to live in your homemade fantasies?

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/draw_one%27s_last_breath

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 14:38
Andre said:

"Or maybe I'm just more empathic that you are -> it's easier for me to imagine what other person must feel in certain situations. "
___________________________
well, I thought that the tour is over and therefore he has time enough to compose...

But as far as he needs like 4 more songs and it is going to last 1,5 year more...

you are basicaly saying that he is now flying by plane DAILY?

I did not know THAT... poor thing.

And you know that or you guessed that with all your empathy?

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 14:42
Andre wrote

"And, BBB was bittersweet goodbyes. The song was originally a ballad but was changed to a bit harder song because of Marco's aggressive singing style."

BBB was originally ballad, really?
Why not Tuomas sing it? :)

"What's funny is that when Nightwish had stopped perfoming BBB and thus living in the past, Tarja continued perfoming Enough. x)"

BBB video it still exists (youtube etc.) and so what if Tarja continued performing Enough?
Tarja has never said that it tells Tuomas or NW, newer, and Tarja has never spoken bad for NW.

Deco wrote on 04.02.2010 at 14:56
Andre said:

"What's funny is that when Nightwish had stopped perfoming BBB and thus living in the past, Tarja continued perfoming Enough. x)"
__________________________
Well, I do not care what is she doing, to be honest.

But NW stopped to perform many songs (basically all of them)
due to the fact that they are not on tour anymore. Did you know that?

Though, I do not know whether this means that they "stopped living in the past"..

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 15:04
Deco:

"Why not Tuomas sing it? :) "
have you heard him singing live?

LOL. That would be a killer, indeed.

Why do not come to join us in SW (forum)?

Actually, why do you think that Enough is somehow related to NW?

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 15:18
though, now when I am thinking about it, this IS a very good description of Maestro:

"Ego selfish Prima Donna
Dancing in your poisoned cage
Thinking that your conscience's clearer
If you drink your dreams away

Feed your anger to the devil
In your self built wishing well
Take a swim in muddy waters
All the dirt will leave a trail"

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 16:10
@mermaid

It seems that,half year of Tarja's singing Enough EXTRA of Nigthwish stopping playing BBB is a bit too much of "revenge" for 4 years of badmouthing.

That bitch is so mean.She should stop her unjustified vengeance right now!How dare she singing a song about a person that has been accusing and denigrating her for years!And especially since they stopped playing BBB!Dear Lord!

Now for something funny:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_93IuP2jawcc/S2qYEGhF14I/AAAAAAAACAM/DQjZpZSugBw/s1600-h/201001282291.jpg

Dear Mother of Jesus!

Welcome to the freak show...This smile is sooooooo "evil witch"...

Legeon wrote on 04.02.2010 at 17:08
Legeon,

COME TO SILVER WATERS, finally!

We are having a cure discussions about Princess there..

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 17:22
actually, I miss there any reference to Maestro´s white chest of wonders, so maybe it is not him...

after all. Hm.

mermaid wrote on 04.02.2010 at 17:24
Oh yes, Enough is dedicated to Maestro. I bet Tarja loves him very much, and he loves her too. I think they miss each other, all those moments of love and steamy sex while Marcelo wasn't around.
Life is a bitch...

XYZ wrote on 04.02.2010 at 21:53
@ Andre

"You have posted very interested songs here. What is this Final Fantasy about?"

It's very popular J-RPG series. J-RPG means "Japanese role-playing game". :)

And about upcoming FFXIII, well, this synopsis tells everything:

"Cocoon ? a utopia in the sky.

Its inhabitants believed their world a paradise.
Under the Sanctum's rule, Cocoon had long known peace and prosperity.

Nurtured by their benevolent protectors, the fal?Cie, humankind came to believe that these tranquil days would continue forever.

But the discovery of a single hostile fal?Cie changed everything.

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Minea wrote on 05.02.2010 at 16:08
@ Deco

"BBB video it still exists (youtube etc.) and so what if Tarja continued performing Enough?
Tarja has never said that it tells Tuomas or NW, newer, and Tarja has never spoken bad for NW."

What dies BBB's music video have to do with perfoming the song live?

Nope, Tarja never has said Enough tells about Nw times but people have brains and their interpretations.

@ mermaid

"But NW stopped to perform many songs (basically all of them)
due to the fact that they are not on tour anymore. Did you know that?"

Let me highlight some key words in Andre's post. Apparently you did'nt read it carefully.
'What's funny is that WHEN Nightwish HAD STOPPED perfoming BBB and thus living in the past, Tarja CONTINUED perfoming Enough. x)'

See? The message of his post changed a bit. ;)

@ Legeon

Oh, how dramatic!

Minea wrote on 05.02.2010 at 16:21
Minea said:

"See? The message of his post changed a bit. ;) "
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Yes I see. When you highlighted those words

it actually caused NW to start a new tour tomorow.

Cool!

mermaid wrote on 05.02.2010 at 17:45
@legeon: I totally agree. Blaming Tarja for releasing Enough on a special edition of MWS and still playing it live - considering NW published the letter, released BBB not only as a song on the album (not to forget about MPG, by the way) but also as a single and played it live for more than a year - is incredibly pointless. But I see that just the fact that after all that time they stopped playing it in their show makes up for everything else for their fans present here, and therefore it's silly and mean of Tarja to continue playing Enough. But no double standards!

Earwen wrote on 05.02.2010 at 19:36
@ Minea

Thanks a lot for the info! The music that is played in that web page is nice. :)

@ Earwen

My point was quite different compared to what you people have interpreted. See, I remember after arriving MFF and starting reading news I read a lot of post that included argument like "Nw is was still living in the past because they were perfoming BBB. Tarja is not living in the past anymore". I couldn't believe my eyes, that kind of argument in just useless. Mine was a joke. Yes, a JOKE, as could see if you noticed the smiley. ;)

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I heard from a Finnish fan that Dark Passion Play album has sold 150 000 copies in Finland. It crossed the limit on this week. Thus it has sold five times platium. Yay! o/

Apparently it hasn't been told in English news page but in Finnish news page (my Finnish is quite poor but I trust my "comrade"): http://www.nightwish.com/fi/news/

Andre wrote on 05.02.2010 at 21:26
Andre wrote: "My point was quite different compared to what you people have interpreted. See, I remember after arriving MFF and starting reading news I read a lot of post that included argument like "Nw is was still living in the past because they were perfoming BBB. Tarja is not living in the past anymore". I couldn't believe my eyes, that kind of argument in just useless. Mine was a joke. Yes, a JOKE, as could see if you noticed the smiley. ;) "

If you were referring to old comments on other threads, why didn't you write there, or - if you thought nobody was gonna read it - at least pointed that out here? You were the first person who brought that thing up here. We can't read your thoughts and therefore find out what you're referring to if you don't tell us. And even though of course I don't know what comment exactly you're talking about, usually the argument didn't go "Nw is was still living in the past because they were perfoming BBB." It included other reasons, such as comparing Tarja and Anette in interviews, calling Anette "our new singer" after about two years, joking about the letter etc. - but I won't look for them now. It's a thing of the past, at least for the moment.
You, on the other hand, blamed Tarja for keeping on singing "Enough" in her shows for half a year. Singing a song that isn't even as well-known or popular as BBB, and was included in her shows later than BBB in NW's for half a year more makes her "living in the past", after years of silence, and after so much provocation! Honestly, don't you see how pointless that is? Not to mention that the tour is over and you're a bit late to point that out.

But you say it's a joke - then I guess we have a different kind of humor, for I still can't see what's so funny about that comment. And as for the smiley, there are people on the internet who write smileys after almost everything they type, and it can mean everything from "I'm just kidding" to "Now you don't know what to say, right?". You put a smiley after your declaration that it was a joke, too, doesn't mean you want to say it wasn't a joke after all, though. At least I hope so ;) And I believe you weren't completely ironic. Legeon, on the other hand, was (when she wrote to mermaid about this) , so if you say that you agree with her I'll admit I misunderstood you and take everything back! ;).

And I think it's kind of ironic that you are talking about "living in the past" as a bad thing, but at the same time write about some random comments that were written months ago. As you see, we didn't write about "living in the past" on this thread, simply because NW did nothing to provoke such a comment here (oh, well, they have media silence, so of course it's kind of difficult :D).

Oh, I see I didn't comment on the news yet! But I still can't come up with something that's more intelligent than "available as WHAT?!" and "lol" so I guess it's better if I stop now...^^

Earwen wrote on 05.02.2010 at 23:46
Oh, about the five times Platinum: I don't know much about these "awards" (can't come up with the right word now), but if I'm right, in Germany you get "Gold" ("Goldene Schallplatte") when you sell 100.000 copies.
Therefore, I'm a bit surprised. Is it true that in Finland 150.000 sold copies make five times platinum?

Earwen wrote on 05.02.2010 at 23:51
@ Earwen

Yes, it's true. Artist whose album sells 30.000 copies in Finland gets platium. So 150.000 sold copies means five times platium.

Minea wrote on 06.02.2010 at 01:04
What makes this five times platium more funny is that if Nw's next album doesn't sell six times platium, (at least) the Finnish press will claim it is a flop. :'D We all know that many of those people who have bought DPP have done it just because they have been curious about who the heck this Anette is and what does she sound like. Those who are truly interested in the band and their music will buy the next album. Those who did not find anything interesting won't. It's as simple as that. :D

Minea wrote on 06.02.2010 at 12:59
People should know that sales don't count as "how many albums people bought".

They count as "whole sales".Which means,how many copies each store ordered,not how many albums people bought.

Legeon wrote on 06.02.2010 at 16:50
@ Legeon

That doesn't make this less good thing. If stores have to order albums it means that people are buying it. :)

Minea wrote on 06.02.2010 at 22:04
@Minea

Not necessarily.Most of these stores buy big amounts of albums to have stock.That doesn't mean that people buy all of these 150.000 albums.

Legeon wrote on 07.02.2010 at 00:47
Btw, when talking about selling numbers, we had this Popstars tv programme in 2004 and the winner band named INDX "sold" over 34.000 copies which meant platium. In reality they didn't even sell gold. I've heard rumoirs about 500 sold copies but... Well, I don't know if it's true or not. But this is quite funny story anyway. :D

Minea wrote on 07.02.2010 at 00:57
Legeon wrote on 03.02.2010 at 17:30
"BUT,as i said,i have let my feelings and what i believe for them to affect my taste.Which means that,after all these things that i know and that i have realized about them,i can't listen to their music anymore.This band used a be a HUGE part of my life,and i lived every song and every verse for many years.
Realizing now that all these years they were pretending,and that all those feelings described in these songs are fake,repels me. "

For a long time I used to think, fangirls are the most annoying lot. But you actually prove me wrong here - there is one thing, more irksome, and repulsive - the ex-fangirls ! :-P
Especially those who had NW, as a "huge part of their lives" and the evil Tuomas, has hurt their feelings, and sensitive souls.....phahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaahahahaahahahahaahahahahaahahahaahahahaha Holy FuKKK man...!!! He got himself, into some serious trouble. XD
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Legeon wrote on 03.02.2010 at 17:30
"When you hear other bands,and especially other more original symphonic metal band,you clearly get how fake they are. "

Oh, really. Wow, i'm impressed now. And of course, i want to listen to some TRVE symphonic-methul, and ditch the posers. Please, name some, of those amazin' bands, share your knowledge with us, mortals. ;-)

DeadAndGone wrote on 07.02.2010 at 15:49
@ Legeon

I didn't mean that people will buy all those 150.000 copies. I meant people have bought a lot of them since stores have to buy them all the time. I'd dare say at least 100.000 people have bought their DPP copies. And that's not bad.

Minea wrote on 07.02.2010 at 16:20
@DeadAndGone

Actually talking like that about my words about what happened in my life,only makes you look stupid.

Do you want a serious symphonic metal band?Therion.

REAL symphonic metal with REAL classic elements (and not just some orchestral parts-direct copies from Hans Zimmer) and with REAL operatic voices(no matter how much i love Tarja,i don't think she will ever be as good as Lori Lewis).
Moreover,Therion is a band that progresses.They do REAL progress(for new NW fans,using a singer like Anette is progression...LOL),the reinvent themselves with every album and they don't try to become famous through scandals.

Two years ago,almost all Therion members(Kristian,Peter and Johan) left(or maybe were fired).Did you see any "open letter"?Did you see hundreds of interviews about that?

To sum up:
Therion were the first to use an orchestra,the first to combine metal with classical influences,the first to use sopranos and tenors(and good ones),and they do it with quality.
After hearing Therion,is pretty much impossible to appreciate NW music that much anymore.

Legeon wrote on 07.02.2010 at 20:06
Earwen said:

" I don't know much about these "awards" (can't come up with the right word now), but if I'm right, in Germany you get "Gold" ("Goldene Schallplatte") when you sell 100.000 copies. "
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It is somehow calculated from the market size (% of a market size)

That means that in Finland with (what?) 7 milions people you need just 30 ths pieces soldf to be platinum. The same number you have for all small nations - Belgium, Holland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Switzerland, etc..

In countries with more people is the market bigger, that is why the same % gives bigger number of copies to be sold.

I guess that to be platinum in USA does mean to sell more copies then in Germany.

I do not remember percentages for gold and platinum by heart. But obviously you need to sell more CDs to be platinum in Germany then you need in Finland - if I remember right, Germany has more inhabitants then Finland.

mermaid wrote on 08.02.2010 at 10:56
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_album

"Music recording sales certification is a system of certifying that a music recording has shipped a certain number of copies.

Almost all countries follow variations of the RIAA certification categories, which are named after the precious materials gold, platinum and diamond (silver is also used in some countries). The number of sales required for these awards varies depending on the population of the territory in which the album is released. Normally they are awarded only to albums released at least nationally and are awarded individually for each country in which the album is sold. Additionally, different sales levels may exist for different music media, such as albums, singles, or videos.

Originally applied to LP records, certification is now most commonly awarded for compact disc sales. Certification is usually awarded cumulatively, and it is possible for a single album to be certified silver, gold, and platinum in turn. An album that becomes platinum at least twice over is said to be "multi platinum". Artists can also become multi-platinum sellers if they have at least two albums in the same territory both going single platinum?therefore meaning that they do not have an individual album selling these amounts.

History
The original Gold Record awards were presented to artists by their own record companies to publicize the achievement of 1,000,000 sales. The first of these was awarded by RCA to Glenn Miller in February 1942, celebrating 1,200,000 sales of "Chattanooga Choo Choo". Another example of a company award is the gold record awarded to Elvis Presley in 1956 for 1,000,000 sales of the single "Hound Dog". The first gold record for an LP was awarded by RCA to Harry Belafonte in 1957 for the album Calypso (1956), the first album to sell over 1,000,000 copies."

mermaid wrote on 08.02.2010 at 12:16
@Legeon
"Realizing now that all these years ....that all those feelings described in these songs are fake,repels me. "
Why the fact that feelings described in their songs are fake (or not) should bother anyone ?
Is a music about dragons , monsters, magic, etc more real ?
Making music is like making a script for a film.
Did George Lucas (with Star Wars) Steven Spielberg (with Jaws, Indiana Jones) or James Cameron (Terminator,Avatar) a bad job just because the stories are fake ?
The fact that you dont like NW anymore, because or their atittude towards former members, fans or Anette capabilities its ok for me. Its your opinion and i respect it, even though i dont agree everytime with them. But this argument is (and sorry for not finding another word)... crap.
Anybody can write a song about love without beeing in love. Whats the problem of that ? Its a matter of imagination, capability of transmitting feelings and putting it down in words. Its just a song not a judicial paper, it isnt a confession of anything, its just a song.

"REAL symphonic metal with REAL classic elements (and not just some orchestral parts-direct copies from Hans Zimmer) and with REAL operatic voices"
In my opinion NW is still symphonic in the instrumental part.
And as real classic elements.(still Tuomas is influenced by everything he ears, Zimmer didnt invent classical music also)
NW isnt operatic in the voice part anymore of course. Thats undeniable.

"for new NW fans,using a singer like Anette is progression"
-Its just a change of style. More "soft", more "melodic".

Some like it some dont. Respect is the key : respect towards people's opinions, and towards musicians choice of path.

"don't try to become famous through scandals"
-You are kidding right ? :)
When the "letter" was released NW was more famous then ever.

"Therion were the first to use an orchestra,the first to combine metal with classical influences,the first to use sopranos and tenors" :

-Taking out the use of voice. Wagner was the first REAL metal composer. (orchestra+classical+metal). Listen to some on youtube. Check "ride of the valkyries". :) He was a real headbanger . LOL

PT wrote on 08.02.2010 at 16:46
@PT

"Did George Lucas (with Star Wars) Steven Spielberg (with Jaws, Indiana Jones) or James Cameron (Terminator,Avatar) a bad job just because the stories are fake ? "

Umm...WHAT?And then you say that my argument is crap.

Ok,i'll explain it with simple words.
Music expresses emotions.Movies are made for entertainment,no one made Star Wars for emotion.
Music,as i said,expresses emotion,has lyrics about emotions.

When you see a movie,you just see it.Especially fantasy movies.You don't have emotions,but even if you do,they last 2 hours max.
When you hear music,and especially your favorite band,you live the emotions through the lyrics.
So,when you see that these emotions are fake,you feel deceived.

"Anybody can write a song about love without beeing in love."

No honey.

"And as real classic elements."

NW have NO classic element.

"-Its just a change of style. More "soft", more "melodic"."

Change doesn't mean "progression".
DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN THIS?

"When the "letter" was released NW was more famous then ever. "

AFTER the letter was released NW was more famous than ever.

"Wagner was the first REAL metal composer. "

It's different to write classic music and ADD some rock or metal elements than writing metal music and ADDING classic elements.

Therion were the first to do that.
NW never was a true symphonic metal band.Some generic orchestral parts don't count as symphonic.At least not enough to make the whole music symphonic.

Legeon wrote on 08.02.2010 at 17:44
PT said:

"Anybody can write a song about love without beeing in love. Whats the problem of that ? Its a matter of imagination, capability of transmitting feelings and putting it down in words. Its just a song not a judicial paper, it isnt a confession of anything, its just a song. "
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That is true. But I was writing poems for a few years .. and quite good ones.(Won some competitions :-) and got poems printed in newspapers)

And I can tell you that sometimes it somehow CAME OUT of me ... and sometimes I just made it up.

If you are clever with words enough, people should not realize that you made it up.

But sometimes I had to write something ... according to a purchase order. And I should say that - hmm, when you created something because you have a NEED to do so, it is visible on the final product.

While when you create something based on order ... sometimes you can see that it was just a business - sometimes it is not that visible.

Long term wise you can tell who does do things because (s)he like to do them... and who is just manufacturing songs/poems/paintings/movies..

So, you are right - NW is just a band and their songs are just manufactured songs.

But craft is not the same like an art, though I am not saying that either of them is a bad thing. It is just not the same thing.

mermaid wrote on 08.02.2010 at 18:54
@PT: "-Its just a change of style. More "soft", more "melodic"."

I can kind of understand the soft-part, though I don't really share that opinion, but how exactly is Anette's singing more melodic than Tarja's?!

"-You are kidding right ? :)
When the "letter" was released NW was more famous then ever. "

Oh, please. Don't pretend not to know how much publicity NW got through that letter. Incredibly much. Even their fans know that - this opinion is based on my experience with them, of course - they just say that wasn't what they intended with the letter. Of course the letter made them more famous. And in my opinion that was one of the things they wanted to achieve through publishing it.

Earwen wrote on 08.02.2010 at 19:01
@Legeon and Mermaid
"Anybody can write a song about love without beeing in love."

Legeon : "No honey"
Mermaid : "That is true..... writing poems for a few years .. and quite good ones.(Won some competitions :-) and got poems printed in newspapers) "

As you can see. Sometimes even in simple things people disagree.(Legeon...i think your "Iron Maiden" would disagree with you :P )
As mermaid said sometimes creating lyrics its just a business, or just for fun. You dont need to make emotional connection to love some music. But you feel that you have to Legeon. Maybe you "live the music" too much.
I take for what it is FOR ME. Another form of entertainment.

Change doesn't mean "progression". - AGREE
NW have NO classic element. - DONT AGREE

"NW never was a true symphonic metal band.Some generic orchestral parts don't count as symphonic.At least not enough to make the whole music symphonic."
You can call it what you want , Tuomas can call what he wants... Does it make a difference to you ? Not to me. I like some songs and some i hate it. Its not the label you put in the band that makes me like it or not. You can even call it POP i wont be offended :) i would only disagree with you. [i am not like some obsessed fans or haters]

As mermaid said:
"craft is not the same like an art, though I am not saying that either of them is a bad thing. It is just not the same thing."

@Earwen
"in my opinion that was one of the things they wanted to achieve through publishing it"
I think nobody knew what kind of winds this event would bring. Its 2010 and even now people "fight" over it.
A bit stormy aint it ?
About "melodic" , its hard for me to explain because english isnt my 1st language. You can use erase it. I will stick to "soft". I tried to use synonymous but did a poor job picking words.

PT wrote on 08.02.2010 at 22:16
@ PT

"Its 2010 and even now people "fight" over it."

Yep, some people claim that Nw is still talking shit about Tarja (what is "shit talking" anyway? is there only one answer for that?) but I don't remember when the last time was. Maybe this is just a good example how differently fans and non-fans interpret written interviews. Written texts are the easiest ones to interpret "wrong" because readers can add any kind of "sound" to the text. Mostly that "sound" fits their own purposes, they don't even try to interpret it in neutral way. They already have their expectations when they start reading, which is only natural.

I have never seen any interview in which Nw member talks "shit" about Tarja or Marcelo. They have only talked about how they feel or how they see things, that's all. But, I'm a fan and of course I interpret written interview in a different way than a disappointed ex-fan. :P What makes it even more funny that some bad mouths say my kind of people are blind and can't see the truth. I'd dare say that none of us outsiders will never know the real truth. All we have are our beliefs and interpretations. Fighting is futile.

Minea wrote on 09.02.2010 at 09:30
PT,

I DID agree with Legeon - NW are NO artists, just craftsmen... and not the best ones.

After all Marco told it himself (you can find it in the book)
- they are polishing things untill things are polished enough...

I am looking forward to hear the sound of crackling calcinated arteries of Maestro on next CD..

:-P

mermaid wrote on 09.02.2010 at 09:58
Legeon, who told you Nightwish lyrics are FAKE?
Are you Tuomas' best friend ?

Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 11:35
Legeon, better to say "Who told you the feelings behind NW lyrics are FAKE"?

Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 11:36
Evol,

do not be silly. How is anybody´s best friend related to this?

mermaid wrote on 09.02.2010 at 11:43
Mermaid,
Legeon said "feelings behind Nw lyrics are fake" , I asked her why she thinks so. They do not look completely "fake" at my eyes esepcially considering that they are commong feelings everybody can have.
How can you know if someone feelings are fake? Unless you refer to some specific song.

Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 11:48
Mermaid,
do you call "silly" each stranger who doesn't agree with you? You don't seem to know what good manners are. Personally I'm not "silly" at all, so try to make an effort to understand what other people may want to say.

Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 11:58
Ok..This will be long.

Let's start.

@PT

"Maybe you "live the music" too much. "

Yes i do.I never said that others or you have to live it too much,and i also said that I let MY feelings get in the way.I never talked about anyone else.

"Does it make a difference to you ? "

Not at all.Label doesn't make any difference,as you said.And if really mattered to me,then i would only listen to symphonic metal.Which doesn't happen,because i mostly listen heavy metal(power,gothic,symphonic,epic-i am not saying that these are the only sub-genres of heavy metal,these are the ones that i listen) and some death metal.

I was only explaining why NW aren't true symphonic metal,to some people that insist that NW are the best and the original symphonic metal.

"I think nobody knew what kind of winds this event would bring."

You don't have to be an oracle to think that,if you publish a "yellow press type" letter on your official page,storms are coming.

@Minea

"I have never seen any interview in which Nw member talks "shit" about Tarja or Marcelo."

Calling a woman "diva" (in a bad sense) is shit talking.

@Evol

"Legeon, better to say "Who told you the feelings behind NW lyrics are FAKE"? "

No one has to tell me.It's pretty damn obvious.And i'm talking especially about the early albums.

Legeon wrote on 09.02.2010 at 12:26
No, Evol,

I call "silly" only people who actually are ... silly. And I do not need to try to understand you - I see already that you do not answer my simple question:

How is anybody´s friend related to this?

So, you do not know... pitty. Must be frustrating for you not to know what are you talking about ... and suddenly find out that you do NOT know what you did talk about.

mermaid wrote on 09.02.2010 at 13:48
@PT
"I think nobody knew what kind of winds this event would bring. Its 2010 and even now people "fight" over it. "

Oh, sorry, but how difficult is it to find out, that when you are a band that sold enough albums and singles to become No.1 in several media charts and got platinum and gold, and you fire your iconic singer through an open letter calling her a arrogant diva, there is going to be a huge media circus? If you think they couldn't know that, your opinion of them seems to be worse than mine, meaning I still think they had the intelligence to know about that. It's really something every child would find out, you know. Maybe they underestimated it a little, but that's all. They knew about it, and at the very least accepted - if not wanted -it. It was their decision to discuss everything in public, nobody else's.

"About "melodic" , its hard for me to explain because english isnt my 1st language. You can use erase it. I will stick to "soft". I tried to use synonymous but did a poor job picking words."

Well, I'm not a native speaker, too, I think few people here are :) But I do think I know the meaning of the word "melodic", and there's no way Anette's singing could be "more melodic" than Tarja's. But alright, I think we'll drop the subject.

Earwen wrote on 09.02.2010 at 14:21
Legeon,
it's not obvious at all!
What's so "fake" about a Beauty and the Beast or Elvenpath, or Wishmaster or Dead Boys Poem? Or Gethsemane?
Maybe you mean some are "fantasy based"

Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 14:35
@legeon:
Sorry, but I'm curious now. Why do you think NW's lyrics are fake, and why especially the older albums? Because I don't think they are, I think Tuomas really feels what he writes, only that much of it is full of self-pity, arrogant and pathetic. I think he's silly and over-dramatic (I guess this word doesn't exist, but you'll understand what I mean ;) ), but not actually lying.
And as for the older albums, I'm not really sure whether I want to know at all^^ I love the lyrics of e.g. "angels fall first", and I don't want them to be fake ;) . But still, if you have an explanation why they are, I'd like to hear it :)

Oh, and as for fantasy, I don't think you can say in general that there are no emotions in it, or no lasting emotions. I don't know if you ever read Tolkien's books - not only The Lord of the Rings, but also The Silmarillion etc. - but for me it's quite obvious that he put all of his heart in those stories. And I wouldn't call the emotions that are put in the film score "fake" - they may not be "real", but fake is the wrong word, they're not pretended, just imagined, if you get what I mean...I'm not sure whether this is clear enough to understand it :D I mean, when you're reading a book you have emotions too, and though those are different from the ones in the real world, they aren't fake, but, well, real in a different way ;)

Earwen wrote on 09.02.2010 at 14:41
I agree with Earwen.
In AFF there is not so much to call fake in my opinion. Honestly I think that not even the latest lyrics could be called fake, I'd call them overly dramatic .
Lyrics are probably the less fake thing in Nightwish.

Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 14:59
So, now, Evol,

based on what you have said - YOU ARE Maestro´s BEST FRIEND, so you KNOW that those songs are not FAKE?

You still did not explain how is this best friend thing related to knowing whether something is or is not fake... but have it your way...

:-))

So, how is Maestro doing? As his BEST FRIEND you certainly know what is he doing, where is he doing what is he doing, with whom is he doing what he is doing..

go ahead, tell us!

mermaid wrote on 09.02.2010 at 15:36
@Earwen
About : "I think nobody knew what kind of winds this event would bring. Its 2010 and even now people "fight" over it. "

You said:
"... there is going to be a huge media circus... I still think they had the intelligence to know about that. Maybe they underestimated it a little, but that's all. They knew about it, and at the very least accepted ... It was their decision to discuss everything in public, nobody else's. "

You are righ i meant that they knew a storm would come.
But it became a F5 tornado !
Lasting for 4 1/2 years and counting.

As you , i believe that underestimated the all thing.
Discussing everything in public, was a bold move but it was also unwise.
Nobody should do their laundry in public.
I dont know if Tarja was a diva or not, maybe her behavior wasnt the most correct one .
But her atittude afterwards , and i think almost everybody agrees , was the right one. [not doing their laundry in public].

ps: at least i dont recall any interview of Tarja doing it

PT wrote on 09.02.2010 at 15:57
Mermaid,
I don't have time to write ridiculous stuff to you. I think me and Earwen expressed ourselves very well.

I don't think a songwriter needs to write fake lyrics, especially when you start a band as an hobby. Everybody can write lyrics about general feelings, Tuomas is no exception . They do not need to be fake as real life is a major source of inspiration.

Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 16:23
@ Legeon

"Calling a woman "diva" (in a bad sense) is shit talking."

I assume you found that word from a written interview. And it just proves what I wrote: a fan and an ex-fan interpret people's sayings in different ways. If you didn't actually see him saying that word, using angry sound and face, well, it's your interpretation. It's not the absolute truth. :)

And, I believe people take sometimes so called "shit talking" too seriously. Especially if it's on paper.

"Movies are made for entertainment,no one made Star Wars for emotion."

Oh, how much I disagree with this one. Movies are not made only for entertainment. They are also made to make people feel. I, for example cry every single time when I watch the end of "Finding Neverland". So does my boysfriend. And when we are watching a horror movie, we feel the same fear with the characters. I also feel happy when I have watched "Final Fantasy VII Advent Children". I don't know if I am just emotional and thus have a lot of feelings when watching any kind of movie.

But, all I can say is that movies are not just entertainment. :)

Minea wrote on 09.02.2010 at 16:36
@Earwen

"And I wouldn't call the emotions that are put in the film score "fake" - they may not be "real", but fake is the wrong word, they're not pretended, just imagined, if you get what I mean...I'm not sure whether this is clear enough to understand it"

Cool rant,but you should address it all to PT,he is the one who mentioned fantasy films.

"Why do you think NW's lyrics are fake, and why especially the older albums?"

Because older albums talk about love and innocence.And the last person that has the right to talk about these lyrics is Tuomas.

Let me explain this.If you read lyrics about innocence,and then you see that all these years NO ONE was innocent and they all behaved like traitors,you feel deceived.

Legeon wrote on 09.02.2010 at 16:43
@Minea

Your blindfolded fanaticism is really annoying.

When a person,says for a woman,that she thought she is better than all of them and she became a dive,HE IS MEANING IT IN A BAD WAY.

End of story.
You don't have to be "disappointed ex fan" to see that.

Or saying that a woman (who is NOT an opera prima dona of the 18th century) is a diva is actually a compliment?

Legeon wrote on 09.02.2010 at 18:14
Legeon,
Tuomas doesn't say in his lyrics that he is a innocent and good person, he says that he longs for being a good person because he isn't one. I think that's why he talks about "innocence" . He said that so many times.
In the first lyrics you don't really find the "innocence" element, they are more fantasy based.

E. wrote on 09.02.2010 at 18:30
Evol,

if you do not need to write ridiculous stuff - then why you still do that?

And let Earwen be - she is talking sense.

LOL.

mermaid wrote on 09.02.2010 at 18:40
@ Legeon

"Your blindfolded fanaticism is really annoying."

Nope, I'm not fanatic. You just interpreted it in that way when I told about my own interpretations. ;)

But, if you find me annoying, feel free to skip my posts. I don't mind. ^__^

"You don't have to be "disappointed ex fan" to see that."

Oh, even some of those who have never been fans disagree with you. Wich proves again: everybody have their own interpretations. There's not only one way to see things nor only one absolute truth. :)

"Because older albums talk about love and innocence.And the last person that has the right to talk about these lyrics is Tuomas."

Try to remember that he wrote the lyrics of first albums before events of 2005. Looong time before them. Obviously not all of them are telling about Tuomas' current personality.

And, the band has also a DVD named "End of Innocence". If you have seen it you should know that the band has not been innocent for a long time. In many ways.

@ mermaid

"And let Earwen be - she is talking sense."

Funny, because Evol just said she/he agrees with Earwen. So why? :'D

Minea wrote on 09.02.2010 at 22:34
@PT: Well, then I guess we ended our discussion quite fast :D I agree about the difference in NW's and Tarja's behavior, and that NW's was "unwise" (though that's a nice way to put it, and I surely wouldn't have used the word "bold") while Tarja's was correct. I guess we disagree about how much NW underestimated the media circus (cause I don't think they underestimated it *too* much) and about what they wanted to achieve by publishing the letter, but discussing that would lead quite far now, and I guess it's unnecessary. It was nice talking to you so far :)

@Minea: I admit I always cry at "Finding Neverland", too ;) I love that movie, may it be kitschy or not.

" If you didn't actually see him saying that word, using angry sound and face, well, it's your interpretation. It's not the absolute truth."

You forget that Tuomas called her a diva in the letter, in connection with arrogant, which he called a - if not the - reason why they couldn't work with her anymore. You have to agree he meant the word negative then. And if he uses the same word, talking about the same person, without ever having taken back what he wrote, you do not need to hate him to think that it is far more probable that he meant it in a negative way.
And in fact, whether he's angry or not saying that has nothing to do with it, considering the fact he didn't meet her for some years and his anger, at least his first anger, must be over. If he says it in a neutral way, it can be even worse, because the slander is more subtle then.

@legeon: "Cool rant,but you should address it all to PT,he is the one who mentioned fantasy films."

Well, but you said that those fantasy movies aren't made for emotions, and therefore I answered to you saying that in my opinion there are emotions in them, and that those aren't fake, but, well, imagined, as I explained (or tried to ;D). To me it seemed you think fantasy movies are like some commercial stuff that's made for two hours of entertainment only, and therefore I wanted to say that I disagree, but if I misunderstood you, I'm sorry. I know PT was the one who brought fantasy movies up, but since he wrote himself (or herself?) that just because they are about fantasy stories they aren't "fake", I agree with him on that point, so no need to answer.

"Because older albums talk about love and innocence.And the last person that has the right to talk about these lyrics is Tuomas.
Let me explain this.If you read lyrics about innocence,and then you see that all these years NO ONE was innocent and they all behaved like traitors,you feel deceived."

I think I understand better what you mean now, but I still don't agree completely. I know what you mean about that "deceived-feeling", I felt the same when I understood that all these lyrics about despair, lost love etc. seemed to be just self-pitiful, self-righteous and egoistic. But what I think is that Tuomas - even though he may talk in interviews about what a bad guy he is and how he hates himself - in fact thinks he's the good guy and right about all that. You can't do such a thing as publishing the letter if you don't at least convinced yourself you have the right to do it. Guess he's living in his own world with his own moral concepts. And that said, even though from our point of view the lyrics may be wrong, it's still what he felt. And therefore not fake, no matter how disgusting we can think they are.
And then, from "at the beginning" goes a bit far, don't you think? They weren't "traitors" yet when they recorded Angel's fall first, in my opinion ;)

@mermaid and evol: Thanks mermaid for saying I'm talking sense, and evol for agreeing with me - I don't really understand how both of you can think so but disagree with each other completely, but I'm flattered :D I guess mermaid thinks I'm talking sense while evol is not, and therefore he/she shouldn't include me in his comments, while evol, well, simply agrees with me on the movie thing, though I guess if we talked about other stuff we'd find a lot we disagree on. But then I admit I didn't read all the comments here or maybe someone used irony and I didn't get it, and so I may be wrong ;)

Earwen wrote on 10.02.2010 at 00:13
Earwen,
I think mermaid means that I'm not talking sense because I've been a bit more aggressive towards legeon, asking him/her rethorically if he/she was Tuomas' friend (to conclude the feelings behind his lyrics are fake).
I was agreeing with you about the lyrics. Now I see also Legeon's point.

"I felt the same when I understood that all these lyrics about despair, lost love etc. seemed to be just self-pitiful, self-righteous and egoistic. But what I think is that Tuomas - even though he may talk in interviews about what a bad guy he is and how he hates himself - in fact thinks he's the good guy and right about all that"

I *think* he exhagerates in interviews but he doesn't completely fake . Obviously a person like him has a certain self esteem and obviously he was convinced that the letter business was the right decision. At the same time he may realize that some of his actions/behavious, even if right or necessairy for him, hurt some other people and think that in the end he's not entirely a good person but an egoistic one.
That's just a theory of course.

Evol wrote on 10.02.2010 at 02:01
Earwen,

I said that you talk sense - I did NOT say I agree with you. These are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

Evol told Legeon that she can not know what Maestro meant because she is not Maestro´s BEST FRIEND.

"Legeon, who told you Nightwish lyrics are FAKE?
Are you Tuomas' best friend ?
Evol wrote on 09.02.2010 at 11:35"

And because Evol IS Maestro´s best friend (or maybe even a brother) he explained us what Maestro meant with his lyrics, what he thought, etc..

That is why I asked him not to be silly ... and that is why I did not understand why he mentioned you in his answer:

"Mermaid,
I don't have time to write ridiculous stuff to you. I think me and Earwen expressed ourselves very well. "

AND because I do not remember YOU to use this:
I-am-so-close-to-Maestro-that-I-understand-him-so-well-and-you-all-have-no-idea-what-are-you-talking-about... approach.

But maybe i am wrong (I did not read comments which are way too long and/or boring)
and maybe you pretented to be Maestro´s sister or girlfriend, too.

:-))

mermaid wrote on 10.02.2010 at 09:49
PT said:

"Anybody can write a song about love without beeing in love. Whats the problem of that ? Its a matter of imagination, capability of transmitting feelings and putting it down in words. Its just a song not a judicial paper, it isnt a confession of anything, its just a song. "
_______________________________________

Well, this is not exactly true. You can make it up but there are LIMITS. You can not write a song about love if you have never been in love.

Yet you can write a song about love even if you are not in love at the moment - you have been in love already so you remember and you can use that experience in your poetry again.

It is NOT just a question of imagination - you need to EXPERIENCE feelings you try to write a poem about.

Otherwise you would sound FALSE (we say "FLAT"). It is not a coincidence that greatest artists had a very turbulent lifes... not so many tax officers between them, huh?

If you listen to HIM´s Dark light you know Vile Valo was in LOVE. You do not need to understand english at all. When you listen to his Venus Doom, you know he is not in love anymore ...and whatever happened, happened in a very nasty and sad way.

You do not need to dissect his lyrics to find out.

As for Maestro - well, he liked cartoons. That is it.
No dissection of his lyrics will help you there.

Actually, I have read some "analyses" of my poetry... and had NO IDEA what those people were talking about. LOL

:-))

mermaid wrote on 10.02.2010 at 11:11
I seriously don't get why you people NEED to understand why i feel this way.

Music and the feelings behind it are one of the things that don't have and don't need to be justified.It's like religion.

I don't feel the same things with the songs now;that's my problem.No one forced you to understand it or feel the same way.

Legeon wrote on 10.02.2010 at 15:39
@ mermaid

"I said that you talk sense - I did NOT say I agree with you. These are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS."

Here we see again that you don't focus on what you read. Earwen did not say anything about you agreeing with her.

Minea wrote on 10.02.2010 at 16:11
@Evol: "Earwen,
I think mermaid means that I'm not talking sense because I've been a bit more aggressive towards legeon, asking him/her rethorically if he/she was Tuomas' friend."

Well, of course I am not aggressive towards legeon, because we agree about most things ;) But then, I don't think (and hope) that I'm aggressive towards anyone, though I admit there have been comments that made me upset and therefore a bit angry. But not many^^

"I *think* he exhagerates in interviews but he doesn't completely fake . Obviously a person like him has a certain self esteem and obviously he was convinced that the letter business was the right decision. At the same time he may realize that some of his actions/behavious, even if right or necessairy for him, hurt some other people and think that in the end he's not entirely a good person but an egoistic one.
That's just a theory of course."

Yes, a theory, and therefore nothing that we can really discuss, but I have to say that, if in fact he realizes some of his actions are wrong, that doesn't seem to keep him from going on with that stuff at all.Example: talking about how mean it was of him that he didn't say Sami in his face he was fired, an then doing it in an even worse way with Tarja. Because of such things, I doubt he really realizes or regrets much.

@mermaid: "But maybe i am wrong (I did not read comments which are way too long and/or boring)
and maybe you pretented to be Maestro´s sister or girlfriend, too. "

Oh, damn, mermaid!Did you have to say that?! *runs to the bath room*
Just kidding ;) But I didn't write that you agreed with me, only that I think it's funny that you think I'm talking sense and evol agrees with me but at the same time you and he/she "fight". I can understand that better now. I admit I wasn't making myself very clear, though, and that my sentence about that might as well be understood that way.

@legeon: "I seriously don't get why you people NEED to understand why i feel this way. "

Uhm...sorry, but if I remember correctly, you wrote that it's "pretty damn obvious" that the emotions behind NW's lyrics are fake. You didn't only write that they don't seem authentic to you. Calling something "pretty damn obvious" to me is treating it as a fact. And if you treat something as a fact that I disagree on, isn't it quite natural that I ask you for an explanation, especially when you're someone who I don't think would write such a thing without reasons?
If you had only written that you don't believe these lyrics, I would have understood that you don't want to discuss it, but even then, I might have asked why you think so and a simple "I don't want to talk about it" or "I can't explain it, it's just personal taste" would've been enough instead of acting like if I was impolitely asking about things that are nothing to me. Saying things like "noone forced you to understand it" seems quite impolite to me.I like exchanging and discussing opinions with other people, it's one of the reasons I'm here, and so what? And by the way, I do discuss religion with other people, and I think it's interesting to find out why somebody thinks something that's different from my opinion. Of course you don't have to do so as well, but it's not a crime nor completely absurd.

Earwen wrote on 10.02.2010 at 22:06
Anette posted THIS on her blog:

I loved going to school the first years and I just adored my first school teacher. She was so kind and sweet but at the same time also taught us to not curse (or at least she did try;=)
Whenever someone cursed, she sent us to the toilet where we had to open the lid - face down into the toilet and then she said:
- Ok, so say all the cursing words you ever can come up with until there are no left. Then you can get back to the class room!

Followed by a pic of a toilet!...

Ok,a question:

IS IT OUR FAULT???
What we say about her,IS IT OUR FAULT?

Legeon wrote on 10.02.2010 at 23:38
@Earwen

I said it,because it is obvious.There are some things Tuomas has done that don't cope with his lyrics.

But i also think,that none of you have to understand what i feel.

For me though,there's a simple thing:the lyrics are LIES.No,he didn't have any innocence,so he didn't also lose any innocence,no he is NO FREAKIN poet,like he says,no he is not sensitive,and no,he clearly loved no one.

And no,he was not betrayed by anyone.HE was the one that betrayed others.

Legeon wrote on 11.02.2010 at 00:09
Minea,

a kid with long and extremely boring comments,

I guess that Earwen can talk for herself and does not need a "translator".
Neither do I.

So, what about stopping to interffere other people talking ... and do something usefull instead?

I remember you wanted to do some charity - and you talked a lot about how important it is ... how is this going? Did you manage to start already?

And have you decided to work with kids or with old/dissabled people?

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 09:46
What are you talking about Legeon?

I am a lady, I never curse. :-))

Actually, it is interesting what Princess was taught at SCHOOL.
Well, I was taught languages, math, physics, chemistry, geography, and such stuff.

But we also have these schools for kids who have problems to adopt to a normal society. And they are not always put there by a court.... though majority of them yes. So maybe this was a case with Princess.

And obviously she did not get any qualiffication ... whatever the school was about..

Interesting. But not THAT much. OK, she did not behave properly when kid. Big deal.
Just a small cherry on the top of her beautiful personality and unbelievable proffesional skills.

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 09:53
DEB:

"Oh, so sweet she was... I still remember hanging there with the head down in the toilet bowl and at that time I didnt come up with so many words...it was like I said 2 or three and then my head was blank...;=)

Some teachers just leave us with such good memories and then others we just want to forget all about;=) "

So, Princess spent her childhood with her head in a toillet bowl... (that explains few things) LOL

... and this is the SWEET part of her memories.. I wonder what the less sweet teachers had to do with her?

LOL

As an ex-teacher I should say I never had to teach such kids. Must be frustrating...

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 10:28
Legeon,

"For me though,there's a simple thing:the lyrics are LIES.No,he didn't have any innocence,so he didn't also lose any innocence,no he is NO FREAKIN poet,like he says,no he is not sensitive,and no,he clearly loved no one. "

I think it depends on HOW you understand those lyrics.

What puzzles me is how you can be so sure about things like "he clearly loved no one", "he is not sensitive" etc.
Not necessairly those lovesongs are written because of a certain miss Turunen.

E. wrote on 11.02.2010 at 13:19
E.,

sure. But he does have cats, after all. What if those songs are inspired by them?

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 14:07
@ mermaid

"a kid with long and extremely boring comments,"

Well, if message that consists of two lines is long in your opinion...

"I guess that Earwen can talk for herself and does not need a "translator".
Neither do I."

The main point of my longest message ever was the first sentence.

"So, what about stopping to interffere other people talking ... and do something usefull instead?"

I thought we all have the same right to write here and tell what we think. If you find my posts interfering you can always ignore them. No one forces you to read them nor to comment them.

"I remember you wanted to do some charity - and you talked a lot about how important it is ... how is this going? Did you manage to start already?"

Like I said already, I'm going to do it when I have more money. Right now I spent my money for studying and when I have a good education and a job I will support charity.

"And have you decided to work with kids or with old/dissabled people?"

Interesting, where did this come from?

Minea wrote on 11.02.2010 at 14:19
Mermaid,
it seems to talk with 5 years old kids not willing to understand

E. wrote on 11.02.2010 at 14:42
I found a cartoon that was published in a Finnish newspaper about a month after Tarja was fired. It's in Finnish but I translate the text.

Here is the link: http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e246/susitar/Nightwish/Lehtijuttuja/Lehdet%2010/ss.jpg

And here is the translation:

- Earthquakes
- Bombings
- Turus sorrow ("Turus" is shorter version for Tarja's family name and is used sometimes in spoken Finnish. It's very common for family names that end with -nen, like Jukka's ("Nevalais"), Tuomas's ("Holopais") and Emppu's ("Vuoris").)
- Avian influenza
- Famine

Under the picture:
"That 'Naivitsi' case is the most shocking news in a long time!"

"Vitsi" means "joke".

I somehow agree with the guy who drew the cartoon. :P

Minea wrote on 11.02.2010 at 14:47
Minea,

the kid with long and boring comments is trying to say that:

"Well, if message that consists of two lines is long in your opinion... "

actually, Minea, I said commentS, that is a PLURAL. When you will be older they will explain you at school that "plural" means more then one thing.

ALL your comments are boring. On the other hand, I did not say that ALL your comments are long. Those, which are long I do not read anymore, because they are well ... boring.

"The main point of my longest message ever was the first sentence."

The main point of your surprisingly short commment was that you had nothing to do so you needed to atrack attention. My attention, obviously.

"Like I said already, I'm going to do it when I have more money. Right now I spent my money for studying and when I have a good education and a job I will support charity. "

Like I explained you already (and obviously with no effect), you can help people who need that with your own HANDS - you do not need MONEY to do that. WORK. Do you know the word?
I help other people since my 15 years, as I explained you already.

I am not going to tell you what you could do for people in your own community - for kids in orphanage, for ill people, for old people, for mentally or physically dissabled people, because

I do not believe that you REALLY want to help people. I just think that you use your "not having money" as an excuse for doing nothing.

"And have you decided to work with kids or with old/dissabled people?
Interesting, where did this come from?"

I actually do not believe that you live in a community where everybody is healthy, young and happy, so NOBODY NEEDS YOUR HELP.

Or are you going to pretend now that you live in a heaven? And the only people who need a help are those who live in Haiti?

and the last one:

"I thought we all have the same right to write here and tell what we think. "

Yes, you have the right to write here. I never said anything else.
But.
You also have a right to receive a feedback on what are you writing here.

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 15:16
E, said:

"Mermaid,
it seems to talk with 5 years old kids not willing to understand "
_____________________________________________

DO tell ME. I needed to explain Minea AGAIN what I DID already. But I do not think she is so stupid or with such a short memory.
I think she is just way too lazy to actually go and to DO something for people who NEED to be helped.

She preffers to sit and write here this noble blabbing about how charity is important and how is she (in NOT specified FUTURE) going to save the world.
Pharisee, as oh so many.

Actually, whenever I read her comments I always ended up frustrated - she talks a lot but says nothing. It is just a blabbing meant to impress, to show how extremely is she tolerant, understanding, developed, ... simply unbelievably adorable.

Though, I do not understand why she simply does not say: "People I am so ADORABLE and GROWN UP and INTELLIGENT, etc."

It would save me a lot of time. And to many people, too.

I use to come here for a long time, but Minea is with no doubts THE MOST BORING person EVER.
If she would not say she is 19, I will guess she is 9.

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 15:30
Minea,

do you know even LESS funny jokes, then the one you talked about?
Or is this your "the best one"?

You must crack yourself up because of laughter when you see the earthworm, I guess.

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 15:44
Legeon,

let us have some best off. You are coming here even for a longer time then me.

I started already:

most boring: Minea
most exclamation marks per a sentence: Celisajan
most adorable: Wrathchild

biggest Princess´fan: Wrathchild

Go ahead, add some of yours favourites as well.

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 15:54
Actually, Minea,

now, when we run AGAIN the same conversation we did run already, it reminds me about one thing we discussed already,too.
I forgot to ask you: did you explain to Haiti goverment how rude is to talk about "selling kids"?

For the rest of you: Minea told me that it is rude to use words " buy a kid" on the other thread - the same where we talked about a charity.

When I watched TV and they did talk about Haiti SELLING their kids,

I did think about you, Minea, and I wanted to ask:

Is it rude only when I am talking about it?
Or is it rude when Haiti does that, too?

And did you tell them that TALKING about that is RUDE ..

and they should sell their kids WITHOUT talking about it?

What Haiti government did tell you?

THAT might be interesting....

mermaid wrote on 11.02.2010 at 16:07
@mermaid

ITS OSCAR'S TIME

"Legeon,
let us have some best off....

most boring: Minea
most exclamation marks per a sentence: Celisajan
most adorable: Wrathchild
biggest Princess´fan: Wrathchild "

And the Oscar goes to... (LOLOLOL !!)

Mermaid you are nominated for what ?? :) LOLOL
This will be funny !!

PT wrote on 11.02.2010 at 16:12
Oh God,how funny.Haha,i'm laughing my ass off...

...
...
NOT!

Minea,this cartoon is stupid.It seems that Finns are more eager to laugh at Tarja(who was the one that did nothing) than to actually put on some sarcasm about Tuomas and his superficial suicidal tendencies.

Lame.

I don't FUCKING CARE if this has been a huge deal in your country,it's unethical-to say the least-to mention Tarja's family name,especially since was the one betrayed.Why didn't this person use Tuomas' name?
Oh,i forgot.No-one touches Tuomas,Finland's super-hero and driving force behind that BIG productive machine called Nightwish.

Legeon wrote on 11.02.2010 at 17:16
Mermaid why won't you write - "People I am so ADORABLE and GROWN UP and INTELLIGENT, etc."

if you didn't write that you are 29 i would think you are 5.

Isabell wrote on 11.02.2010 at 20:54
Mermaid are you happy now?

Isabell wrote on 11.02.2010 at 20:55
@ mermaid

"actually, Minea, I said commentS, that is a PLURAL. When you will be older they will explain you at school that "plural" means more then one thing."

Y'know, I have been in school too. But they don't teach there how to get rid of dyslexia, unfortunately.

"ALL your comments are boring. On the other hand, I did not say that ALL your comments are long. Those, which are long I do not read anymore, because they are well ... boring."

Aha. So? You thought I actually cared what you think about me or my posts? Nope.

I might be boring but your posts never surprise, either. And no, I don't think you care about what I think about you or your posts.

"The main point of your surprisingly short commment was that you had nothing to do so you needed to atrack attention. My attention, obviously."

Sorry to tell you but I'm the one who knows what the point is in my posts. ;)

"Like I explained you already (and obviously with no effect), you can help people who need that with your own HANDS - you do not need MONEY to do that. WORK. Do you know the word?
I help other people since my 15 years, as I explained you already."

Let me remind you: I'm STUDYING. My day starts at 6.45am and ends at 6.30pm when I come home from the school. On Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays it ends at 8pm. So, when do I have time to help? At weekends? Nope, I read test books.

My plan: to get good education and good job and after that I have time and money to help. Takes time but is worth it.

"I do not believe that you REALLY want to help people. I just think that you use your "not having money" as an excuse for doing nothing."

Nice accusation but no explaining why you think like this.

"I actually do not believe that you live in a community where everybody is healthy, young and happy, so NOBODY NEEDS YOUR HELP."

I live in the third largest city of Finland, Tampere, in a large suburb of Hervanta. To learn more, read Wikipedia.

"Or are you going to pretend now that you live in a heaven? And the only people who need a help are those who live in Haiti?"

Geez. GEEZ. You should know that there is no heaven on Earth. I know that already.

"Yes, you have the right to write here. I never said anything else.
But.
You also have a right to receive a feedback on what are you writing here."

Your way to give feedback is rude. Yes, RUDE. No one wants to get that kind of feedback.

And when people criticize your posts, you write a cheeky answer. Is that better? Is that mature?

I said to you: "Here we see again that you don't focus on what you read". That was a feedback to you and you started this discussion instead of writing something about what I said to you. I must admit I was very surprised.

"do you know even LESS funny jokes, then the one you talked about?
Or is this your "the best one"?"

I don't find the word "funny" from my post. Do you? Did I express that laughed? No.

As you read, I translated everything in the cartoon and didn't highlight anything.

But let's make this clear: the guy who drew the cartoon criticized the fact that Tarja's firing had become huge news. Too huge. And I agree with him. That was the point in the last sentence. And the whole post.

Yep, it had nothing to do with this topic but neither does your posts about Anette's blog. Or your "best off". So, who cares? :D

Minea wrote on 11.02.2010 at 21:09
@ mermaid

"When I watched TV and they did talk about Haiti SELLING their kids,

I did think about you, Minea, and I wanted to ask:

Is it rude only when I am talking about it?
Or is it rude when Haiti does that, too?"

I have not seen that kind of news so I can't say anything about that.

Minea wrote on 11.02.2010 at 21:11
@ Legeon

"Minea,this cartoon is stupid"

Is it? It's about Tarja's firing getting huge news and it does not laugh at any certain person. It mentions Tarja's name just because she was the one who got fired and her name was the one that was filling the main titles. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

And, as you read, the guy in the cartoon mentions Nightwish's name (or "Naitvitsi" or "Nightjoke"). Not Tarja's. Thus it's Nw's name that is highlighted.

Or is this just my interpretation made by "blindfolded fanaticism"?

You know, I'm in a journalist course right now and in the beginning of the studies we interpreted a lot of this kind of cartoons (one was about Finnish Audi boss who had compared cars to women). Usually they hide a lot of stuff and you need to "take apart" the pieces of the picture. But first, and this is the most important part, you have to set your mind to neutral. If you have any kind of attitude towards the subject of the picture you will surely interpret it in a way that fits your own opinions. In the end, the "true" meaning of the picture might be wrong. And what is the true meaning? Mostly the one that the person who drew the picture was thinking about. Of course people can have different opinions about this one.

No, I'm not saying that my interpretation is the only right one.

Congrats if you managed to read every single word of this post.

Minea wrote on 11.02.2010 at 21:33
Don't worry, Minea. In my opinion you are the one who is talking sense here and who is the one who is trying to bring your thoughts and discuss about them. Earwen seems to be a nice lady too, she doesn't pick on people. :)

Even though I'm not a fan of Nightwish their music interests me. I haven't bought any of their albums yet but I'm planning to do so. I really don't care what happened in the past. That time is gone and people should move on. I'm not saying they should forget or forgive anyone. The letter and the firing don't concern us. If it's true that Tuomas wants to have a long discussion with Tarja in the future, well, I hope it will happen. :)

I will leave you alone now so that you can continue your meaningless fight against Minea. ;P

AD wrote on 11.02.2010 at 22:31
@mermad

"DEB:

"Oh, so sweet she was... I still remember hanging there with the head down in the toilet bowl and at that time I didnt come up with so many words...it was like I said 2 or three and then my head was blank...;=)

Some teachers just leave us with such good memories and then others we just want to forget all about;=) "

So, Princess spent her childhood with her head in a toillet bowl... (that explains few things) LOL

... and this is the SWEET part of her memories.. I wonder what the less sweet teachers had to do with her?

LOL

As an ex-teacher I should say I never had to teach such kids. Must be frustrating..."

Umm... is it just me or does this blog post start somehow... weirdly? o_O Did you leave something out from the beginning?

Kiera wrote on 11.02.2010 at 22:44
@Minea

What's the problem with you?Yes,you ARE blindfolded,since YOU said that they mention Tarja's family name("Turus") and then you said that there's no Tarja's name...

HUH?

Legeon wrote on 11.02.2010 at 23:04
Minea,

So you have a dyslexia? Poor you. But it is no excuse to be boring - I know some people who have it and they are quite funny and charming.
You would have find your way to live with it.

I do not care for your postings, I was just answering it - in my culture it is considered to be RUDE not to answer when adressed.
You knew - it was YOU who started to talk to ME.

"Sorry to tell you but I'm the one who knows what the point is in my posts. ;) " - then why are you bothering with them other people? keep them for yourself.

"Let me remind you: I'm STUDYING. "

I was also studying. And as I explained you (Oh, God, how many times? twice?)
I am twice GRADUATED. So I was studying for MANY YEARS. And I have worked since 19. As explained to you, twice. And?
I am actually thinking about doing the law studies, too, because I still have to work with it in my job.

Either you are the worst student in the universe... or/and you are just VERY lazy.
Though, as far as you really need to be explained SO MANY TIMES... hmm. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?

But that is not the point. I guess that many people coming here never did anything for other people, too. We did not talk about charity here untill YOU CAME to LECTURE other people on ETHICS.
And nobody except of you does pretend to be saint.

"I live in the third largest city of Finland, Tampere, in a large suburb of Hervanta. To learn more, read Wikipedia. "

That is your problem that you live there. I lived in third biggest city of our country and studied both universities (and worked) in our capital. And how is this related to anything?

(And why should I study about Tampere? I do not need to killl time, I HAVE things to do, thanks.)

"Your way to give feedback is rude. Yes, RUDE. No one wants to get that kind of feedback. "

Get used to it. With your nice habit to interffere other´s people conversation and huge need to attrack attention you will receive a LOT of that.

I do not care about your "jokes". Jesus, I am too bored even to read your post till the end, again.
So, as you see, I am POLITE enough AGAIN to answer your boring comment.

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 10:06
Kiera said"

"Umm... is it just me or does this blog post start somehow... weirdly? o_O Did you leave something out from the beginning?"
___________________________________
I reacted on Legeon´s post, Kirea. What beginning are you talking about?
The begining of Legeon? Or of universe?

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 10:08
Yes, Isabell,

10 years old girl who is missused by her parents to work and pay their bills.
I am a happy person and I live a happy life. But as I told you already, work of children is most probably NOT legal in your country, so your parents should be reported to police.

And now, what? You have learned how to do a CTRL"C" and CTRL"V"? How sweet..!

You are clever for a 10 years old kid.

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 10:19
Legeon,

do you think that Minea is the RIGHT ONE to lecture other people here on humanity, politeness and manners?

"Congrats if you managed to read every single word of this post."(by Minea)

I would really like to know whether she is the right one to call other people RUDE, CHEEKY or what was it? I forgot already.

Minea,

the most polite, understanding, intelligent and human person...
and I am not mentioning how she is FOCUSED - you need to explain her only 10 times!

MINEA FOR PRESIDENT!

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 10:36
AD:

Minea is fighting against Minea? Well, I did not read everything...
So , schizophrenic, too?

PT:

I am a proud member of DC crew, PT.
And I obviously did not nominate myself - did not you READ?

.. you - on the other hand - are asking this strange question, because.. ?

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 10:43
Minea,

"I have not seen that kind of news so I can't say anything about that."

Well, you said you study journalist course, yet you did not manage to watch Haiti news.

Hm.

Are you sure you study a JOURNALIST course? Is not that cooking for beginners course?

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 10:57
You know, people,

I was a bit harsh on Minea - she most probably really believed that I was TWICE GRADUATED BEFORE I turned 15.

After all, we all could see how FAST she is in thinking...

Yet, you must study journalism in Finland to miss Haiti news, I guess.

Legeon,

the reason for the cartoon is obvious - Minea has finally LEARNED something,

so she wanted to EXPLAIN that to all of us. As she did. It was not meant to be funny or interesting, it was meant to show Minea´s unbelievable KNOWLEDGES.

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 11:24
Let's do some promotion.
I noticed you guys like to discuss Nightwish a lot , some of you might find this forum interesting : http://www.nightquest.co.nr/

It's not the ideal place for Nightwish fangirling but it's not a place for Nightwish bashing either, it's a rather unusual board with unusual topics.

Nightquest wrote on 12.02.2010 at 11:48
Nightquest,

that was a loss of time. I certainly am not going to REGISTER and there is no other way how to have a look at it.

Not that I am SORRY for that - CONSPIRACIES? Is UFO included?

LOL.

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 12:34
And let us mourn again:

DEB:"Thursday, 11 February 2010
Alexander McQueen
As many others, I have read that one of my favourite clothes designers today took his own life. The world and the fashion world lost one very big designer today and I wish he will rest in peace.
In fashion he was for me, so incredibly bold and made so special pieces. I have several of his clothes and my outfit when performing in swedish morning TV together with Pain was his design."

I am so happy that Princess did not miss this one dead body... though this one could rest in PEACE.

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 13:17
Legeon and Mermaid you're pathetic:)
Minea don't try to explain them anything, they won't understand, they are simply hopeless but in the same time very amusing. 29 years old woman writing meaningless post after more meaningless one, I haven't seen in my entire life anything more mature that this:D hahaha

the observer wrote on 12.02.2010 at 14:33
@Mermaid , that was not directed to you . I don't like spammers neither meaningless bashing.
Yes, Ufo included !

Nightquest wrote on 12.02.2010 at 15:28
@ Legeon

"What's the problem with you?Yes,you ARE blindfolded,since YOU said that they mention Tarja's family name("Turus") and then you said that there's no Tarja's name...

HUH?"

Read my post again. I did say there is Tarja's name.

@ mermaid

"So you have a dyslexia? Poor you. But it is no excuse to be boring - I know some people who have it and they are quite funny and charming.
You would have find your way to live with it."

My answer had nothing to do with me being boring. It was about your pedantic answer how I don't know what plural is.

"then why are you bothering with them other people? keep them for yourself."

Since you didn't had noticed what was the purpose of the post I tried to make it clear.

"I was also studying. And as I explained you (Oh, God, how many times? twice?)
I am twice GRADUATED. So I was studying for MANY YEARS. And I have worked since 19. As explained to you, twice. And?
I am actually thinking about doing the law studies, too, because I still have to work with it in my job"

See? You didn't focus on what you read. Again. I just said I have hellish long days so when should I have time to lend my hand?

"Either you are the worst student in the universe... or/and you are just VERY lazy.
Though, as far as you really need to be explained SO MANY TIMES... hmm. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?"

Same with this.

"We did not talk about charity here untill YOU CAME to LECTURE other people on ETHICS."

Umm... What? I recall it was Crystalium who started to discuss about charity - after copying Anette's Haiti post from her blog.

But, if you absolutely certain that it was me who started... lecturing? Then show me the news thread and date and time when I started that.

"That is your problem that you live there. I lived in third biggest city of our country and studied both universities (and worked) in our capital. And how is this related to anything?"

You started to talk about my community so I told about it.

"Get used to it. With your nice habit to interffere other´s people conversation and huge need to attrack attention you will receive a LOT of that."

This is a free discussion thread. Anyone can write about her/his opinions. Get used to it.

"I do not care about your "jokes". Jesus, I am too bored even to read your post till the end, again."

Geez. I already said that I didn't express that cartoon was funny. I simply said that agreed with guy who drew it. That the firing news grew too huge. That's the thing the cartoon was telling about.

"Well, you said you study journalist course, yet you did not manage to watch Haiti news."

I read news when I am in school. And that "selling kids" did not appear.

So, tell me. What kind of selling it is about?

@ the observer

"Minea don't try to explain them anything, they won't understand, they are simply hopeless but in the same time very amusing. 29 years old woman writing meaningless post after more meaningless one, I haven't seen in my entire life anything more mature that this:D hahaha"

I thought I didn't have to explain the cartoon to them... How wrong I was! And it was such a simple cartoon.

Nah, anyway. I had a lot of fun while reading their posts. They make up so much things in short amount of time and they feel need to explain same things over and over again. ^_^

--------

Gosh, I have a shorter day today in school. o/ But it still means 1.5 hour sitting in the bus to get home. Ah well, fortunately I have my test book. 600 hundred pages of history of Finnish television. :D

Minea wrote on 12.02.2010 at 15:55
Nightquest,

I have TOLD you already, that I am NOT interested. How many times should I say that?

Enjoy your UFO. :-))

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 15:57
@ Legeon

Alright, now I got what confuced you. Let's do this again. I highlight some words.

Here we go. This is what I wrote:
"Is it? It's about Tarja's firing getting huge news and it does not laugh at any certain person. IT MENTIONS TARJA'S NAME just because she was the one who got fired and her name was the one that was filling the main titles. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

And, as you read, THE GUY IN THE CARTOON mentions NIGHTWISH'S name (or "Naitvitsi" or "Nightjoke"). NOT TARJA'S. Thus it's Nw's name that is highlighted."

Now then... Are we clear? Still got something between your teeth?

Minea wrote on 12.02.2010 at 16:00
The Observer said:

"Minea don't try to explain them anything, they won't understand, they are simply hopeless "

Observer, you are SO right... I did read cartoons in a wrong way ALL my life! 29 years of doing it in a wrong way, can you imagine that??

It is GOOD that now we have Minea to tell us, how to do this PROPERLY.

Fortunately, I do not read cartoons at all, so the damage is not THAt BIG.

"29 years old woman writing meaningless post after more meaningless one, I haven't seen in my entire life anything more mature"..

You have got this one wrong - I do NOT compete here in "being mature", Observer. It is Minea, who is trying to look like very MATURE person, not ME. You have mistaken us.
:-))

I am completely fine as I am. And if you do not like me, I have a good news for you: you do not HAVE to MARRY me.
________________________________________________

I would like to understand what do all of you have with this MATURE thing - I never needed this "skill" or "quality" in my life.

Being "mature" does not help me to do my job, it does not help me with my hobbies, with my pet, with social work I am engaged in, with cooking, cleaning ... well, with anything?!

So, for what do you all use this being "mature" except of typing about it here? And accusing other people of "not being mature"? (I guess this one makes you happy, so that would be a reason)

Anyway, whatever you are so "mature" for, enjoy it.

mermaid wrote on 12.02.2010 at 16:15
@the observer

Boo hoo hoo,now that you called me pathetic,i realized that my life has no meaning,and i should probably end it...Or even better,you made me understand how FREAKIN right NW fans are and how Anette kicks ass and how much of a saint Tuomas is and that NW is the best band ever and and and...

Pathetic.
Yes,you are.

Legeon wrote on 12.02.2010 at 16:31
@mermad

"Minea is fighting against Minea? Well, I did not read everything...
So , schizophrenic, too?"

Do you know what "plural" means?

AD wrote on 12.02.2010 at 16:41
mermaid:

" in my culture it is considered to be RUDE not to answer when adressed. "

Is it rude (in your culture) to anwer when no one asks you? it should be! you need some sovoir vivre.

"I am twice GRADUATED. So I was studying for MANY YEARS"

omg REALLY, twice gradueted!:o i'm so impressed and you are still alive. i'm happy it didn't kill you. 5 years it's a looong time, not everybody can hold it. You are my hero.
And you help people. I want to be like you in future. *tears*

"10 years old girl who is missused by her parents to work and pay their bills.
I am a happy person and I live a happy life. But as I told you already, work of children is most probably NOT legal in your country, so your parents should be reported to police.'

HAHHAH laugh my ass off (or should i cry?) you are pathetic, you know.

"do you think that Minea is the RIGHT ONE to lecture other people here on humanity, politeness and manners?"

ARE YOU?!

"I guess that many people coming here never did anything for other people, too."

Or to judge?

You should nomineted yourself it's your only chance to get anythink. Don't miss it.

Oh i didn't read your whole comment it was to long and boring.

Ps. Don't answer i know you are busy and bored enough, you have to write tons of comments here and on the forum and of course check Anette's blog.

Isabell wrote on 12.02.2010 at 16:57
@mermaid

YOU SAID :

"I started already:
most boring: Minea
most exclamation marks per a sentence: Celisajan
most adorable: Wrathchild
biggest Princess´fan: Wrathchild
Go ahead, add some of yours favourites as well. "

It sounded like the Oscars nominations !
So why would my question be strange ?
(i wasn't using sarcasm when posted it)

I think you should be nominated for something , as you are a frequent poster, and you have strong opinions !

PS: Maybe Legeon (which is someone you have a good opinion about) could nominate you. (If she wants it of course) :)

PT wrote on 12.02.2010 at 18:16
@Minea

They DO laugh at Tarja.They say "Turunen sorrow",and that is sarcasm.Deal with it.

Or it's just a coincidence that he doesn't use Tuomas' name?
Huh?

Legeon wrote on 12.02.2010 at 18:44
mermaid:
"I would like to understand what do all of you have with this MATURE thing - I never needed this "skill" or "quality" in my life."

you changed tactic. You don't want people to write that you are immature in your 29 so you wrote that first. Clever indeed.
But it will not help you.
Should i remind you that it was you (one of first) who wrote about Anette's teenage behaviour and mind. That's she's so immature in her 38.
It's nice to hear that you don't have to be mature->responsible in you live and don't even want to. What's your job?

"accusing other people of "not being mature"? (I guess this one makes you happy, so that would be a reason)"

You are the only one here who have fun from other people's failures and insulting them.

"Sometimes people think that they have already seen the bottom of the well of human stupidity, but then they meet someone with whom they learn that this well has no bottom." - Stephen King

(i've tried to translate it best i can)

Isabell wrote on 12.02.2010 at 21:49
Minea wrote us:

"See? You didn't focus on what you read. Again. I just said I have hellish long days so when should I have time to lend my hand? "
___________________________________________
Minea,

I see that you really are NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I will type this very slowly ...and you can ask somebody to help you understand.

When I was 19, I have studied Math-Physics Faculty of our best university, second year, and I have worked to earn money to pay for my studies.
I was good enough student to be chosen when 20 years old - and with another 3 colleagues we did teach on Baku university in Azerbajdzhan. I did teach first years´students math.

I worked to pay my studies and I earned enough money (well, I received stipendium as well) to be able to travel (when 21 - I spent all summer by travelling through Europe with friends. We slept in parks and so... but I visited all big cities in Europe.

Yet, since I was 15, I always did do some kind of social work.

And everybody I knew does the same, so I am NO exception. My students did exactly the same. Now they are studying abroad, but they work to pay their bills and majority of them does some kind of charity.

Well, you say you are 19, yet you do not work and you never did anything for anybody. That is TRULY amazing.

You are the most lazy person I have ever heard about. And your excuse is: "studying journalism" o-la-la ! - which is obviously not very difficult study. So, you are not very clever either.

Lazy and not very smart - you do not need to plan what to do with money you one day will earn. You will be lucky to get any job at all.

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 10:08
littel Isabell told us:

"omg REALLY, twice gradueted!:o i'm so impressed and you are still alive. i'm happy it didn't kill you. 5 years it's a looong time, not everybody can hold it. You are my hero.
And you help people. I want to be like you in future. *tears* "

Well, for a ten yesr old girld 5 ears (one Universitystudies) are a half of her life. So, I can imagine that it seems to you that I spent all y&our life studying... but in relaity I have studied my second University only 3 years - I managed to do all exams for 1, 2 and 3rd grade in one year.

So, I have studied only 8 years, for you it is still a LOT of time, but when you will be older you will see it differently.

"HAHHAH laugh my ass off (or should i cry?) you are pathetic, you know. "

It is not matter of "being pathetic" - it is a matter of a law. Work of children is NOT legal - ask some adult person whom you can talk to. You obviously need to ask for a help - your parents have no right to deal with you like this.

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 10:20
Well, Isabell worte one more:

"Should i remind you that it was you (one of first) who wrote about Anette's teenage behaviour and mind. That's she's so immature in her 38.
It's nice to hear that you don't have to be mature->responsible in you live and don't even want to."

I have never ever use a word "immature" - we use it only when we talk about some sorts of cheese. Princess is NOT a cheese, so I certainly did not use that word.

And I may assure you that adults do not use this word at all - I guess that it is some teenage thing. Yesterday I saw one old "Zack and Cody suit life" show - and they were solving this - but they were 12! (well, two years older they you)

So, yes, you should REMIND me WHERE and WHEN EXACTLY have you seen ME using word "immature"? I did not describe Princess´ "behavior" as "teenage", too, by the way. Neither here, nor in forum.

I am absolutely certain of that. I DID teach teenagers and my students were completely normal, smart, charming and responsible. Unlike Princess. So I see no reason to flatter Princess like that and I am sure I NEVER did.

Responsibility is something else - I always had a lot of it. You have mistaken me with Minea, in here. She is the one who has none.

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 10:41
Isabell:

"You should nomineted yourself it's your only chance to get anythink. Don't miss it. "
________________________
Are you going to buy me a car, Isabell?

Actually, I am not a Princess who asked her fans to send her gifts. You would better save your money - it is anyway a SHAME that you should work in your age and nobody cares!

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 10:46
AD,

you were talking to Minea... I do not care how many Mineas have you been talking to. And I know what plural means. Why?

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 10:53
Minea:

"600 hundred pages of history of Finnish television."

much less then one Harry Potter book...
and they watch TC at school... hmm.

And that is called STUDIES? It is FUN!

But, yes, Minea, for you it is SO DIFFICULT. Maybe they should build a statue ... to remind all Finland how exceptionally HARD-WORKING student you are!

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 11:11
Legeon,

come to Silver Waters, I am telling you third time already. There is nothing interesting in here anyway.

Minea, who pretends to be the MOST HARDWORKING student in the universe... yet her STUDIES does not interest her enough to watch TV news at home because she MUST watch them at school.
And 10 years old kid, who claimes that her parents are missusing her. Well, there is only one kind of business where 10 years old kid could earn that much money ... and yet to have an acess to an internet. Am I right?

So - come and let us have some fun!

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 11:21
Well, Isabell, and I almost missed this one:

"Is it rude (in your culture) to anwer when no one asks you? it should be! "

And yes, it is. We believe that "kids should be seen, but not heard". As a kid you are supposed not to speak in the presence of adults untill spoken to. Kid is deffinitely NOT expected to interffere adults talking - that is very RUDE and proves kid´s parents to do a very bad job with their parenting.

But - unlike you - I am not a kid anymore. :-)

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 12:38
"I read news when I am in school. And that "selling kids" did not appear.
So, tell me. What kind of selling it is about? "

Well, Minea,

few more years of studies and you will learn how to find information on a web, too.

I am no PROFFESIONAL - but I just googled "Haiti - selling kids" on our national provider and many articles did pop up.

In one of them they say that one baptist group was collecting kids to sell them for 10.000 USD a piece. In another article they said that they did put in jail 10 americans for trying to get 33 kids illegally out of the country.

There are many interesting articles about selling kids (or better said their organs), too.

But few more years and they will teach you how to "google", do not worry.

LOL. By the look of it there is apparently NO future for poor finish journalism...

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 13:05
mermaid:

I will not even read whole shit you did write. You still don't understand a thing. Don't take that drugs anymore it damages your brain. Soon will nothing left.

I'M NOT 10 YEARS OLD!!!! GET IT????!!!!

"And 10 years old kid, who claimes that her parents are missusing her"

And tell me where have i written so?

You wasted 8 years of your life at university. And then you spread your stupidity on innocent kids.

Does you boss (if you have one) know what you're doing in you worktime?

Isabell wrote on 15.02.2010 at 14:32
for you mermaid another chance to learn smth, try not to miss it:

immature: 1. not fully grown or developed; not mature: an immature body. 2. (used about person) not behaving as as sensibly as you would expect for a person of that age: Some students are very immature when they go to university.

Isabell wrote on 15.02.2010 at 14:39
@ Legeon

"They DO laugh at Tarja.They say "Turunen sorrow",and that is sarcasm.Deal with it."

It depends how the reader interprets Turus sorrow. I showed that picture to my sister and she said that part was laughing at people who were still upset because Tarja was fired. And then she said that the text below the picture (the cartoon guy's reply) was laughing at the whole drama in the media.

Of course you interpreted it as if Tarja was laughed at. It's only natural.

@ mermaid

"I see that you really are NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer, so I will type this very slowly ...and you can ask somebody to help you understand."

You don't need to praise yourself all the time. It started to be boring long time ago.

"In one of them they say that one baptist group was collecting kids to sell them for 10.000 USD a piece. In another article they said that they did put in jail 10 americans for trying to get 33 kids illegally out of the country."

Ah, I remember this news. Those Baptists were Americans. Yep, ten American Baptists tried to take those 33 kids illegally.

But not a single word about Haiti selling kids. Not in Finnish media nor in English media. If that was true it would have been huge news everywhere. And I hardly doubt any country would sell kids.

----------

Joda, are you still around? The taekwon-do competition was on Saturday and guess what? I won bronze from sparring! o/

Minea wrote on 15.02.2010 at 17:47
@mermaid

Sorry,i can't come to the forum yet.I'm on exam period(a really hard one) and i can only come here very few times during a day.

@Minea

So,according to you,a person that doesn't agree with you is "natural" to see it that way BUT a person that,just so happens to be your sister,agrees with you,is an objective judge?...
I'm not trying to be offensive,but this doesn't make any sense.Why should your sister or anyone be more(or less)objective than me or anyone else?

And since when what your sister says is the right argument about this picture?I could say here what my boyfriend said,but it simply doesn't make any sense!

Still,you didn't answer me:why didn't they choose Tuomas' name?I suppose it's just a coincidence right?...

Legeon wrote on 15.02.2010 at 18:16
poor little Isabell wrote on X3 inteview thread that:

"I'm 10 years old and i pay my bills, live with my parents. am i adult? ...
Isabell wrote on 02.02.2010 at 15:59 "

Yet, by the look of it she does not remember anymore she is 10 years old. So sad... So, they gave you drugs, too. Hm.
Or you turned ELEVEN last week?

And no, Isabell,

EDUCATION is not a WASTE of time. Though, in your "business" you might be brainwashed to believe that. And no, Isabell, you can not teach me anything, poor child.

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 18:40
No, Minea,

I am not praising myslef or milions of students who does the same like I did. There is no need for praising something what IS perffectly NORMAL.

I am just saying that YOU ARE NOT.

And no, if you are not able AND/OR

you are way too lazy to search for news yourself, I will not be your servant. And yes, it was a huge news. Almost as big as the one from the year 2008 - about 300 ths children forced Haitian kids forced into slavery ...

Actually, the news about selling kids for organs "in large numbers" was citating Haiti Prime minister Bellerive, so maybe you should claim that he did not tell YOU personally. BASTARD.

mermaid wrote on 15.02.2010 at 18:51
@ Legeon

"So,according to you,a person that doesn't agree with you is "natural" to see it that way BUT a person that,just so happens to be your sister,agrees with you,is an objective judge?..."

I did not say anything like that.

"And since when what your sister says is the right argument about this picture?I could say here what my boyfriend said,but it simply doesn't make any sense! "

Same here.

"Still,you didn't answer me:why didn't they choose Tuomas' name?I suppose it's just a coincidence right?..."

Because Tuomas's name was not filling the main titles. He was not the victim.

@ mermaid

"I am not praising myslef or milions of students who does the same like I did. There is no need for praising something what IS perffectly NORMAL."

Normal for you but not so normal for all of the people.

"I am just saying that YOU ARE NOT."

Thanks, doc.

"And no, if you are not able AND/OR

you are way too lazy to search for news yourself, I will not be your servant. And yes, it was a huge news. Almost as big as the one from the year 2008 - about 300 ths children forced Haitian kids forced into slavery ..."

I did search and this is the only kid selling news I found: http://www.datehookup.com/Thread-410265.htm

Well, seems like you are not kind enough to explain me this huge "Haiti selling their kids" news I asked my mother about that. She follows the news all the time and she said there hasn't been any kind of huge news about Haiti selling kids. Only about people kidnapping kids and selling them. Nothing about Haiti as a country selling their kids.

"Actually, the news about selling kids for organs "in large numbers" was citating Haiti Prime minister Bellerive, so maybe you should claim that he did not tell YOU personally. BASTARD."

Yes, kids have been sold in Haiti but not by the country itself.

So, I think you just did not think how to write about this news so you wrote it in a form that can be easily misunderstood: "Haiti selling kids". It would have been better to write fro example "kids sold in Haiti".

But I have a question: what does this have to do with sponsored kids?

Minea wrote on 15.02.2010 at 20:11
@ Minea

Hey, big huggle and congrats! :D Did you have fun? How have you been?

I just downloaded the whole soundtrack of FFXIII - goddammit this cherishes my ears. <3

Eden Under Siege:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHz5VqhiQfw

If this is not epic game music then WHAT is? o_O Go Warsaw Philharmonic Orchestra!!

Snow's Theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tXtDMdhhIY

Snow seems to be a badass guy so this guitar song fits him perfectly. :)

Joda wrote on 15.02.2010 at 20:38
mermaid with every next comments to me you only proof how stupid you are. And still of course don't give a shit to understand what i wrote. If they didn't teach you thinking and look at things from different perspective yeah it's waste of time, your and them. Learning by heart is waste of time too.

Don't insult my parents coz you don't know them. Little respect for people who are older than you.

I know i can't teach you anything, it's hard to teach sb anything if he/she doesn't want to and doesn't understand what sb is talking to him/her.

I'm suprised that you collect everything what i have written but i'm not suprised that you didn't understand that i played a joke on you.

Isabell wrote on 15.02.2010 at 21:19
@ Joda

"Hey, big huggle and congrats! :D Did you have fun? How have you been?"

Thanks a lot! :) I had a lot of fun cheering for my training friends. Our club got bunch of medals.

I haven't felt well after the competition but I'm getting better. I think my body didn't like that I lost 3 kilos in one week to be able to compete in sparring. But it was worth it since I won bronze. ^^ I won't do that kind of weight losing anymore. :P

"I just downloaded the whole soundtrack of FFXIII - goddammit this cherishes my ears. <3"

I downloaded it weeks ago and it's definitely cool. Music is much more better than in Final Fantasy 7 and 8 that were on PlayStation 1 and Final Fantasy 10 that was on PlayStation 2, though there are few songs that are quite catchy. Boring but catchy. :D

For example:

Mako Reactor (FF7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGVg_nsYktQ

Under the Rotting Pizza (FF7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-kKtS44LB8

Cosmo Canyon (my personal favorite in this game) (FF7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei3i996VsNQ

Listen to the Cries of the Planet (FF7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laOM3UwIXBA

Who... Are You? (FF7):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV67Ee9kmRg

Oh, this list could go on forever. But I'll add some songs from FF10 and then I'm done. xP

Out of the Frying Pan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQq2nMLeSDU

Auron's Theme:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4iwYgd9N3Y

Servants of the Mountain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooA7CNbFne8

A Fleeting Dream (my personal favorite in this game):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFnKAPNcqog

Summoned Beast Battle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3uCmM3sF5Y

When it's about Final Fantasies, I could talk about them endlessly. Don't know why for sure, maybe they just have had a big influence on me. :P

I can't say anything about music in FF8 since I could play only the first CD. The rest three are mystery to me because the second CD doesn't work at all. Well, maybe I'll buy the game from PlayStation network on some day. I hear it costs only about 10 euros. Right now I'm saving my money for FFXIII. It'll cost only 44.40 euros to me and it will mean 50-60 hours gaming to walk through the story and same 50-60 hours to complete the sidequests. Not bad, because movies cost about 20-25 euros on nowadays and they last only few hours. Thus I find games being better to waste my money. ^^

Nah, long and boring text again but hopefully you were able to read it, Joda. :)

Minea wrote on 17.02.2010 at 21:41
@ Minea

No prob at all! I always like to read other people's thoughts about FF series. And that list of yours was quite good, though I would have added some more songs. The Hymns of the Fayth, for example. Those classical singers are just amazing. Shiva and Bahamut are my favourites. :)

Shiva: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuuqsOdPHL8
Bahamut: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50RR2gQmJT0

Btw, these are the lyrics.
Japanese:
"Ieyui
Nobomenu
Renmiri
Yojuyogo
Hasatekanae
Kutamae"

English translation:
"Pray
Saviour
Dream
Child of Prayer
Forever? and ever
Bring us peace"

Joda wrote on 18.02.2010 at 16:45
@ Joda

Sure they sound nice but I'm not a fan of classical singing. :/ Fortunately the sound quality in the game is not as good as in those videos so their singing doesn't hurt my ears.

But I must say that Bahamut is a cool Summon in FFXIII. As you can see in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVQtiLBhHM0
"You're good, sunshine!" :D

Minea wrote on 19.02.2010 at 15:59
Good point actually, Helen: How can anything be shaped like a flower fragrance? Well, except for some synaesthetes I suppose ...

Almagest wrote on 07.03.2010 at 00:33

NIGHTWISH's 'Amaranth' Single Available As Flower-Fragrance-Shaped Picture Disc

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