NIGHTWISH Singer To Perform With THE RASMUS In Austria

16.11.2009

NIGHTWISH frontwoman Anette Olzon will join the Finnish rock band THE RASMUS on stage this Friday, November 20 at The Dome 52 in Graz, Austria to perform THE RASMUS' new single, "October & April". The concert will be broadcast on Germany's RTL 2 station on November 27.

THE RASMUS's video for "October & April", which features a guest appearance by Olzon, can be viewed below. The track was released as a single on November 11.

In a September 2008 interview with Italy's Musica Metal, THE RASMUS singer Lauri Ylönen stated that the idea for the song came to him nine years ago when Tarja Turunen was still the lead singer of NIGHTWISH, but he only got around to recording the track during the sessions for last year's "Black Roses" CD. "I actually asked Tarja, but she said no!" Lauri revealed. "Then I called Anette, and she was like, 'Yeah, I would love to sing a song with you, I'm a big RASMUS fan, actually two years ago before I joined NIGHTWISH, I was singing THE RASMUS songs in karaoke bars!' so we went with her."

"October & April" was not included on "Black Roses" because the CD was a concept effort and the song didn't fit in with the overall idea for the album. Instead, the track will make its debut on THE RASMUS' "Best of 2001-2009", a compilation of all the hit songs from their four latest albums, including the million-selling "In The Shadows", most of the singles and a few rarities.

Due on November 25, "Best of 2001-2009" features the following track listing:

01. In The Shadows
02. No Fear
03. Guilty (U.S. mix)
04. October & April (featuring Anette Olzon)
05. First Day Of My Life
06. Livin' In A World Without You
07. F-F-F-Falling
08. Chill
09. Immortal
10. Justify
11. Shot
12. Funeral Song
13. Ghost of Love
14. Open My Eyes (acoustic version)
15. In My Life
16. Ten Black Roses
17. Sail Away

Commented Lauri: "We felt it was time to sum up these past ten years. Eero said, let's call the album, 'This is how I spent my twenties.' No matter how stupid it sounded, that is pretty much the truth. We went on this crazy rollercoaster ride; it has been an amazing time. We have travelled to more than 60 countries, from India to Siberia, met thousands of fans all over the world and enthusiastic people working with our records. And when I look back on these last four records, I feel very proud of them. We decided to include most of the singles to the album with a couple of our favorite album tracks, and the new song 'October & April'."

Source: Blabbermouth.net

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Lets see how many comments will be about the news against how many comments about 2005 events....

lmcb wrote on 16.11.2009 at 19:59
his so awesome... her fantastic!!!

Polly wrote on 16.11.2009 at 20:02
Please let her keep doing that. Being on stage with The Rasmus. And then let her be OFFstage with Nightwish.

And thanks MFF =D Now I know what concert of The Rasmus I definitely should NOT watch. =D You saved my ears and eyes!

Erica wrote on 16.11.2009 at 20:05
:D:D:D:D:D
Lmcb, you're right - let's see how many people will comment in the next week, hahahaha. But really, don't think this can collect more than 200 comments, no way.. ;) Unless, of course, Annette goes to sue somebody, or she gets sued by somebody. But if she says she can't God-knows-what on the street would do as well. :lol:

vikingsoul wrote on 16.11.2009 at 21:12
haha maybe she'll "accidently" fall off stage and sue The Rasmus! That sneaky Annette!

Hayley wrote on 16.11.2009 at 21:53
Anette really should stay in Rasmus, it is her level. Ah, maybe even too good for her.
Let's see how she will manage to sing this simple song live :)

Teresa wrote on 16.11.2009 at 23:01
I hope Anette will perform with the Rasmus in Finland. I would be glad to see them on stage. :)

Ärräpää wrote on 16.11.2009 at 23:16
Lauri, please take Anette to your band, she belongs there :)

Z. wrote on 16.11.2009 at 23:31
Stay in Rasmus Anette, it is your thing.

Vincent wrote on 16.11.2009 at 23:32
Go Anette! Stay with The Rasmus, as you say this is the band that you really love, even before knowing the golden opportunity of getting rich and famous with Nightwish. Leave NW for someone who actually loves the band and can sing! :)

Moonchild wrote on 17.11.2009 at 05:11
Well, the last one got to 175. Let's see how far this one goes.

Jeremy wrote on 17.11.2009 at 07:04
this song is simply, but it sounds good with Anette

celisajan wrote on 17.11.2009 at 09:12
It's just a matter of time anymore. Now, we wait.

Jaussi wrote on 17.11.2009 at 10:50
@ Teresa: I'm pretty sure that at a pop show like The Dome (cause that's what it is, she fits there well), they won't do the song live, but with playback. As far as I know, most acts there are doing so. So all she can ruin is singing playback by not doing it properly :)

Morpheus wrote on 17.11.2009 at 11:40
Have fun with Ramus! See you on next Nw tour! :)

Gazer wrote on 17.11.2009 at 13:41
Dont forget. Dome performances are played from playback :/ Like all in German/Austria.

DeEscapist wrote on 17.11.2009 at 14:16
"I actually asked Tarja, but she said no!" Lauri revealed. "Then I called Anette, and she was like, 'Yeah, I would love to sing a song with you, I'm a big RASMUS fan, actually two years ago before I joined NIGHTWISH, I was singing THE RASMUS songs in karaoke bars!' so we went with her."

Oh, of curse, here we go again with the Diva stuff. I think that these people want to do everything to ruin Tarja's reputation. Well "f**** you" its not working, everybody knows that its a LIE.

Anette should stay with The Rasmus cuz its filled with lame musicians just like her.

Ragnarök wrote on 17.11.2009 at 15:55
Very nice simply song but it works!Some people wish here "something" but they all (Rasmus,Anette,Nightwish) know what they gonna do...our opinion don't affect nothing so everybody have to live with that fact even it's not acceptable!

Jimmie wrote on 17.11.2009 at 15:58
Aaaaarggg!! Get over it! She is NW singer and she will stay in NW. And thanks God for that!

Alucard wrote on 17.11.2009 at 16:47
I know what you guys mean about Anette being better suited to The Rasmus's kind of music, but she should not stay with them. It would ruin The Rasmus.

Apocalyptigasm wrote on 17.11.2009 at 16:51
"Anette should stay with The Rasmus cuz its filled with lame musicians just like her."

Offends, offends offends....

Someone said to me: this is not a NW-Fan site...
thats right!!
In my opinion this is a NW and Anette offend and mock Site...!!

Some people like the songs from The Rasmus...they are lame people , too???

What a holy shit here!!

MFF Staff: "In my opinion this is a NW and Anette offend and mock Site...!!"

And in MFF's opinion this Website is neither. MFF isn't a website based on any Finnish band in particular, but on every band that has Finnish roots.
People are allowed to leave their comments here and we don't take any sides.

celisajan wrote on 17.11.2009 at 19:35
For somebodys ears here(my ears, too) Anette sounds good in this song and she sounds good in the song from Pain...

The old songs from NW...they are better with Tarja(in my opinion)

But the new ones and this songs are really ok!!!

celisajan wrote on 17.11.2009 at 19:41
Ah, so the shows at The Dome are performed with playback!!!! Lol, ok, really she needs to try not to sing playback properly. :)))

Apocalyptigasm, I agree with you, Rasmus is too good for Anette :))

SnowWhiteSorrow wrote on 17.11.2009 at 19:58
It's a nice, popish song, but I find it a bit simple, somewhat boring. I like the video concept though.

Teri wrote on 17.11.2009 at 20:16
She so fits the Rasmus, she definately should stay there :)

Bella wrote on 17.11.2009 at 20:28
@celisajan

"In my opinion this is a NW and Anette offend and mock Site...!! "

Why don't you mention the "Tarja offend and mock" too?

Oh,i forgot.You have double standards.You only whine when people mock Anette.

Legeon wrote on 17.11.2009 at 21:06
The song is hell poppish, boring and average :) Rasmus has far better songs.
Video clip also is not so original.
But since it will be performed in playback, what's the point in live singers there -they could stay home, and audience could enjoy playback :)

Villie wrote on 17.11.2009 at 21:17
Thanks God Tarja said no. :D

Mwaha wrote on 17.11.2009 at 21:19
she should definitely join them...permanently!

Lauri "We have travelled to more than 60 countries, from India to Siberia!" Wow! His geography knowledge is brilliant!I don't think that I'll be able to name 60 countries between Siberia and India!

Kostik_from_BLR wrote on 17.11.2009 at 21:58
I'd like them to actually play this song live. I know how the whole thing with playback/backing track goes on TV shows, but hopefully it won't be that way this time.
The song is alright; indeed, it's so light, I almost feel guilty for liking it. :)) But I always find an extra spark in live performances, so maybe it's gonna get even better live. Also, it's one of the few Rasmus tracks that I dig, I wish they'd do more stuff like this.

Cristabel wrote on 17.11.2009 at 22:01
Anette sounds goog, like in the two songs with PAIN. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRbv4O65vBo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg-Vt3VnJFc

Klena wrote on 17.11.2009 at 22:08
Sorry Legeon
but did you read any Tarja mocking here????
One??? No!!

celisajan wrote on 17.11.2009 at 22:25
Too poppy and boring. Not best Rasmus song.
But Anette fits such band like Rasmus :) Maybe she would join them.

Lucy wrote on 17.11.2009 at 22:26
Poppish song all the way, boring and not original indeed, but Anette fits pop so if she would join Rasmus and would do such songs, that would be really good.

Veronica wrote on 17.11.2009 at 23:19
Such a mainstream pop song, and very boring video. Well, playback would be ok for it :)

Dan wrote on 17.11.2009 at 23:29
celisajan wrote on 17.11.2009 at 19:35
"Someone said to me: this is not a NW-Fan site...
thats right!!
In my opinion this is a NW and Anette offend and mock Site...!! "

Not really. The site is neat, and helpful.
There is however, a small group, of pure retards, who invest most of their precious existence, into spam-comments, on every NW related article. You can either, make fun of them, by entering a discussion, and throw some controversy upon it. Or you can simply ignore them, as if they don't exist. Which is partially correct, because outside of the internet, they really don't. ;-)

Just remember not, to blame it on the site. Obviously it's owner is not responsible, for every mentally disturbed individual, who surf the web.
Have fun !

DeadAndGone wrote on 18.11.2009 at 00:01
@celisajan

how more hypocritical can you be?

YOU SAID "Anette mock SITE".

You see,it was YOU that said "SITE",you didn't say THREAD.

Legeon wrote on 18.11.2009 at 01:24
By the way celisajan,it is highly unfair to attack MFF and accuse them of allowing mockery against Anette BUT you only include the threads that mock Anette.

MFF includes other pages too,where tarja is mocked too.So,the next time you want to accuse MFF,do it in a more clever way.

Because MFF isn't only THIS thread.But you accused the WHOLE MFF SITE.

Legeon wrote on 18.11.2009 at 01:26
There is only one person that has regularly mocked Tarja on this site, and that person has been ridiculed out of here, and rightly so, seeing as how his posts have been very acidic. You know who that poster is. Still, it's very clear that the number of Tarja fans that come here far outnumber the Olzon fans.

@Ragnarok:
I think you're misinterpreting his words. The guy's just saying that Tarja refused to do the song. Why are you instantly assuming that they are taking shots at Tarja?

It's pretty interesting how different people have responded to this.

Guy #1: "HA! That proves Tarja is the better singer! Of course they would ask her before NETTIE!"

Guy #2: "The Rasmus is trying to make Tarja look bad!"

???

Sampo wrote on 18.11.2009 at 01:39
I read an article about how Nightwish has been the biggest economic stimulus ever to hit Kitee, and that they have provided a lot of jobs ever since they went big. Could someone enlighten me on this?

Wow, I've never heard of a band having such an impact on the economy. Maybe Dethklok isn't so far off the mark!

Watch 4:42 on this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IONJpY4WY4k

"The recession is an ASSHOLE!"
--Nathan Explosion

Jeremy wrote on 18.11.2009 at 01:55
@Tero

Iam sorry for my mistake( my english is lousy:-(..)...I mean the NW Threads here..I don´t wan´t to blame MFF...I wouldn´t come here , if I don´t like MFF
And I know MFF is impartial!! :-)
-----------------
But some people here are hungry for some NW News for only to blame this people, thats a poor story!!
NW has this new singer since 2 years..and between this time I can say ok, this band isn´t anymore my favorit..thats no fault!
But everytime mocking about this members is..childish!!

@Legeon..when you need to defend Tarja, then go in this threads, where Tarjas -Mockers are and defend her there!!!
But here nobody said something bad about her!!!

I don´t offend Tarja ! I like her!! And I like Anette and NW...!! If some one comes in this thread an tell Tarja is a greedy diva-monster and Anette is the good girly and Tuomas is holy, than I say the same to him/her...offending is unfair!!

celisajan wrote on 18.11.2009 at 10:00
@celisajan

Do we not have the right to say that Anette's voice fits better to music like The Rasmus' than like the music of Nightwish? That is not mocking, it's called stating an opinion. So is saying things like "I don't think Anette is suitable to sing in Nightwish." or "Anette should leave Nightwish and join The Rasmus." You can disagree with that, sure, but it is not mocking.

Jaussi wrote on 18.11.2009 at 13:15
@Jaussi

Thats right, but to say The Rasmus is lame and Anette is lame...so is ask , when somebody don´t like this band or singer
why this people get EVERYDAY on the news threads of this bands..only to say how bad or lame these bands are..
I look in this NW threads here and find on EVERY NW NEWS the same people who are telling others how bad Anette is and how bad Tuomas is..In EVERY thread!! Why???
There always the same people who come with this coments like , we blame Anette, because others blame tarja...
thats not right!!!and thats childish...

If in Tarja news threads , people who are mocking about Tarja thats unfair , too..but than Legeon or the others , like him(her) go in this threads and help Tarja there, because this last threads here are about NW and Anette and not about Tarja!!!and I don´t read many bad words about Tarja here!!
s o I see no need to defend her !!!
Iam not a Tarja fan, but I like her voice and she got style in my opinion..but Iam not interest at her new songs...I can hear it, but this feeling , that I must have a cd from her, don´t comes to me!!
But I never said she is the bad one in this story, my opinion is: you can´t look behind the walls and PERHAPS she makes her own mistakes in this story!
The letter was a big mistake by NW..thats my opinion, too, but this is no reason to make such a revengeful fight in every thread of NW news

Anette isn´t the best, thats a fact, and her blog is like the blog from a 16 year old girly..
so I don´t read this blog anymore because her blabla doesn´t interest me...
Iam never going on a news thread from Britney Spears, because I don´t like her, I never want to get on a news thread from her only to tell the world that she is a stupid woman ..
I say , i don´t like her musik...and I say I don´t hear her musik, but I never offend her!!!

Thats the reason I must leave this thread now, because i feel something in me, who want´s to offend some people here, for their childish wargames here(so I start to stop this for me, because I need no revenge-fights )....!!

celisajan wrote on 18.11.2009 at 14:28
"I look in this NW threads here and find on EVERY NW NEWS the same people who are telling others how bad Anette is and how bad Tuomas is..In EVERY thread!! Why??? "

Guess what.It's because people here actually DON'T LIKE them and don't approve of what they do,and feel the need to criticize them.

BUT you do nothing to defend them about what people say.For example,if i say "Anette voice doesn't fit NW" or that she can't sing,i expect from others to post their opinion on that and why they think i'm wrong or right.

But what YOU do is ranting endlessly about how unfair is to offend blah blah blah...Well newflash:
1)The world isn't a fair place.Deal with it.
2)We don't care what YOU think about our mockery.If you wan to answer,do so with arguments.

You know,for someone that insists that this place is full of shit,you come back very in a very persistent way.

Legeon wrote on 18.11.2009 at 20:03
blablabla TARJA blablabla Princess blablabla MFF blablabla Anette blablabla Maestro blablabla Tarja blablabla LETTER blablabla blabla...................................BLA

judith wrote on 18.11.2009 at 20:47
@Sampo

You said: "I think you're misinterpreting his words. The guy's just saying that Tarja refused to do the song. Why are you instantly assuming that they are taking shots at Tarja?"

Read between the lines: they asked tarja, she said no (cuz she is a diva, heartless bitch, she only cares about money).

thay asked anette, she said yes (cuz she is down to earth, funny, an amazing person blah, blah)

If they werent taking shots at Tarja they shouldent even name her in the article, they should have answerd something like: Yeah, we asked Anette and she was instantly on board or something like that

Ragnarök wrote on 18.11.2009 at 21:13
Well, thing is, there will be an endless debate whether Anette's voice fits with Nightwish or not. It's obvious, though, that she has a harder time performing Nightwish songs than she does on the Rasmus or Pain ones. And it's pretty damn natural, she doesn't have to hit any F's or G's in those, she just sings in the most comfortable register for her, there's practically no challenge.
I think that's actually what drags her down so much in front of the listeners; they are accustomed to hear those songs sung in a head voice, which is supposed to hit F's without any difficulty and go up to an octave higher pretty efortlessly. While a G in belting voice is a damn rough thing to deal with; I remember Aretha Franklin's legendary A's. And Anette is no Aretha Franklin and she still does reasonably well on high belted notes. So anyway. I can't help getting involved in 'theoretical' matters.

Cristabel wrote on 18.11.2009 at 22:06
Well, I watched that video and close-ups of Anette's face scare me. She's very...odd looking.

Boring song and judging from what I've seen of this band, boring band as well. I think I'd fall asleep seeing them live and to add Anette in the mix...ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Yet, Anette sounds better than usual. She should stick with songs like this and stay far, far away from all cameras.

DarkWingsAscedning wrote on 18.11.2009 at 22:40
I think that telling people that Tarja refused the duet is HIGHLY unprofessional.Especially considering all the accusations and badmouthing Tarja faces.

If he was professional,he would not mention it.

Or let me ask this:WHY did he mention it?

About the song:
It's nothing special as a composition,it's only a generic rock ballad that are written by the dozens.
Her singing in it is the most simple that exists.She uses a technique that most people use(even when they're not singers) to sing.This pretentious "sweet" or "soft" voice is the easiest thing to do,even if you aren't a singer.

But what's even boring is the video.The just put these two on a moving runway and they just added the background.

As someone said on the NW forum,they should at least have them running instead of walking,it would be more interesting.

Legeon wrote on 19.11.2009 at 01:32
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_93IuP2jawcc/SwOhfCoieqI/AAAAAAAABwM/YIEJjFkt6ak/s1600/anette+tired+nov+18.jpg

C'mon tell me she doesnt look old!!!
The lazy eye will haunt my dreams forever

Ragnarök wrote on 19.11.2009 at 04:30
I remember I read the interview in Finnish some time ago. Lauri mentioned that the first person they asked to do the duet was Tarja but she refused. The journalist had asked why and Lauri mentioned name Marcelo Cabuli. Journalist had written it like "name Marcelo Cabuli came up". :)

Excalibur wrote on 19.11.2009 at 09:15
@ judith

"blablabla..."...HAHAHAA...LOL..I agree!...the best comment here so far...Keep on Rocking!

Jimmie wrote on 19.11.2009 at 10:01
she refused coz she probably hadn't time, that what Lauri says in every interview.

Isabell wrote on 19.11.2009 at 12:53
Lageon it's the same situation like with NW's version of Michael Nyman's song, Tou said that Nyman doesn't like his version so Tuo is unprofessial i don't think so or maybe Nyman is 'diva'. He just explained why they didn't release it earlier. it has nothing to do with professionalism or lack of it.

Isabell wrote on 19.11.2009 at 13:04
@Isabel

of course he is unprofessional for saying that!He should know that by telling that,all NW fans would attack Nyman and insult him...As it happened.

Legeon wrote on 19.11.2009 at 13:24
Excalibur wrote:

"I remember I read the interview in Finnish some time ago. Lauri mentioned that the first person they asked to do the duet was Tarja but she refused. The journalist had asked why and Lauri mentioned name Marcelo Cabuli. Journalist had written it like "name Marcelo Cabuli came up". :)"

You mean this interview:

http://www.voice.fi/index.php?option=com_sbsarticle&tmpl=blog&cid=8272&cat=1&mw=The%20Rasmus+Tarja%20Turunen+Anette%20Olzon

"The journalist had asked why and Lauri mentioned name Marcelo Cabuli"

You lie, it says "Lauri and Aki do NOT COMMENT on the reasons for Tarja's decision"

and then journalist written "name Marcelo Cabuli came up"
So ONLY journalist mention Marcelo Capuli not Lauri or Aki

snowman wrote on 19.11.2009 at 13:24
I would like to talk about the Letter now, would you?

For the records: I don't like Rasmus, the song is boring, I don't like this peachy sweet video, I hate The Dome and everything it represents. I do pray the Lord NW will never feel the urge to perform there.

@Legeon: Again, you are so wise and correct! Love ya mate! How do you do? What's the secret of your success. Which age did you get your lobotomy?
@Ragnarök: She's 39 for Christ sake! How sexist and macho can you get with your stupid comments. My wife is 36 and I would tear anybody in pieces making such comments about her.
@Sampo: you aren't talking about me? The "Tarja-Fat-Alien" incident? Anyway...same here.
@Celisajean: Bin eingie Tage weg und falle dann um wenn ich wieder all den Quatsch hier lese! :-)

OceanWithin wrote on 19.11.2009 at 14:35
The following words are in german, I know some persons are tired to of my german words, but this ok, this persons don´t must read it...

@OceanWithin

Schön mal wieder von dir zu lesen:-)

Ich habe nun einige threads einfach mal mitgelesen und auch geschrieben..und musste feststellen, egal welches Thema es eigentlich in Bezug auf NW war, alles endete mit: NW scheisse, Tarja einzigartig und wehe man sagt was dagegen!!
Dann ist man doof und unterbelichtet..
Ich habe mal versucht zu erklären,das auch vermeindlich im recht seiende manchmal unrechtes tun...
Ich wurde eines besseren belehrt: diese Leute tuen NIE was unrechtes...sie kämpfen nur für die Tarjagerechtigkeit ( und merken nicht mal mehr, wie ungerecht sie selber dabei sind)

Man darf zwischen den Zeilen lesen, das angeblich Tarja schlecht gemacht wird, aber man darf nicht zwischen den Zeilen lesen, wenn man für Anette oder NW spricht...Hhhhmmm ;-)
Man darf sagen wie verletzend es ist für Tarja wenn man soooo böse von ihr spricht,( dabei redet hier kein einziger wirklich schlecht über Tarja, mag sein woanders aber in den letzten Threads hier finde ich nichts schlimmes über sie)
aber über Anette darf man rotzen, denn sie hat es ja verdient, weil sie klein dick und hässlich ist- also ehrlich diese Gutmenschen die hier einen Rachefeldzug für ihre Göttin anstreben, fühlen sich sofort angepisst wenn man ein falsches Wort sagt, aber sie haben das Recht zu motzen...
Verkehrte Welt...

Das Lied hier ist einfach und Allerweltsmist, aber sie klingt nicht schlecht in dem Lied..und in ner ruhigen Minute klingt es für meine Ohren sogar recht angehm..es ist zwar schalala aber ich vertrag eben auch leichte Kost ;-)
The Dome ist was für kreischend Teenies, da kann ich nicht mithalten( zu alt für so einen Kram)

Kurzum ich habe keine Lust mehr, hier drin weiter zu lesen, denn es kommt ja sowieso nichts neues...
Und da ich ja eine Doppelmoral habe weil ich ja nicht Tarja sondern NW verteidige...bleibt mir nur die Flucht..sonst kommen die Mistgablschwingenden Rächer und jagen mich ins Hexenfeuer...

Hätte ich hier irgendwo in den letzten Threads was gelesen, was wirklich mies gegen Tarja gegangen wäre, dann hätte ich sie auch verteidigt, denn ich habe rein gar nichts gegen sie...
Legeron und die anderen schreiben ständig wie mies gegen Tarja gehetzt wird..warum gehen sie nicht da hin und verteidigen sie dort???? anstatt hier her zu kommen um mit den Leuten rum zu diskutieren, welche eigentlich gar nichts bis kaum was gegen Tarja haben???
Ich sage ja, das begreife ich nicht... aus einem Newsonlineforum für finnische Bands wird dank dieser Miesepeter ein Zickentreffpunkt für frustrierte Menschen deren Wunschtraum nicht in Erfüllung ging( das Tuomas und Tarja heiraten und auf ewig gemeinsam tiefgängige und ansprechende Musik machen;-)..)

Maybe in other threads are bad and narrowminded persons , they are mocking about Tarja, and this is not fair, too!!
But here the most of persons here are interessted for the NW News , because they like NNW and ONW, and its not a fault to like the new singer or the new songs!!!
Its no fault to like Tarja!!
But its sick to come to a news thread from a band, only to say how fat or ugly or lame the singer is!!!

celisajan wrote on 19.11.2009 at 16:33
@Oceanwithin

"She's 39 for Christ sake! How sexist and macho can you get with your stupid comments. My wife is 36 and I would tear anybody in pieces making such comments about her."

Yeah I know she is 39 (thanks for the news flash) and i dont care, what bothers me is not her age per se, what really gets on my nerv is that she acts like a dumbass teenager, uploading like a billion photos, talking about her PMS and clothes.
Shes on a metal band, she should really start to act like a metal singer not like a swedish version of paris hilton

Ragnarök wrote on 19.11.2009 at 17:13
@Ragnarök

Hahaha you are so right!!
That is the creepiest picture I have ever seen.

Valhalla wrote on 19.11.2009 at 18:20
So, a boring, poppish uncreative song, very MTV-ish video with teenage approach. Besides, video is not nicely shot since the female singer looks really bad here and the whole video has no plot or really beautiful picture.

Yeah, I heard Rasmus before and I remember some really better songs from this band before :) But I like that Lauri is not blonde here, like he was :)

Yeah, this singer definately fits this kind of simple poppish music. That's a fact and people just state there. Nothing new :)

Chris wrote on 19.11.2009 at 19:43
Boring song, boring video, Lauri is nice though, but Anette looks bad in that video, why did they screen her like that, she looks corny and older when Lauri.
Still her singing fits this song. Probably cause song is very, very simple.

Han wrote on 19.11.2009 at 19:47
@ snowman

Thanks for calling me a liar. Please read my message again; I wrote: "I remember" which mean there is a chance I could have remembered wrong, and I did.

In the interview Lauri and Aki did not comment what the reasons of Tarja's decision were. But they do mention Marcelo, like the journalist wrote. "Lauri and Aki do not comment on the reasons for Tarja's decision but name Marcelo Cabuli came out."

Are we done? :)

Excalibur wrote on 19.11.2009 at 20:44
@ Ragnarök

"Yeah I know she is 39 (thanks for the news flash) and i dont care, what bothers me is not her age per se, what really gets on my nerv is that she acts like a dumbass teenager, uploading like a billion photos, talking about her PMS and clothes.
Shes on a metal band, she should really start to act like a metal singer not like a swedish version of paris hilton"

Let me quote one song: "I am who I am and that's more than enough". Which mean we don't have the right to tell her how she should act. If we don't like the way she acts, we don't have to read her blog. It's as simple as that. ^^

Oh, and she is 38 if I may correct.

Crystalium wrote on 19.11.2009 at 20:51
@Ragnarök

I'm confused, aren't you excited to see 39-year-old woman act like teenager all the time?
I mean it shows that although the age of her body is not young anymore, her mental age is still pubic!!!! Maybe it would get even younger :)
And Paris Hilton is singer too, why Anette shouldn't copy Paris Hilton if Paris is such a great blonde singer?

I don't like this song and this video, not enough nudity here.

TT fan wrote on 19.11.2009 at 21:28
"Let me quote one song: "I am who I am and that's more than enough". Which mean we don't have the right to tell her how she should act. If we don't like the way she acts, we don't have to read her blog. It's as simple as that. ^^ "

Firstly, it is not more than enough, since she brings all that teenage-image on stage and media, not only in her blog:)

If she makes all that public herself, when people have right to comment it .
Ragnarok doesn't tell it straight to her- in her blog :) as Olzon doesn't like any critics in her blog towards her, she only loves praising :) He comments it on some board.

It is very simple indeed.

Z. wrote on 19.11.2009 at 22:02
This video sucks. Too pop. Too flat. Anette looks bad here :( Song is ok only thanks to Lauri.

-heart- wrote on 19.11.2009 at 22:03
What a poppish song with a poppish video, geez.
Still Anette Olzon ispop singer, loves pop and fits pop, she should join some pop band and sing songs like that :)))

Eddie wrote on 19.11.2009 at 22:28
Pop all the way, that's why Anette fits it so well.

But song and video are so tasteless and boring, yack

Paul wrote on 19.11.2009 at 22:57
Anette does what fits her - pop song in pop video :))) Join Rasmus Anette or better some real hardpop band, you fit there better!!!
LOL

Mega-death wrote on 19.11.2009 at 23:54
Yeah, that's just for Anette, simple, not demanding pop kind of song. Still the song itself is very dull and the video to it-why are they walking all the time?! It is so boring.

As they will perfrom it with playback, it is even more boring....

Darkside wrote on 19.11.2009 at 23:59
How Anette looks in this video is indeed not good...She looks swollen.

This video is supposed to show a man and a woman that represent a couple in love...
What we see here is a man and his mum.

Legeon wrote on 20.11.2009 at 00:41
@Excalibur

Yeah, but journalist does not say who mention Capuli?

I found second interview

http://areena.yle.fi/audio/470555

Lauri not to mention Marcello Capuli he just thinks that perhaps Tarja was busy or something.

So I think journalist has only added "little Nightwish drama" :)

snowman wrote on 20.11.2009 at 00:42
@Ragnarök: start acting like a singer of a metal band???!!! Now I am curious to hear about your "metal" clichés. Sure, I'd prefere a chick like Henriette Bordvil singing,,but what the hell....Or do you think it's "cooooool" to be drunk on stage, smash the guitar, cancel shows because you can't sing.....o. Please dear! Make my weekend and tell me more about your little metal bubble world you're living in.

@Legeon: Still waiting a picture of you to publically judge your looks! Since you surely look like a mix of Miss Greece and Aishwarya Rai, don't be afraid.

@Celisajan: HAllo...Gott, muss mal auf den Sirenia und Tristania Foren und Threads nachschauen ob da auch solche Scheisse geredet wurde als Monika die raue Henriette und Mariangela die jute Vibeke ersetzt haben! Nunje, hast du die Beauty and the Beast Tour gesehn ( mit Sirenia, Leave's Eyes, SoP, Atrocity... ).

OceanWithin wrote on 20.11.2009 at 11:41
@ snowman

"Yeah, but journalist does not say who mention Capuli?"

Yes he/she does, without Lauri's or Aki's name. He/she wrote the non-commenting and Marcelo's name in the same sentence so at least I as a native Finnish speaker assumed that the boys mentioned his name themselves.

Firaga wrote on 20.11.2009 at 11:47
She's so going to ruin an already boring show... lame... XD

Who? wrote on 20.11.2009 at 14:33
"This video is supposed to show a man and a woman that represent a couple in love...
What we see here is a man and his mum."

Maybe that song in fact is supposed to be about mum and her son, and how she loves him, no? :)
Cause indeed, for love couple they look two different, I mean, age-wise, she looks like she is his mother and the whole thing looks kinda funny, besides, they have something in common in looks :)

@OceanWithin
Lol, look at Floor Jansen or Simone Simmons, they don't get so drunk on stage or smash the guitar on regular basis, but they act quite decent and cool, although they can be funny or cheaky sometimes, still they do not act like some tasteless pop singer with stupid teenage attitude, lol

Telma wrote on 20.11.2009 at 15:12
Anette is so pop, she definately should join some pop band and do songs like this :) The only good thing about this video is Lauri himself, he looks better in this video than Olzon, she is indeed too swollen :)

Xena wrote on 20.11.2009 at 15:15
@OceanWithin

Ummm...What?Why do you expect from me to criticize my looks here?Is it on topic?Did anyone ask me?Or did anyone else criticized his/her looks?

But since you DO ask me,i might tell you that i am not the perfect woman,or a beauty queen(actually my mother was,and i'm so jealous of her looks-she looks like Uma Thurman...).
I have only said that my body shape is hourglass,that's all.
But i don't get

Legeon wrote on 20.11.2009 at 15:35
@OceanWithin

Ummm...What?Why do you expect from me to criticize my looks here?Is it on topic?Did anyone ask me?Or did anyone else criticized his/her looks?

But since you DO ask me,i might tell you that i am not the perfect woman,or a beauty queen(actually my mother was,and i'm so jealous of her looks-she looks like Uma Thurman...).
I have only said that my body shape is hourglass,that's all.
So,since you ask,i am tall,hourglass figure,but that's all.Nothing special.Brown eyes and brown hair,nothing special...Oh i'm also 20,which saves me from wrinkles and things like that.
In the MFF forum i have my photo as an avatar,you can check if you're soooo interested.

But i don't get why you need to compare me with Olzon-being beautiful or ugly gives or takes from a person the right to judge another person's look?

But i forgot.You have NO arguments.

So ask me---what has MY LOOKS to do with how Olzon looks?

Legeon wrote on 20.11.2009 at 15:38
@Telma: Floor and Simone as reference....baaad example. Check their regular tweets on Twitter.

@Legeon: You simply don't get my point, forget it! You are beautiful honey!

OceanWithin wrote on 20.11.2009 at 16:48
@Oceanwithin:

""start acting like a singer of a metal band???!!! Now I am curious to hear about your "metal" clichés. Sure, I'd prefere a chick like Henriette Bordvil singing,,but what the hell....Or do you think it's "cooooool" to be drunk on stage, smash the guitar, cancel shows because you can't sing.....o. Please dear! Make my weekend and tell me more about your little metal bubble world you're living in""

Dude, what kind of things Tarja post on her blog: the concert was like this, the set list was like this, the audience was like that, etc, etc.

Sharon den Adel, Simone Simons, Alissa White-gluz, Ailyn, Cristina Scabbia, Mariangela Demurtas, Angela Gossow, all of these women dont have a blog. And all of these singer are younger, more beautiful, and way more talented than the PMS princess will ever be.

Nettie acts on her blog like a thirteen year old kid that just found out how to use facebook. On stage you watch her perform a powerfull song like "Ghost Love Score" (with her horrible squeaky vocie) but shes wearing a stupid pink skirt. And she also dances like a retard with epilepsy or like if somebody put a firecracker up her ass.

And lets not forget the fact that she doesnt even like metal music.

Ragnarök wrote on 20.11.2009 at 16:59
@OceanWithin
"Floor and Simone as reference....baaad example. Check their regular tweets on Twitter. "

No, not bad example at all.
They don't have blogs same as Olzon, and not only in form.
Simone on Twitter writes twice less, twice shorter, doesn't post like crazy her pictures of herself- from mirror reflection , pictures of her body parts a lot, doesn't show off her every new clothes (though she is much younger and much more beautiful, with better taste), she doesn't make vast lectures about love and peace and music etc. Not to mention she started her own web site only in May 2009 after 7 years in Epica and she got her own Twitter in July 2009, also after 7 years with the band.
BTW, she is not releasing any solo albums so far :)
Floor writes even less in Twitter, also doesn't have megalomania in posting pictures of her own self made by mobile, showing off new clothes, talking about shopping like she has fad on it - and all the time Floor got her Twitter only in October 2009, after After Forever got disbanned and she started her own band :) BTW, Floor is also younger when Olzon :) Still she acts more mature.

Olzon could really study from Simone and Floor how not to be blog-teenaged-like-self-obsessed-woman :)
Not to mention she could learn from them how to be really good singer in metal/rock.

Also Sharon den Adel from Within Temptation, even better example - she doesn't have any blogs or Twitters, WT as band has their Twitter, but not Sharon :)

Telma wrote on 20.11.2009 at 17:53
This video is too poppy and too mawkish :(

Deadache wrote on 20.11.2009 at 17:57
@Ragnarök

You are right, Olzon acts like total teenager who is obsessed with shopping and herself.
But at the same she posted about peace,love and suffering and other stuff, and how much she tells all the time "I'm that, I'm this" - ok, that is huge narcissism already. Actually I was stunned to find out what is her blog mainly about that kind of stuff and in such quantities O_o

Paradise seeker wrote on 20.11.2009 at 18:39
Don't like this song and this video. That's for some pop channel for emo teenagers.

Clair wrote on 20.11.2009 at 18:40
Boring song, boring video :(

Dorothy wrote on 20.11.2009 at 19:46
This song is a very beautiful ballad, in my opinion. I fell in love with it immediately. :)

Love Anette's soft voice!

Tosca wrote on 20.11.2009 at 20:57
B-o-r-i-n-g! Song has no inspiration, it is just simple pop song with not really original video. But Lauri can do much better!

D'oh wrote on 20.11.2009 at 21:08
About the video:
-Concept good (darkness vs brightness) :))
-Poor execution (bad special effects) :((
-Repetitive :((

About the music:
-Good, fitting voices :))
-Good Poetry :))
-Repetitive lyrics :((

lmcb wrote on 20.11.2009 at 21:34
Heii BTW this is Tuomas's house

http://www.seiska.fi/viihdeuutiset/_a104049/nain+upeasti+asuu+nightwishtuomas/

Wishmaster wrote on 21.11.2009 at 01:02
Video's kinda boring, but it's got a nice concept. Anette's voice sounds very nice, but it really doesn't go well with the guy's (my apologies, I'm not familiar with this band.) They don't really harmonize very well. Anette really doesn't look too good here: not sure if that's the excessive piercings, the dress, the hair, or what, but something's off, and I can't quite figure out what it is...eh, whatever. What really matters is her voice, which sounds nice. She's really improved as a singer.

TheVoiceInYourHead wrote on 21.11.2009 at 03:54
" "Let me quote one song: "I am who I am and that's more than enough". Which mean we don't have the right to tell her how she should act. If we don't like the way she acts, we don't have to read her blog. It's as simple as that. ^^ " "

Of course we don't have the right to tell her how she should act, like noone has the right to tell US how to act. The difference between Anette on the one part and us on the other is that we are not constantly exposing ourselves in the public eye, therefore it's unlikely that we receive any serious criticism. When you have a public blog and you show everyone how you look everyday, what you are wearing, how your hair is, it's inevitable that some people will criticize you.

And one more thing. I will be the last person to say that we should follow cliches and stereotypes. BUT - just like it's not quite right if a lawyer goes to the court wearing a disco glam suit, the same way it's not quite right when a metal singer appears on stage wearing pink tutus and funny hair straps. And before someone jumps on me saying that it is music we are talking about and not business, let me remind you that it was Anette first who put her role under the business label, when she consantly talked about Nightwish as being 'a job'. Well in the essence that's what it is, a job, but personally I would expect from an artist to be more sensitive about what she supposedly loves so much doing.

Sin wrote on 21.11.2009 at 15:03
Sampo: The Tarja fans/NW critics haven't always outnumbered the Anette/New NW fans here. It used to be different, but criticism and NW's actions that validated the criticism have changed that. I've actually seen lots of comments on MFF where people said they used to like Anette but got disenchanted with her vain and unprofessional behaviour and weak stage performances.

By the way, I used to be one of relatively few people who didn't like new NW on the German part of Tarja's official forum and was even attacked for criticising them. Now it's the same - no-one defends them anymore.

Jeremy said:

"I read an article about how Nightwish has been the biggest economic stimulus ever to hit Kitee, and that they have provided a lot of jobs ever since they went big. Could someone enlighten me on this?"

I didn't know that for sure, but over on the other thread I've actually concluded the same thing.

celisajan said:

"I don´t offend Tarja ! I like her!! And I like Anette and NW...!! If some one comes in this thread an tell Tarja is a greedy diva-monster and Anette is the good girly and Tuomas is holy, than I say the same to him/her...offending is unfair!!"

If you had actually EVER done that, a single time, and Tarja-bashing HAS happened recently, people would begin to take you more seriously. Just a little hint.

DarkWingsAscedning: Anette should have stayed a background singer for their childhood friends Cloudscape (a band that actually seems to be pretty good).

Crystalium: Why should no-one be allowed to criticise Anette? Every dumbass on the Internet who has no clue what's going on feels free to comment on and insult Tarja and her husband, too, after all.

OceanWithin: The guys who try so hard to fulfil the metal clichés now and are drunk on stage, whose frontwoman cannot sing and runs off stage with no reason, etc., are NW, remember?

I've seen a photo of Legeon and she is pretty indeed. I leave it as a task to you to find it, it's not hard to find in fact.

Twittering isn't the same as blogging - Simone is not nearly as verbose and childish.

Almagest wrote on 21.11.2009 at 21:32
DeadAndGone said:

"There is however, a small group, of pure retards, who invest most of their precious existence, into spam-comments, on every NW related article."

You've got to know it.

OceanWithin said:

"@Legeon: Again, you are so wise and correct! Love ya mate! How do you do? What's the secret of your success. Which age did you get your lobotomy?"

Fantastic. *claps and cheers*

You guys know how to lead a discussion.

Almagest wrote on 21.11.2009 at 21:42
@ Almagest

"OceanWithin: The guys who try so hard to fulfil the metal clichés now and are drunk on stage, whose frontwoman cannot sing and runs off stage with no reason, etc., are NW, remember?"

She obviously had a good reason because she was crying. We just don't know for sure what it was. :)

Crystalium wrote on 21.11.2009 at 23:32
Crystalium: Something worse than getting assaulted on stage? Hmm, what could that be?

Almagest wrote on 22.11.2009 at 07:03
"She obviously had a good reason because she was crying. We just don't know for sure what it was. :)"

Well, there were three different versions to explain it from NW's side :). Lol
And it was not professional from her side- cause she didn't pull herself together to return on stage after that and finish performance. That's what professionals do.
She is not only woman in metal/rock band, lots of other women in metal/rock bands had or have difficult time in touring and have their personal problems, but they still remained professionals and pulled themselves together when needed.

For example, Sharon den Adel performed while being pregnant, that's tough, but she didn't let emotional leaps or her physical health take over her performance :)

Dana wrote on 22.11.2009 at 16:20
"Something worse than getting assaulted on stage? Hmm, what could that be?"
Sometime physical shock and pain are not the worst thing that could happen to someone.
I personally don't believe the "she's been given the finger" shit either. There's that infamous video, somewhere in the beginning of the tour, where someone yells to her that she sucks, and she has no negative reaction to that, apparently she answered she loved him as well. So I think it was something more serious than we've been told (in all of the three versions, hehe) and most likely we'll never know.
Also, despite of the fact she talks tons about her hair and cats and all that, I don't think she's shown any unprofessional behavior, on stage, I mean. The best example I can give is the gig in Australia in 2007 I think, when she sounded really ill and straining badly and she still performed the whole show and all the higher parts in each song. Sometimes I think it would have been better if she hadn't, but her determination is admirable.
Also, she's not the only one who has left the stage. So did Simone, if I recall correctly.

Cristabel wrote on 22.11.2009 at 23:19
@ Dana

"Well, there were three different versions to explain it from NW's side :). Lol
And it was not professional from her side- cause she didn't pull herself together to return on stage after that and finish performance. That's what professionals do.
She is not only woman in metal/rock band, lots of other women in metal/rock bands had or have difficult time in touring and have their personal problems, but they still remained professionals and pulled themselves together when needed.

For example, Sharon den Adel performed while being pregnant, that's tough, but she didn't let emotional leaps or her physical health take over her performance :)"

Even professional performers are humans. If the pressure is way too heavy, anyone would have to do the same as Anette did. Every last one of us has his/her limits. :)

Crustalium wrote on 22.11.2009 at 23:58
@Crustalium

We don't mean that she doesn't have the right to have her limits.What we say is what her limits are,and she seems to have really low standards,if we think that Freddie Mercury performed with AIDS and pneumonia, Bruce Dickinson was bleeding all over his face(not to mention falling from a 2 meters high platform,landing on the drumkit,hurting his arm but still went on singing), Tarja performed after having told that her mother died...

No matter how much tired or stressed Anette was,it certainly doesn't equal with losing a relative,especially a mother.

BUT if you want my opinion,none of the explanations given is true.I don't believe that she was attacked by Tarja fans,i don't believe she was stressed,i don't believe that the smoking machine harmed her.
What i believe is that they just wanted to gather again media attention.What is better than a scandal with an abandoned show,and after that giving 3 different explanations?
It was the perfect scandal.

Legeon wrote on 23.11.2009 at 06:18
@ Legeon

God, and you know better than Anette is she stressed or not? The whole band was ready to be taken to madhouse after December. What makes you think they were not?

Crystalium wrote on 23.11.2009 at 12:39
Guys,Anette posted a very(not) interesting rant again on her blog about life and things like that...But also how people misunderstands what she says and THIS IS WHY she doesn't post deeper thoughts.

I won't comment on this,i only have to say that her manager knows how to put together beautiful teenager-friendly philosophies.

Legeon wrote on 23.11.2009 at 15:18
@Crystalium

Because then,the whole band would know what was wrong,being in the same position,and they wouldn't tell 3 different stories about what happened,one of them accusing Tarja's fans(and being a total lie,proven to be a lie from all the videos but also from people that were there).

Legeon wrote on 23.11.2009 at 15:20
It supposted to be an answer to lelayna comment. i copied it and posted here "NIGHTWISH Singer With THE RASMUS: Behind-The-Scenes Footage From 'October and April' Video" under lelayna post there is even interesting argue.

Isabell wrote on 23.11.2009 at 18:05
At Isabell's post in THE RASMUS threads i posted an answer,i would like to post it here too:

Isabell

Very good post.I don't know what the chances are she'll read it,but i would like to say that you expressed what most old Nightwish fans feel.I say old,because we are not any more and you just expressed one of the reasons.

I know that this band's advantage is the music,and that i shouldn't be distracted and influenced by one member's behavior,especially when that member has no contribution to the music produced,but Anette Olzon is the front face of this band.No matter how much we don't like it,it's the undeniable truth.When someone first listens to the band,the first thing he/she notices is the singer,not the keyboard player.

And now,according to the image the front face of the band wants to put on,this is a band concerned about clothing and money.

Anette should stop thinking as an individual.Of course she's just a woman and of course she can have her own blog and write whatever she wants,but she should not forget what she represents.No matter how much she wants it,her solo career hasn't started yet and she still remains the front face of this metal band called Nightwish,and she should start thinking about that and caring about the band's image and not just hers.

I tried really hard to like her,and even after seeing a hideous show i still went on trying.But after all this noise,and especially after seeing this blog i don't have the urge to try anymore.
Frankly,i don't know if she really is the kind of person she seems to be from her blog or she just uses it as a medium to be more attractive to teenage fans.
If it's the second,she should stop it because she ruins the image of a metal band.She's not an individual.Well,she is an individual,but she didn't become famous as an individual,she became famous through a band and she should behave as a member of a metal band.
if it's the first,then i'm terribly sorry for her.

Many people here accuse us of not having any lives and spending our time here,but the truth is that we do meaningful things.And we also do like coming here and discussing matters about our once favorite band.But after the computer's turned off,out thoughts about Anette or Tuomas are off too-we don't think about them because we have to deal with real life,a life with some more meaning that just shopping and going to the gym and having coffee breaks.

Anette,you say that you don't write deeper things because you know that people will misunderstand whatever you say and will try to make a fool out of you.
You have messed things up-people don't laugh at your "deeper" thoughts because they misunderstand you,they laugh because when you spend all your time trying to put on the image of a fashion victim and of a meaningless life,no one takes you serious when you try to say more serious things.

If you had started your blog by writing serious stuff and keeping it that way,no one would misunderstand you now.

Legeon wrote on 23.11.2009 at 18:37
Sorry Isabell,i just realized you didn't write that,it was this girl on Anette's blog.

Still,thanks for posting!

Legeon wrote on 23.11.2009 at 18:40
@Isabell

yes,it's actually very interesting to see the arguing under that post...

What amazes me is that,the people that stick up for Anette,they always say what THEY like and what THEY love...For example:
i love reading your blog
I love reading about fashion
i love your images of yourself

And things like that.

But no one talks about NW,no one is concerned about NW or how NW's image is ruined.

Legeon wrote on 23.11.2009 at 18:49
This Lelayna person posted again,when one of Anette fans was polite enough to say:

""Lelayna needs a man!!!!!!!""

Thankfully,Lelayna was smart enough to say what we had already been thinking:

"Wow, Anette, I thought that you didn't approve disrespectful comments here, and I tried to be as civil in my posts as possible, but I se? you don't have problem approving and posting disrespectful comments about others, haha.."

After that,a person called FirEdhel said this:

"Now, I'm assuming that if the quote above was directed at you that you wouldn't post it but since it is directed at someone who spoke out against you, it is ok to publish it all of a sudden? Are you ok with negativity against others here, then?...
But publishing posts that bash those who don't like you is just like saying that you're more important and better than everyone else. That no one can talk bad about you but can talk bad about others. It's hypocrisy..."

Anette didn't answer to all that,she just posted this today:

"I am truly happy that you, the ones reading my blog, are so open-minded and warm hearted to others, I am always amazed when I read how nice you all are towards each other and that is what I love about the blog."

Does this girl live in another planet or something?in another parallel reality?

Legeon wrote on 23.11.2009 at 18:58
@Cristable
"Sometime physical shock and pain are not the worst thing that could happen to someone."

Along with that comes mental humiliation, cause you've been attacked and sort of sexually abused, so there is both physical shock, pain and mental humiliation. Hardly there are things much worse, only if you got beaten up on stage :) But of course in that case- getting beaten up I mean- performer could be excused.
But Anette didn't have those things back then, also all three versions given, even in one combined, are not equally horrible or so bad that person wouldn't be able to return on stage and finish performance like real professional. We know that nobody died in Anette's family at that time. So any personal problems she should have kept to herself and not let them burs like that.

"she's shown any unprofessional behavior, on stage, I mean"

Actually she showed unprofessional behavior during this incident (also in lots of her dumb posts in blog, lol, but that's another story) and it is really totally unprofessional and there are lots of examples, Legeon gave them already, how other singers had really obvious difficult times while performing, more difficult than she had according to those three versions,but they pulled themselves together. Anette didn't do that- and that's unprofessional and very low class. And nothing less.

Simone had that tough time performing when she got MRSA, but doctors didn't discover that at the beginning and didn't even knew at the beginning what was wrong with her :) So that's different case with her.

@Crystalium
"Even professional performers are humans. If the pressure is way too heavy, anyone would have to do the same as Anette did. Every last one of us has his/her limits. :)"

Other singers are also live people, Anette is not the only "live person" in the world on metal/rock stage, but they had professionalism and kept up the perfromances, although it was hard for them :) Yeah, everybody has their limits but others have more guts and professionalism to handle with this limits and follow the professional rule "show must go on". Anette didn't have that and didn't show that.
She is not that professional. Although at this age it is about time.

Dana wrote on 23.11.2009 at 19:52
Anette first answered Lelayna that: "lelayna: I do publish comments here that are not rude or insulting me or anyone around me. I can take critique if its written in a nice manner. You have every right to say what you feel, but remember: there are no "rules" in how to be the singer in a band, writing an album, liking fashion or not. Have a nice day;=)'

And then publish this: """Lelayna needs a man!!!!!!!""

she couldn't answer to her like that so she published mean comment.

Isabell wrote on 23.11.2009 at 21:44
wow Legeon great post, now you can send it to Anette.

Isabell wrote on 23.11.2009 at 22:12
Hm... Anette sounds good in this video. No power required. To echo some of the others here, she really is in the wrong band...

On another note, Legeon, you peaked my interest. I took a look at today's blog and also saw this:

Anette wrote: ?From all the comments talk etc that has been these days after a long comment to me, I can only say that I have learned through things that has happened in my life that sometimes its better to not say what you feel to say.?

Really? She learned this? 'Cause uh... she sure talks a lot about what she feels like without any regard to her image, to the band's image, and to others. She's right, it is better to not say what you feel like saying all the time. Now if only she could take that advice and stop making a mockery of herself, then we can all relax.

... And she put up 5 posts about the Dome?? Wow, this must have been the best show of her life! Harwall Arena only got what... 1, maybe 2 posts at the most? And most of that was talking about what she wore. Priorities, anyone?

Tainted~ wrote on 23.11.2009 at 22:13
@ Dana

"Other singers are also live people, Anette is not the only "live person" in the world on metal/rock stage, but they had professionalism and kept up the perfromances, although it was hard for them :) Yeah, everybody has their limits but others have more guts and professionalism to handle with this limits and follow the professional rule "show must go on". Anette didn't have that and didn't show that.
She is not that professional. Although at this age it is about time."

I think you are requiring too much from a person whose feelings and thoughts at that moment you don't know. :) If the pressure was way too much and she couldn't go on, she had the right to stop the show. In my opinion, her health and well-being is much more important than the audiences satisfaction. :)

I know Tarja had hard times when she was in Nightwish and I'm happy she was able to go on with the shows. If she had decided to not sing, I would have understood her. :) But I'm also happy that she found the strength to go on. If Anette would have done the same, I would have been happy for her again. But she was not and I can understand her. :)

Crystalium wrote on 23.11.2009 at 22:34
Cristabel said:

"Sometime physical shock and pain are not the worst thing that could happen to someone."

The point is that thanks to Marcelo, the physical shock and pain DID NOT HAPPEN and the only shock and pain left was indeed mental/psychological! So you have deconstructed your own point. :-)

Almagest wrote on 24.11.2009 at 01:40
@tainted

You are right,and especially if we think that from all 2 posts she wrote about Hartwal,most of them was about her clothes,make-up and hair.Very little about the show itself.

From all that she posts,it's about 90% about clothing and hair,5% about furniture and cats, 4% about coffee breaks,long walks and going to the gym and spas and 1% about music.

Legeon wrote on 24.11.2009 at 05:58
"think you are requiring too much from a person whose feelings and thoughts at that moment you don't know. :) If the pressure was way too much and she couldn't go on, she had the right to stop the show. In my opinion, her health and well-being is much more important than the audiences satisfaction. :) "

I don't require too much, since it is what real professionals do, no matter what hard personal things they have on their hearts, they often say it themselves, it is like their own requirement - that it is top thing to be able to grip personal emotions and give a performance still, because for performer it is the greatest and most important responsibility- to give good performance or to finish it, no matter what. (Specially then here we got three different versions, which are not strong enough even all-together to excuse such unprofessionalism).
Because the audience's satisfaction and,even more important, their own professionalism, are at stake, and they are both crucial for real professional. If the pressure was too high, then it was better cancel the gig - but if she didn't want to cancel it and couldn't cancel it, ok, fine, but this means she had to give and finish that performance no matter what, cause she took this responsibility- before the audience and before "professionalism" itself. Yeah, that's tought, but being real professional performer is a tough job. And for real professional performer the most important things are professional reputation and behavior/actions ( this "show must go on" rule) on stage and audience's satisfaction! Other things such as some personal emotions matter less at this moment!
So some people can do that, cause they are real pros and have that in them, as we see from different examples and some can't, cause they are not or not so much, as we see in that case.

Dana wrote on 26.11.2009 at 18:43
@ Dana

I still think you require too much. You still don't know how strongly she felt. You still don't know what things caused her escape. That's why it's unfair to say she should have come back to the stage, no matter what.

Crystalium wrote on 26.11.2009 at 23:28
so, and back to the object! Does anybody know what time the concert will be broadcast? I am tring to find out, but it's not in the today's programm ot RTL 2 as announced! Pls help!

stanislava wrote on 27.11.2009 at 13:20
"NIGHTWISH frontwoman Anette Olzon will join the Finnish rock band THE RASMUS on stage this Friday, November 20 at The Dome 52 in Graz, Austria to perform THE RASMUS' new single, "October & April". The concert will be broadcast on Germany's RTL 2 station on November 27. "

(text is from blabbermouth-news)

celisajan wrote on 27.11.2009 at 14:36
When Chester from LP fell and broke his wrist (in the middle or the show) he didn't escape he even refused to go to the ER until they finish the gig.

Isabell wrote on 27.11.2009 at 17:14
@ Isabell

"When Chester from LP fell and broke his wrist (in the middle or the show) he didn't escape he even refused to go to the ER until they finish the gig."

That was physical pain, not mental. They are complitely different things.

Are you guys trying to make Anette look unprofessional by meaning? You clearly refuse to feel empathy.

Crystalium wrote on 27.11.2009 at 23:35
Liv Kristine is really sick from what I've heard but still they didn't want to cancel the tour.

Crystalium, I've already explained that a rape ATTEMPT as Tarja suffered through caused her mental pain, NOT physical pain, which is always the worst thing about rape for women, feeling "dirty" in a mental way (or so I've heard, I'm not a woman after all) and Legeon's example involved pure emotional pain as well, so the examples are proof that virtualy nothing but physical force, probably not even a panic attack, can get a really professional performer to leave the stage and not return.

Almagest wrote on 28.11.2009 at 01:55
Okay, so I've been a quiet follower of this website for a long time. Most of the articles I read are of Nightwish and of Tarja related news. I do read the comments if I am interested to see what people have to say about the subject, but unfortunately it would seem the specific subject in any Tarja and ecspecially Nightwish related article is no longer relevant to anything, because we always seem to come down to the very same arguments (that produce the very same results: none).

If you are on Nightwish's side, you will get attacked. Even if you are on Tarjas' side, you will get attacked. If you are on both sides, you will get attacked. And if you are on neither side, you will get attacked. I mean seriously, even when I read another "why can't we all just get along" comment that I don't think anyone could possibly argue against, many of you find a way. Oh, you a find a way. There is just no winning.

Now, Nightwish is always particularly picked on, I have noticed. Many people here are always bringing up that "Nightwish is always talking bad about Tarja". And yet when Anette said she thought Tarja was a sweet person and said she'd want to meet her one day, the same people said "Oh, well she's just doing for her own good image, that sell out!". So let me get this straight --- if Nightwish were to say bad about Tarja, they receive backlash (which is of course justified), and if Nightwish were to say anything good about Tarja --- they receive backlash too? Really? What is up with that?

And don't give me that "Oh but the evil Nightwish fans are always out to get poor Tarja" bull. The community on this website has UNDOUBTEDLY become Tarja biased. And even outside of this website, most fans seem to share the opinion that they want Tarja back, over Anette. I was reading a Tarja related article on here just a couple days ago, where this person was going about how "Tarja and Nightwish are different bands, and you shouldn't bring your Nightwish stuff on articles that have to do with Tarja". Right --- because the Tarja lovers/Nightwish haters OBVIOUSLY stay away from the Nightwish related articles. They never comment on those. Nope.

Oh and of course, anyone who goes against the Tarja biased side is CLEARLY a Tuomas worshiper and idolizer who is blind to logic because Tuomas brainwashed them with his dark powers of eviiiilllll. Okay ya know what? I have considered BOTH sides of the Nightwish vs Tarja story and have to say I think everyone: Tuomas, Marcelo, Tarja, the rest of Nightwish -- all take a bit of blame. Oh god, did I just say that? Sorry, Tuomas must have been channeling his powers of eviiiillllll to me over the shrine I have of his locks of hair in my room.

A lot of people argue with those who do enjoy Nightwish "did you ever consider that maybe they're not quite telling the truth?". OF COURSE I'VE CONSIDERED THAT. In my opinions: Is Tuomas a great songwriter? Yes. Is Tuomas a good composer? Yes. Is Tuomas rather immature? Yes, quite. Has he done some cowardly things? Yes. Has he done some good things? Yes. Did he do a good job of handling his feelings for Tarja? No. Is he Satan himself? Hardly. I don't think Tuomas is without fault, or the angel Nightwish seems to love to portray him as. Does this mean Tarja is a saint? No. Does this mean Nightwish lied about everything? No. Its irrelevant.

Oh, and have you ever considered that Nightwish may have been telling the truth? Or at least, what they believe to be the truth? Have you ever considered that there maybe an "in between"? Gasp.

Many people use Tarja's most recent tour as evidence that Nightwish completely made up everything. She came to America, so she must love America. I'm going to pull what so many of you did when Anette spoke good of Tarja --- has it ever occurred to you that she did for her own self image? Nightwish's letter and book brings up her and Marcelo canceling the American and Australian tours all the time, bringing up that Tarja was displeased with America's venues and what not. I'm sure to Americans and even Australians who believe them, it isn't pleasant to hear. Tarja going on a world tour and skipping out on America would have proved Nightwish right. Also, do consider that her "tour" consisted of like 6 shows. While Nightwish was out and about doing like 200 shows. Is it because of her jam packed schedule? Despite the fact that she did a ton in South America? Or did she perhaps want to get out of North America as soon as possible? God knows.

And thats just it --- we don't know. We don't know these people on a personal level. Don't be so high and mighty to think you know everyone and can analyze everything they do. Because I'm sure you're without fault, or have never done anything immature or have ever spoken badly about someone you didn't like or disagreed with. Its like Alexi Liaho said in regards to when he criticized Dream Theater: "First of all, I think it's really funny that people trash bands and musicians every day on the internet, and nobody gives a ****. But once you say something like that - which wasn't even too bad - in a magazine, all of a sudden you're the biggest ****on the earth."

And the people who DO know Tuomas, Tarja and all them personally seem to have apparently all been brainwashed by Tuomas as well. Why else would Tony Kakko or Alexi Liaho, or even the rest of Nightwish or their technicians or ANYONE for that matter still want to stick around Tuomas after this whole thing? Maybe it was brainwash. Maybe he paid them all off. Or maybe they see a side of the story you don't. "Once Upon A Nightwish" is narrated in a sickeningly biased way, but you have to wonder about the people who were actually quoted who vouch for Nightwish's side as well. Why is Emppu still in the band? Even Marcelo and Tarja consider him to be a good friend -- if Tuomas was such horrible ogre to them, why on earth would Emppu still stand by him? I'm sure most of you wouldn't. To be honest, out of all the people who seem to be in contact with the people involved -- only Marcelo and Tarja seem to be on Tarja's side. But once again, maybe Tuomas just paid everyone off to stick to their guns. And maybe you know complete strangers more than their own friends and family know them.

I'm pretty much done here, and I'm sure you'll all tell me I must be another Tarja hating, Tuomas manipulated person but I assure you --- the only reason I defended Nightwish more than I defended Tarja at this point was because Nightwish has clearly become the underdog here, love Tarja and her new music though I may. And I'm not even saying I think they're greek gods or anything like that, only saying that if you want to constantly be insisting to Nightwish fans who just want to read Nightwish articles and news on this website in peace, then at least consider that maybe -- just maybe --- you are not all knowing. Maybe, just maybe --- you are wrong. I certainly have. And yet, I still believe a certain opinion which I will not delve into because I am just plain tired of many on the people on this site, and I wish to interact with these people as little as possible. This is one outburst I felt I had to do just to clear my conscious. Unlike some of you, I do not wish to spend my time going into a 600 comment argument over things that happened four years ago with people I don't know. Yeah.

A Nightwish And Tarja Fan wrote on 28.11.2009 at 05:53
@A Tarja and Nightwish fan:
First, I like the way you write which is polite and calm =). Second, despite that you still mainly talk about our mental issues, which are none of your business. If you don't like the comments here, bring arguments that show us we're wrong or leave us alone, but don't tell us to leave NW alone if we don't like it, since you obviously don't leave us alone even though you don't like what we write. that's hypocrite.

Alright, after I said what I think of that, let's start ;-)

"Now, Nightwish is always particularly picked on, I have noticed. Many people here are always bringing up that "Nightwish is always talking bad about Tarja". And yet when Anette said she thought Tarja was a sweet person and said she'd want to meet her one day, the same people said "Oh, well she's just doing for her own good image, that sell out!". So let me get this straight --- if Nightwish were to say bad about Tarja, they receive backlash (which is of course justified), and if Nightwish were to say anything good about Tarja --- they receive backlash too? Really? What is up with that? "

I agree on that, when it comes to Anette. Even though I don't know whether she really thinks Tarja is a great person or just wants to seem nice, I don't think people should take the second reason for granted. I don't think too much of her as a singer nor as a person (though I don't know her, of course, but the way she's writing in her blog etc. doesn't really make her likable to me), but I don't have any reason to believe she's actually mean or likes to attack other people, and she always said she liked Tarja's voice and I don't see why I should doubt that. (I actually defended her when people attacked her because of the quote you mentioned, but I don't remember whether it was here or on the german Tarja forum)

However, it's different when it comes to the other Nightwish members. They fired her in that cruel way, telling the whole world she was a greedy diva etc. (well, I'm sure you know that part, so I don't have to go into details ;-) ) and so if now Marco says something like "It's really said we don't have any contact, I wouldn't have a problem talking to her, it's said we aren't friends anymore blablabla " I'm more like well, maybe you should first apologize publicly, and maybe it would be more efficient to call her than to tell that to some interviewer! So that seems completely hypocrite and dishonest to me and makes me angry, cause he's just trying to make himself look like the nice guy again.

"And don't give me that "Oh but the evil Nightwish fans are always out to get poor Tarja" bull. The community on this website has UNDOUBTEDLY become Tarja biased. And even outside of this website, most fans seem to share the opinion that they want Tarja back, over Anette."

Yeah, well,this is one website, and it's an exception. And btw we don't want Tarja back, not at all, or at least I don't.I prefer her solo career to what NW is doing nowadays.
And you're missing one point: even the people who want Tarja back still bash her, even though they don't even want it, because they believe the letter. There are many people who say "Tarja was better, but if she was such a diva the guys just couldn't keep on working with her". The people who want Tarja back don't necessary believe or even know her part of the story. And they don't listen to her solo career, and partly because of that, so the letter still affects her.

" I was reading a Tarja related article on here just a couple days ago, where this person was going about how "Tarja and Nightwish are different bands, and you shouldn't bring your Nightwish stuff on articles that have to do with Tarja". Right --- because the Tarja lovers/Nightwish haters OBVIOUSLY stay away from the Nightwish related articles. They never comment on those. Nope. "

Well, Tarja is mentioned directly or indirectly in NW's news. Here, for example "I actually asked Tarja but she said no etc.". Or that stupid letter joke in Tuomas' interview. And that, of course, leads to other discussions about Tarja/Nightwish. But usually, we aren't the one who bring it up, and we only do - or at least most of us - that when it's related to the discussion. We don't just go here and happily compare Dark Passion Play to My Winter Storm etc.

To that, since NW changed their singer from Tarja to Anette, it makes sense to compare them. Feel free to compare Mike Terrana and Jukka on Tarja's articles, if you have fun doing it. But when NW fans bring up NW on Tarja's articles, it usually isn't related to the article nor to the discussion nor does it make any sense at all.

"Oh and of course, anyone who goes against the Tarja biased side is CLEARLY a Tuomas worshiper and idolizer who is blind to logic because Tuomas brainwashed them with his dark powers of eviiiilllll. Okay ya know what? I have considered BOTH sides of the Nightwish vs Tarja story and have to say I think everyone: Tuomas, Marcelo, Tarja, the rest of Nightwish -- all take a bit of blame. Oh god, did I just say that? Sorry, Tuomas must have been channeling his powers of eviiiillllll to me over the shrine I have of his locks of hair in my room. "

Any ARGUMENTS for that? Yes, maybe all of them are to blame. But do you have any FACTS that show Tarja and Marcelo made some bad mistakes? We have facts that Tuomas made mistakes, and I can give you them if you ask for it.

But if you don't have any arguments that prove your view on everything is most probably the right one, that doesn't make your opinion better than ours, quite the contrary.

And you're trying to look like you're fair saying "all of them are to blame", but it is NOT FAIR to take it for granted Tarja and Marcelo made mistakes without knowing it.

"A lot of people argue with those who do enjoy Nightwish "did you ever consider that maybe they're not quite telling the truth?". OF COURSE I'VE CONSIDERED THAT. In my opinions: Is Tuomas a great songwriter? Yes. Is Tuomas a good composer? Yes. Is Tuomas rather immature? Yes, quite. Has he done some cowardly things? Yes. Has he done some good things? Yes. Did he do a good job of handling his feelings for Tarja? No. Is he Satan himself? Hardly. I don't think Tuomas is without fault, or the angel Nightwish seems to love to portray him as. Does this mean Tarja is a saint? No. Does this mean Nightwish lied about everything? No. Its irrelevant. "

Nobody said Tarja's a saint, we only said there's NO PROOF she did something wrong.
So you considered NW is lying, but in the end you decided they don't. Why? Or isn't there an argument, again? Because we can tell you why we think they are lying.

"Oh, and have you ever considered that Nightwish may have been telling the truth? Or at least, what they believe to be the truth? Have you ever considered that there maybe an "in between"? Gasp. "

I can only answer for myself: I did. I believed the letter, when I read it for the first time - most of us did. But then we started to think, and we read Marcelo's answers, listened to Tarja's press conference, read that Anette was complaining about the hard touring, hired a manager herself etc. and so we decided it's more probable they are lying.

"Many people use Tarja's most recent tour as evidence that Nightwish completely made up everything. She came to America, so she must love America. I'm going to pull what so many of you did when Anette spoke good of Tarja --- has it ever occurred to you that she did for her own self image? Nightwish's letter and book brings up her and Marcelo canceling the American and Australian tours all the time, bringing up that Tarja was displeased with America's venues and what not. I'm sure to Americans and even Australians who believe them, it isn't pleasant to hear. Tarja going on a world tour and skipping out on America would have proved Nightwish right. Also, do consider that her "tour" consisted of like 6 shows. While Nightwish was out and about doing like 200 shows. Is it because of her jam packed schedule? Despite the fact that she did a ton in South America? Or did she perhaps want to get out of North America as soon as possible? God knows. "

Well, she has more fans in South America, so she does more shows there, and maybe she also likes the country, who could blame her for that? As you said: God knows. So why do you blame others for saying Anette was just looking for publicity and say the same thing about Tarja? Since I don't know anything bad about her, I chose to believe her, as I chose to believe Anette.

"And thats just it --- we don't know. We don't know these people on a personal level. Don't be so high and mighty to think you know everyone and can analyze everything they do. Because I'm sure you're without fault, or have never done anything immature or have ever spoken badly about someone you didn't like or disagreed with."

Our personal mistakes have nothing to do with Tuomas' and aren't the topic here. Does the fact I once spoke badly about a friend when I was angry mean I don't have the right to criticize his behavior? Then nobody has the right to criticize anyone. And you don't have the right to criticize us, too.

But I don't think so. First, there's a difference: If I talk badly about a person that disagrees with me, that's because I'm angry and because I know it won't really harm her/him in the long run. And when I'm calm again then I'm sorry, and apologize, if necessary. I still know it's in general wrong to speak badly about others when it's just bashing anymore and not criticizing.

But Tuomas wasn't just angry and therefore told Marco that Tarja's a stupid, greedy diva. He published it on the internet, and not just as some private person, but as the founder and "soul" of Nightwish. He damaged her reputation seriously, and he knew he would, he had weeks or at the least days to plan it.
And he never apologized, never even admitted it was a mistake. And he went on by publishing MPG and BBB.

And as for your "we don't know.": We do know he published this letter etc. It's a FACT, not a guess. And slander is a CRIME, it's just WRONG, whatever the reasons are! There's nothing that justifies it, neither unreturned love nor wanting to "tell the truth" nor need for publicity etc.
And until he apologizes, we don't have to forgive him (I promise I will if he apologizes publicly on his website or something like that). And we have the right, to criticize him, and we have the right to defend Tarja it we want to.

" Its like Alexi Liaho said in regards to when he criticized Dream Theater: "First of all, I think it's really funny that people trash bands and musicians every day on the internet, and nobody gives a ****. But once you say something like that - which wasn't even too bad - in a magazine, all of a sudden you're the biggest ****on the earth." "

Can't you really tell the difference between a public figure bashing someone in an interview and an anonymous, unimportant person who criticizes someone on the internet?!

"And the people who DO know Tuomas, Tarja and all them personally seem to have apparently all been brainwashed by Tuomas as well. Why else would Tony Kakko or Alexi Liaho, or even the rest of Nightwish or their technicians or ANYONE for that matter still want to stick around Tuomas after this whole thing? Maybe it was brainwash. Maybe he paid them all off. Or maybe they see a side of the story you don't. "Once Upon A Nightwish" is narrated in a sickeningly biased way, but you have to wonder about the people who were actually quoted who vouch for Nightwish's side as well. Why is Emppu still in the band? Even Marcelo and Tarja consider him to be a good friend -- if Tuomas was such horrible ogre to them, why on earth would Emppu still stand by him? I'm sure most of you wouldn't. To be honest, out of all the people who seem to be in contact with the people involved -- only Marcelo and Tarja seem to be on Tarja's side. But once again, maybe Tuomas just paid everyone off to stick to their guns. And maybe you know complete strangers more than their own friends and family know them. "

Well, there are others who say something different. Mark Jansen of Epica, for example, said something like "She is a good person, a lot of people say she's a bad, with a diva behaviour, but it's not like that, she's humble and a nice person." Or Phil of the MFVF "For them it always Tarja's fault, but I can tell that Tarja is a very kind person". Can't give you the source, though, I'm sorry, I don't remember. And I think I remember someone from the Nightwish crew working for Tarja now, but I don't know the name (Almagest, do you remember? :D).

Well, but just because Tarja and Marcelo had problems with the band members doesn't mean everybody has. It's clear he hates Marcelo, and feelings for Tarja might be a reason. And people who work for NW, earn enough money and don't have a problem with the hard touring - why should they leave their jobs? Because remember, that was always the reason for their fights, the hard touring that harmed Tarja's voice. And if Emppu likes the touring, since it hardly harms his guitar, or if he can buy a new one, why should he leave? But he did say he wasn't happy with the way Tarja was fired.

To that, you can turn the question around: If Tarja is a greedy diva, as Tuomas said, why does Mike Terrana say she's one of the nicest persons he ever worked with? Or Kiko?

But I don't like that argument all the way: A hundred or a thousand people can still be wrong, you know. And if 500 people are against one, that doesn't mean he's wrong. I'd never choose to believe one side just because there are more people on it. I rather concentrate on what other stuff we know.

"I'm pretty much done here, and I'm sure you'll all tell me I must be another Tarja hating, Tuomas manipulated person but I assure you --- the only reason I defended Nightwish more than I defended Tarja at this point was because Nightwish has clearly become the underdog here, love Tarja and her new music though I may. And I'm not even saying I think they're greek gods or anything like that, only saying that if you want to constantly be insisting to Nightwish fans who just want to read Nightwish articles and news on this website in peace, then at least consider that maybe -- just maybe --- you are not all knowing. Maybe, just maybe --- you are wrong. I certainly have. "

There's always a chance we are wrong, we know that. But as long as you don't give us arguments, why should we believe that? As I said: most of us were on NW's side first. We changed our opinion BECAUSE we considered we might be wrong.

Earwen wrote on 28.11.2009 at 16:17
@ Almagest

"Crystalium, I've already explained that a rape ATTEMPT as Tarja suffered through caused her mental pain, NOT physical pain, which is always the worst thing about rape for women, feeling "dirty" in a mental way (or so I've heard, I'm not a woman after all) and Legeon's example involved pure emotional pain as well, so the examples are proof that virtualy nothing but physical force, probably not even a panic attack, can get a really professional performer to leave the stage and not return."

Yeah, the rape attempt that happended on stage in South America during Wismatour. I can imagine it must have been a big shick for Tarja.

But to say something about Anette's stage escape, I recall at least these things might have been in her mind:

- her divorce and the media circus about it
- media circus about her false miscarriage
- media circus about her losing her son's custody (which was false)
- horrible tour schedule
- band's inner problems
- tiredness
- homesickness
- the pressure being in "Tarja area" (South America)
- possible "the fingers" in the audience
- possible "Tarja shouters"
- possible "Tarja picture throwers"
- possible missplaced smoke machine

Put them all in one human's mind and you are near becoming mad, even if there wasn't four last ones. Who wouldn't? The boys gave her time to recover and played two cover songs but she couldn't go back on the stage. That tells how horrible she must have felt.

I also recall that the boys knew somehow that Anette would escape from the stage at some point during the tour. They just did not know when.

And remember that she had not experienced that hard tours before she joined Nightwish, she had not experienced that kind of pressure. That's why it unfair to espect her to handle everything.

Crystalium wrote on 28.11.2009 at 16:48
@ a Nightwish and a Tarja Fan!!!
:-)
Great words, great and grown up words!!

I don´t think that someone is a personal friend of Tarja or Tuomas, so they can´t know the the story behind the curtain!!!
We can suppose...but nothing more!!!

celisajan wrote on 28.11.2009 at 17:57
@ Earwen
here is the source of Mark Jansen's comment about Tarja:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=450541982&blogId=470086134

So nobody can say you cannot prove it :D

Franziska wrote on 28.11.2009 at 18:43
@ Legeon: That sounds just about accurate. I'm actually a bit hopeful that this might mean that she will write more about music from now on. Guess we'll see.

@ Earwen:
You said: 'Any ARGUMENTS for that? Yes, maybe all of them are to blame. But do you have any FACTS that show Tarja and Marcelo made some bad mistakes? We have facts that Tuomas made mistakes, and I can give you them if you ask for it.'

How about the fact that in Marcelo's answers he blatantly came out and said that Tuomas claimed he loved Tarja? Is that something a polite and good person would do? Reveal personal feelings of someone while trying to paint themselves in a good light? You complain about how Tuomas's letter has made people dislike Tarja. It seems that Marcelo's answers made people like you dislike Tuomas. Same scenario, different side of the fence. Just some food for thought :)

Tarja has done well in these last few years to show everyone that she is not the diva the boys claimed her to be. I hold a lot of respect for how she has handled the situation and yes, I agree, the letter was cowardly and a stupid move on the band's part. That doesn't mean, though, that anyone involved with the situation is a saint and it doesn't mean that anyone is the devil incarnate.

@ Crystalium:
Let's dissect this one at a time:

- her divorce and the media circus about it
None of us know the details on the divorce but she certainly didn't waste time in finding herself a new boyfriend and seems quite content with him so I don't know how much of a tragedy this was to her.

- media circus about her false miscarriage
If it was false, it wouldn't affect her.

- media circus about her losing her son's custody (which was false)
See above... Why would this affect her if she knows that it's not true?

- horrible tour schedule
Yup... And did you see any of the boys walking off stage in the middle of a show because of the tour schedule? Anette wasn't the only band member at the end of her rope.

- band's inner problems
See above.

- tiredness
Again.... See above.

- homesickness
See above and add on the fact that she chose to get into the band when she auditioned and then insisted that leaving a little boy behind would not be a problem for her. If she chooses to whine about it now it's not our problem and it shouldn't be the problem of the people who paid for that show.

- the pressure being in "Tarja area" (South America)
This is valid, but she's been facing this kind of pressure all along and after so much touring should have learned to deal with it properly.

- possible "the fingers" in the audience
The videos that I saw did not show any "fingers".

- possible "Tarja shouters"
Again, the videos that I saw did not show this. In fact, the audience was chanting "Anette" after she walked off stage.

- possible "Tarja picture throwers"
In an interview she said that this did happen, but so what? Did she expect to not be compared to Tarja when she joined? If she has to have everyone love her and worship her to be happy then she's in the wrong profession.

- possible missplaced smoke machine
This... is the most ridiculous excuse I ever heard come out of that woman's mouth. She actually blamed a tech guy for misplacing the smoke machine. Let's rewind for a moment to the start of that song. She, herself, chose to walk over to that spot and sit down. Is she blind? Did she not see that there was a smoke machine there? Did someone tell her that if she didn't sit in that exact spot that she would get shot? If the thing was misplaced she would have seen it and gone to sit somewhere else. She had a few songs to get herself acquainted with the set up of the stage. Even if she hadn't seen the smoke machine but started noticing that it was bothering her, she would have noticed it then, got up, and walked off to the other side of the stage. Watch the video. Even when she says "I'm really sorry" and walks off her voice is still strong (as strong as it gets anyways). Blaming the tech guys was the most ridiculous move on her part.

Anette is constantly complaining about smoke, about bombs, about the fires that they use. She complains about not being able to see her son that much (even though she's now planning a trip somewhere for the holidays and leaving the kid with his father... again..), about how tired she always is, about how she gets sick at least once a month, about how she's getting older and becoming less energetic, about all the pressure, about being compared to Tarja, about the media writing stories about her, about the tech guys not doing their job well enough for her liking, about how not everyone likes her, ect, ect, ect... Did she expect this to be easy? I don't think I have ever, in all of my time, heard any singer complain as much as she does.

I don't claim that she is the worst case around. There have been singers walking off stage and not coming back just because someone threw something at them. At least Anette has tried to cope and has only left the stage once so far. At the same time, she really could have handled the situation in a much better way, no matter what the problem was. Whatever was bothering her, a professional singer would have taken a bit of time to herself, drank some water, pulled herself together, and at least finished the show before dealing with the problem. If anything, I at least hope that she learned something from the incident so that it won't happen again.

Tainted~ wrote on 28.11.2009 at 21:12
@Crystalium

I will answer you about the "possible" things that may crossed Anette's mind:

"- her divorce and the media circus about it"
She had divorced in 2007,and i don't recall ANY media circus about it at the time.
"- media circus about her false miscarriage"
That happened ONLY after the incident in Brazil.How could she be upset about something that was fabricated AFTER that night?
"- media circus about her losing her son's custody (which was false)"
Same with above.
"- horrible tour schedule"
Tarja could have said here "I told ya!".But no seriously,there are bands that have toured much harder than that.And she chose it,by the way.
"- band's inner problems"
Ha!Supposedly NW and Tarja had problems since 2000 but she was able to tour again and again and again.With no abandoning shows.
"- tiredness"
Again:there are bands that have toured much harder than that.
"- homesickness"
See above.
"- the pressure being in "Tarja area" (South America)"
It's also Bruce's area,is that relevant too?By the way,Tarja's fans would have no problem if NW would hire a good singer giving justice to the songs.Like Floor.No Tarja's fan would show "the middle finger" to her.
Also,why would tarja's fans attack Anette?It doesn't make any sense,they would attack Tuomas for denigrating Tarja and hiring Anette.
"- possible "the fingers" in the audience
- possible "Tarja shouters
- possible "Tarja picture throwers"
There are videos that prove that no such thing happened.Also people being there said that nothing happened.Besides,Anette has said herself that when she's on stage singing,she doesn't hear what people say and she can't see them,because of the lights.
So how THE HELL would she see some people shouting Tarja's name or showing her the finger?
"- possible missplaced smoke machine"
That's why soundchecks and rehearsals are for.And actually,technicians place machines and everything according to what the band members say.So there's no way that this machine was "misplaced".
Besides,she has feet.These things are made to help us walk.

Legeon wrote on 28.11.2009 at 21:21
@A Nightwish And Tarja Fan

You say you don't like us,but still you write about us.
You say you don't like this place,but still your time reading it.

You know,i also write about NW even though i no more like them,but at least i don't lecture others.

Because you DID lecture us about not commenting on NW if we don't like them.

You know what's the funny thing?You claim to be fair,but you only seem to find excuses for Tuomas but not for Tarja or Marcelo. Funny.

Legeon wrote on 28.11.2009 at 21:25
@Crystalium

I will answer you about the "possible" things that may crossed Anette's mind:

"- her divorce and the media circus about it"
She had divorced in 2007,and i don't recall ANY media circus about it at the time.
"- media circus about her false miscarriage"
That happened ONLY after the incident in Brazil.How could she be upset about something that was fabricated AFTER that night?
"- media circus about her losing her son's custody (which was false)"
Same with above.
"- horrible tour schedule"
Tarja could have said here "I told ya!".But no seriously,there are bands that have toured much harder than that.And she chose it,by the way.
"- band's inner problems"
Ha!Supposedly NW and Tarja had problems since 2000 but she was able to tour again and again and again.With no abandoning shows.
"- tiredness"
Again:there are bands that have toured much harder than that.
"- homesickness"
See above.
"- the pressure being in "Tarja area" (South America)"
It's also Bruce's area,is that relevant too?By the way,Tarja's fans would have no problem if NW would hire a good singer giving justice to the songs.Like Floor.No Tarja's fan would show "the middle finger" to her.
Also,why would tarja's fans attack Anette?It doesn't make any sense,they would attack Tuomas for denigrating Tarja and hiring Anette.
"- possible "the fingers" in the audience
- possible "Tarja shouters
- possible "Tarja picture throwers"
There are videos that prove that no such thing happened.Also people being there said that nothing happened.Besides,Anette has said herself that when she's on stage singing,she doesn't hear what people say and she can't see them,because of the lights.
So how THE HELL would she see some people shouting Tarja's name or showing her the finger?
"- possible missplaced smoke machine"
That's why soundchecks and rehearsals are for.And actually,technicians place machines and everything according to what the band members say.So there's no way that this machine was "misplaced".
Besides,she has feet.These things are made to help us walk.

Legeon wrote on 28.11.2009 at 21:25
@Tainted: "How about the fact that in Marcelo's answers he blatantly came out and said that Tuomas claimed he loved Tarja? Is that something a polite and good person would do? Reveal personal feelings of someone while trying to paint themselves in a good light? "

I agree that he shouldn't have said it - I already wrote that somewhere here, I think, but of course nobody can keep all comments on this website on his mind :D - but you must see, that was after the letter and everything. I guess his feelings towards Tuomas were very bitter at that time, and to that, he had promised to answer all the questions and probably thought it was necessary to explain his side of the story. So I think it was wrong, but still understandable.

"You complain about how Tuomas's letter has made people dislike Tarja. It seems that Marcelo's answers made people like you dislike Tuomas. Same scenario, different side of the fence. Just some food for thought :)"

Can't you see the difference?! He was defending himself and Tarja against Tuomas' accusations - do you actually think that if they had parted in a peaceful manner he would have asked the fans to ask him questions about the split? Of course not. He was merely trying to explain his side of the story after some terrible accusations had been said against him. He had every right to do that! To that, he didn't just write his part of the story, but simply answered to fan's questions, and if you read them, you'll see almost all of them are based on what Tuomas said in the letter or in interviews or had announced on their website.
To that, the fact that he defended himself against this slander and mad a mistake while doing so doesn't prove he made mistakes before the split, and we were mainly talking about that.

Earwen wrote on 28.11.2009 at 22:07
@Franziska: Thank you for the source :D I googled it but I couldn't find it, and I just didn't remember where I read it^^

Earwen wrote on 28.11.2009 at 23:59
@ Earwen: You're right, and by that logic we can also surmise that when the letter was written there were bad feelings about things that Tarja and Marcelo had said/done (Hope you'll forgive the small lack of factual evidence here in favor of a bit of common sense). Tuomas repeats two quotes that Tarja said to him about leaving on a moment's notice and not needing Nightwish anymore. Did she mean what she said? I seriously doubt it. Like some have said in the past, they were probably in the middle of an argument and were both mad at each other and both said things that they didn't mean. Clearly Tuomas took it to heart, however. Maybe Tarja didn't apologize for it later and he thought that she had really meant what she said. As has been pointed out, the band has a problem with communication and with that comes misunderstandings.

Marco's said that Tarja had started talking about leaving the band back when he first joined and that he almost quit because of it, so judging by that they were taking her words to heart from the beginning. I don't blame her for wanting her own solo career, I'm just saying that there was obvious tension there for a long time because of it. Didn't they cancel two U.S. tours because Ewo and Marcelo couldn't come to agree on something? It all boils down to one thing: They all couldn't work together anymore. There were just too many problems. I do wish that they could have handled the split in a better way but what's done is done. Now my hope is that they'll stop playing dumb and apologize already for that letter so everyone can try and move on.

Oh, and I did read all of Marcelo's answers. You're right, the questions all center around what Tuomas has said and that's because when Marcelo first decided to invite everyone to ask questions he told them that he would answer any and all questions pertaining to the situation. It was the reason for the whole thing in the first place, so what else would people have asked? And yes, he did have the right to defend himself and Tarja, no arguments on that :)

Tainted~ wrote on 29.11.2009 at 00:37
Here we have the two live shows of The Rasmus feat. Anette.

Ne Salmiset: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5-5bgIuHVc
The Dome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM41PcZNPeY

I simply adore Anette. She looks beautiful in both videos and in Ne Salmiset she sings like an angel, in my opinion. :)

Raitoningu wrote on 29.11.2009 at 16:01
Yep it sounds good there :-)

celisajan wrote on 29.11.2009 at 18:55
Tainted said:

"Anette is constantly complaining about smoke, about bombs, about the fires that they use. She complains about not being able to see her son that much (even though she's now planning a trip somewhere for the holidays and leaving the kid with his father... again..), about how tired she always is, about how she gets sick at least once a month, about how she's getting older and becoming less energetic, about all the pressure, about being compared to Tarja, about the media writing stories about her, about the tech guys not doing their job well enough for her liking, about how not everyone likes her, ect, ect, ect... Did she expect this to be easy? I don't think I have ever, in all of my time, heard any singer complain as much as she does. "
_______________________________________
Exactly.

mermaid wrote on 01.12.2009 at 13:45
@Crystalium
"I still think you require too much. You still don't know how strongly she felt. You still don't know what things caused her escape. That's why it's unfair to say she should have come back to the stage, no matter what."

No, I don't require something extra, only the things real professionals do and they say it themselves how they need or have to do such kind of things, how to handle them, though it is very hard for them. If she can not do this, can't keep her emotions to herself while on job, than that is pure unprofessionalism.Cause all performers are living human beings, the difference is that one of them are strong and professional enough to keep up with perfroming,although that is hard and others are not. Anette turned out to the later case and calling her pure professional in such terms would have been disgarce and disrespectful towards other real professionals performers.

Dana wrote on 12.12.2009 at 22:19
I wonder if she will continue working with RASMUS???

Missay wrote on 07.01.2010 at 22:40

NIGHTWISH Singer To Perform With THE RASMUS In Austria

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