NIGHTWISH Singer Defends Her Decision To Work On Solo Album

29.08.2009

NIGHTWISH singer Anette Olzon has commented on her decision to work with Swedish producer/songwriter Anders Bagge on material for her upcoming solo album, which she plans to record during the band's downtime in early 2010. According to Anette, the as-yet-untitled CD "is, of course, just in the starting stage], but I will contribute doing the songs together with [Anders and other songwriters] and I will start that immediately. Anders is thinking on his side and me here... Then we meet and try out the ideas and we'll see what it will be like. But yeah, rocky it will be for sure. Not metal, but rock."

Regarding how her decision to work on a solo album will affect her status in NIGHTWISH, Olzon states, "You all know I love that band, and, of course, this is not a solo career, but an album. I can't sit and do nothing for maybe 1.5-2 years [while NIGHTWISH is preparing to record a new studio album]. None of the guys can either. Marco [Hietala, NIGHTWISH bassist/vocalist] has TAROT and several other bands and projects, Emppu [Vuorinen; NIGHTWISH guitarist] has BROTHER FIRETRIBE and projects, Tuomas [Holopainen; NIGHTWISH keyboardist and main songwriter] [has] bands and projects and Jukka [Nevalainen; NIGHTWISH drummer] [has] his merch company. So, I need something too. And I don't want another band, 'cause I have NIGHTWISH. Then a solo will be just perfect. I can decide when and what I will tour or perform, all in the aspect of when NIGHTWISH will do something new. We don't know that. It's all in Tuomas' hands and he is the creator. We are the instruments."

She adds, "I hope people can stop thinking that the singer CAN'T do anything else but the instrumentalists can. I have the same right as my fellow band members to do anything on the side when NIGHTWISH is not playing or touring.

"I am, for sure, excited and I know I have my part to play with the songs and the album and I have already started thinking of songs and lyrics. It was a long time since I did songs, but I will soon be back in business."

Olzon was interviewed on August 13, 2009 prior to her performance with the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra at a special concert in Stockholm, Sweden as part of the Stockholms Kulturfestival (Stockholm's Culture Festival). According to Anette, "The evening [was] in the theme of Sweden-Finland and it [was] called Suomi Safari. There [was] a big symphonic orchestra, choir and more soloists that have something to do with Finland."

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Totally agree with Anette! Looking forward to hearing whatever she comes up with.

Jeremiah wrote on 29.08.2009 at 16:39
Anette is not talented at all.
I can't believe that she wants to make a solo album... With what voice??
The final disaster for Nw...

evspko wrote on 29.08.2009 at 16:59
I agree with Anette as well..she is definitely entitled to do her own thing while Nightwish is dormant for a little while..I would love to hear what comes of it :D
<3

Angela wrote on 29.08.2009 at 18:03
That would make sense, but obviously Anette does not love Nightwish. She's in it only for the cash and fame. Remembering what she said about metal music, classical music and pop singers a while ago, it is very clear that Anette does not understand on any level what metal is about. Also she has shown that she disrespects the fact that Nightwish is metal, and thus disrespects Nightwish AND Nightwish fans by looking, sounding and being a pop singer. Also I am ready to make a bet, that she will continue her pop career whether Nightwish is actively touring or making a new album or not.

Jaussi wrote on 29.08.2009 at 18:50
Well if is true that she will remain in NW, one things for certain. I personally believe that they will kick her out at the end of this tour. That is my honest prediction from all of this because this year has been nothing more than her trying to gain fame from NW with her own website, merch, etc. She says it's not a solo album, but it's really obvious that she does not care about NW anymore from her expressions.

She's making us believe it's a side project just so she can stay out of controversy, but pretty soon she will stop caring about the band that brought her fame and she will forget about NW altogther, and that is what solo albums do to every artist. She used them to gain fame and after only 2 years she decides to make a solo project for herself. She says that all the guys have projects and she thinks she will be "bored" in 2 years, but I think those are just excuses from her.

I cannot defend her claim; Marco has been in Tarot for over 25 years, Emppu has Brother Firetribe only as a fun and experimental band for him but NW is still his top priority, and of course For My Pain is just a side thing for Tuomas but NW is number one for him. But Anette is doing this in just 2 years time and it comes with a lot of problems. Despite this, NW had this coming from the very beginning.

This whole thing is obviously bringing a new low for NW. All of this started with the crying incident back in November and hasn't gone down since. They are obviously having problems with the way things are ran or else this would not have happened. You guys all wait, NW is going to kick her out at Hartwall Arena, the same way they canned Tarja 4 years ago. This is really sad...

Just to let you know to that I am not here to bash NW and belittle them, but this is just an opinion I had to share. Cheers!

James wrote on 29.08.2009 at 19:04
@evspko
I think she's doing a great job. Go ahead and bring the proof that you can do it better before making such a comment.

Storm wrote on 29.08.2009 at 19:04
Goodness one album with NW and now she thinks she's all that.....A solo album, I don't believe this woman

Jean wrote on 29.08.2009 at 19:55
Her voice is not strong enough for a solo album to do good within the metal crowd. There is nothing special about her without Nightwish, but her voice is not bad. It will draw more attention to the mainstream music lovers(woohoo who gives a shit). This album will surely make fans hate Anette even more. Now, her solo album will most likely cut time from Nightwish to perform, even if she tries to "work around" the NW schedule.

It seems to me that Anette came into the band knowing that this would be a good oppurtunity to get herself known and not as a member of NW. Shes only been in the band for a year and a half, and she creates her own website and merchandise???
I KNEW this would happen. It was to obvious. but the funny thing is she can do that without taking almost all NW fans because most think she is not good for the band. Like if Tarja did something like Anette, she wouldve taken half the NW fans with her new solo project.

is MFF going to add Anette Olzon under the bands? Becuase it will surely be Rock From Sweden...

Hayley wrote on 29.08.2009 at 19:57
@evspko
Just because her voice is not you cup of tea, it doesn't mean you can bash her down, so listen to another singer, if you don't like her. Get a life, seriously.
I support Anette, in whatever she does. If the guys can have side projects, then she can too, if she wants. She is her own person. And @Jaussi, I personally don't believe that she'll get kicked out, she has been a singer for a number of years, I think she knows what she's doing, remember she was in Alyson Avenue? As long as she doesn't cancel shows with Nightwish due to her solo carerr, I think she'll be fine. I think she knows by now that Nightwish is TOP priority. Oh and as long as she doesn't ignore the guys. Just remember what Tarja did. Anette won't do that. And if I'm wrong about all of this, I'll just kick my own ass :P.

Stephanie B. wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:15
I actually can't fault her for this. The girl is 38 after all, and she's probably astute enough to realize this is her best kick at the can. The only thing I think we can really fault her for is having ambition. I am a 35 year old pastry chef, and let me tell you, if The Food Network came knocking at my door, I wouldn't turn my nose up at them at all. It's the same thing from where I'm standing.

CanuckFan wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:26
Let me add to my previous comment: I don't necessarily believe being ambitious is a fault. Just wanted to clarify that!

CanuckFan wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:33
Anette is the best thing to happen to Nightwish. I don't think a lot of people realise what she has done for the band. Anette has brought another dimension to Nighwish and most importantly enabled the band to continue doing what they love the most and be happier than they were when they sacked Tarja.

As Anette says all the other members have their side projects so she is perfectly entitled to have one too and I am eager to see what she comes up with :)

Toni wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:36
Is ok, i mean good for her, she looks positive and that's brilliant!...but this is the beginning of the end, i think.

Dana wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:52
Whatever. Last time I read something like "I will make a solo album" when a very great singer was fired from the best band ever. So I wait. Maybe nw will recognize that they made a mistake.

pandora wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:53
Wait, she wants more work??? Anette outright complained about the tour and how hard it was for her. Now she gets a break from and it and starts complaining so she starts a solo career?!?! She's out of her mind! I hope Nightwish sacks her like some of you are saying. I can't stand her anymore. And I hope they find someone who can handle her job better too.

metalfan3666 wrote on 29.08.2009 at 22:28
@ James.
whoa, i mean i just COULDNT agree more!
Cheers!

ebanc wrote on 29.08.2009 at 23:17
To me, Anette has come to Nightwish for fame, I am not so sure about the money. I think she was hired because her voice corresponded to what Tuomas wanted (he had already written most of the songs when she arrived) : her voice is really girlish almost childish (at least in the album), and that must have corresponded to the state of mind he was in at the time.

The problem is that metal is a really special universe, really special state of mind, and Anette and those who support Anette's decision to make this solo album are probably non metal people. I dont say it's bad, but it's just unbelievable for a metal person to hire a pop-writer to compose songs, or even to do a SOLO album, meaning an album without a band, which is centered on one person. You see, if she had made some other band, I think I could have accepted it.

Yva wrote on 29.08.2009 at 23:57
These are all good points, and I dunno what to think about this personally but...what about her kid? Surely a solo album would mean even less time with Seth, among other reasons??
Forgive me, I must be used to Apocalyptica saying that they miss their families on tour but....I thought that was normal?! Does Anette really care more about her career than him or what?
This just makes me question whether I like Nightwish and Anette or not even more....and believe me, I used to idolise them.

Apocalyptigasm wrote on 30.08.2009 at 03:00
I'm sort of on the fence on this one. For starters, she is entitled to do whatever she wants with her spare time. She is a singer and she can do whatever she likes.

After that, I'm pretty much going to have to agree with all the rest. She's got too much pop style, she's too weak to handle the tours, and quite frankly, I don't think anyone really believes she can fit into the metal scene. I guess we'll see what happens after Hartwall. I'm looking forward to the show just to see what happens. I'm interested to hear from Tuomas and the others as to their thoughts on this stuff.

Emmi wrote on 30.08.2009 at 03:40
I think that will be a great experience for her, she's a great singer and will do just fine. I'm looking forward to it AND Nightwish's next album =)

Jorge wrote on 30.08.2009 at 05:11
Hopefully she will become so ingrossed by her solo album nightwish will have time away from her to rethink their choices.

Meghan wrote on 30.08.2009 at 07:26
Well, I think that the problem is that she is doing all the things that make the guys decide to fire Tarja. She has a personal manager, she is doing different things out of NW and now she wants a solo album.
The diference btw Tarja and Anette is that Tarja is a profesional singer, she has her career and she never hide her intentions of growing outside NW.
What is for sure is that Anette is in NW only for money and fame, she doesnt know and understand nothing about metal world and, what is worst, she doesnt want to...
I've read here that someone tell us to forget about NW and have a life, I don't think that's the problem. I've been a NW fan since 2002 and of course I read this news and tell my opinion, because they were my favourite band before being a circus... This guys have to think about this... this girl is using NW only for get famous... anyway I don't know if her solo album will be a great idea... at least she knows what she is and she will sing pop... thanks god not metal .. by now

haatidje wrote on 30.08.2009 at 12:31
@haatidje

One of the best comments i've ever read.

Especially the part about people telling us to "get a life".We used to be fans of this band,hard ones,and we will become again when they'll decide to get serious.

NW fans attack Tarja,no one tells them to get a life.
We attack Olzon,we must get a life.Or we are narrow-minded.
At least we attack Olzon about what she does/says.
NW fans attack Tarja based on what others said on a letter full of proven lies.

Legeon wrote on 30.08.2009 at 16:46
I am sure Anette is only going to use Nightwish to boost her Solo career even if she says that's not her aim, but that's what it'll end up with...

B wrote on 30.08.2009 at 17:41
@haatidje , Nightwish didn't fire Tarja for having a personal manager and a solo project. They all have solo projects, especially Marco. Tuomas knew about Tarja's intention of having Marcelo as personal manager, and he was ok with that.

Moonsorrow wrote on 30.08.2009 at 19:06
haatidje wrote:
"Well, I think that the problem is that she is doing all the things that make the guys decide to fire Tarja. She has a personal manager, she is doing different things out of NW and now she wants a solo album."

If you believe the open letter, Tarja did not get fired because she had a personal manager or was doing different things outside of Nightwish. For all we know they decided to fire because her manager interfered too much in the running of Nightwish and because the guys thought that Tarja was focusing too much on her solo career when they all agreed that Nightwish was first priority.

None of us knows what really happened (neither the open letter from Tuomas nor Tarja's reaction can be the total truth, the truth lies somewhere inbetween). It is not like everything was so fine and just because Tarja had a solo album all of a sudden or a personal manager they decided to get rid of her, there were more things going on that we are unaware of, I guess the chemistry in the band was not as good anymore.

So saying that Anette does all the things that Tarja was fired for, is really incorrect, since none of us knows.

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Legeon said:
"NW fans attack Tarja, no one tells them to get a life.
We attack Olzon,we must get a life.Or we are narrow-minded.
At least we attack Olzon about what she does/says.
NW fans attack Tarja based on what others said on a letter full of proven lies."

How do you know if the letter is full of proven lies? No-one besides the guys and Tarja know the truth and both decided to bring out their version of the truth out to the public, simply believing either one of them is naive because both parties will turn the truth either way to come out better looking than the other.

I am sure Tarja is a lovely woman (never met her so I cannot tell) but there must have been something really wrong in the band (not saying that it was her fault, though) for the guys to do this.

And even assuming for one moment that she was totally right and the boys were totally wrong, then her getting rid of Nightwish is the best thing for her surely. She is doing fine with what she does, she seems happy and fulfilled now, so why the anger from your side?

I also do not understand your unnatural obsession with Anette. You clearly cannot stand her and that is your right of course, I will not tell you to get a life but I think what anyone can ask is being respectful and that starts by stop referring to her by her surname, it is extremely rude. Do you think that waging your own personal Tarja's-revenge-cruisade or whatever it is you are doing is really helping anyone? Tarja surely does not care, she has moved on years ago. I just cannot get my head around why you overananalyse everything she does and says and why you readng her blog and so on. Why not totaly ignore her?

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All in all what I wanted to say is this:

What has happened, happened. Tarja is gone and yes she was great in Nightwish but crying after the "good old times" does not bring her back. She is happy with her solo career and neither she nor the guys would want a reunion so this is not going to happen.

Anette is the new singer, the guys chose her, they seem happy with her and she is happy to be in that band, too. Sure lots of people do not like the way Nightwish sounds nowadays, but no-one can help that either.

It is not Anette's fault that Tarja got fired, whether that was the right thing to do or not. These things happened long before Anette came into the picture so why are people channelling their hate and anger towards her?

For the "old era" lovers there are all the CDs to listen to where Tarja has sung on, and maybe the intrumental DPP album, too if you really cannot be open enough for Anette's voice.

I personally love both singers (a concept a lot of people here cannot seem to grasp, haha),

They both have talents and limits to what they can do.

Lots of people love Nightwish for their music, those are probably the people that have the biggest difficulty with the switch because the focus mainly on the sound. Tarja has the classy mystical, cool and graceful touch in her voice but Anette can bring out emotions in songs, she can sound sad, angry, soft, warm or rocky and that is also great for Nightwish's songs. And yes she can do that sometimes even better than Tarja. Some songs sound in my eyes nicer when sung by Tarja but some sound better when sung by Anette.

I for myself love Nightwish for their lyrics and the interpretation of them by the vocalist and for that, Tarja as well as Anette are great because both deliver wonderful interpretations of the emotions of the songs.

Why people are still so bitter and angry after so many years is totally beyond me.

Empathica wrote on 30.08.2009 at 19:08
@Empathica

I think you are pretty much missing the point here. We are not here because we want Tarja back. At least I don't. The thing is, that I (and propably many others too) want Anette out, and to be replaced by any singer who knows what metal is about, respects and loves it and someone who is in the band for the band and the music, not for fame and riches. And IMO Anette really is a pretty weak singer, especially when she should sound at least a little bit metal. Pop singing and metal music just doesn't add up well IMO, which is the very reason why I no longer listen to DPP at all.

Jaussi wrote on 30.08.2009 at 20:33
@Legeon

Great, yes we agree :)

@ Moonsorrow

Well yes, that wasn't specially a reason to be fired, but even Tuomas recognized that he has a deja vu when we knew about Anette's personal manager.

@ Empathica

Yes, you are right, we don't know why they decided to fire Tarja, but we supose that the reasons because she was fired are the ones that the guys written in the letter. Tarja was taking a lot of time for her solo career, maybe Anette won't do that, but at least she is taking the same way that Tarja took. Tarja did it in 9 years, Anette in 3. Sure that Tarja doesn't mind all this news, she has a career, a very opened one, between classical and metal music...
I'm not angry with Anette interpretation, I don't like it, that's all. Sure It is not Anette's fault that Tarja got fired, we are just saying our opinion concerning the new era...
I wish for Anette the best, but she will release a pop album and she in only knew in the metal world, so, what I want to mean is that she used NW just to be known in a world who propably won't buy her album

haatidje wrote on 30.08.2009 at 20:39
@Empathica

I won't answer to all the things you said,they have already been answered before.

But i will answer about this:

"that starts by stop referring to her by her surname, it is extremely rude."

1)I live in a society where people get insulted if you call them by their name and not their surname if you don't know them personally.And that applies to the whole planet.
2)Holopainen has been refering to Tarja as "Turunen",i don't see any freaking complain about that.
3)Calling her by her name shows closeness,which i do not with to show.I don't like her,i don't appreciate her,i don't know her,i've never met her(she didn't have the politeness to come near us at the gig) therefore i don't feel like calling her like that.

Legeon wrote on 30.08.2009 at 22:26
I have a mixed opinion on this
I think that anette does have a deffinate right to have a solo album if the guys can then so can she

but she does seem to milking the fame with her website etc.

and as for the "not metal voice" part of it... so who cares?! she brings originality to the band and industry... look at tarja she used to hate metal until tuomas introduced her to the idea back in 96/97
anette doesnt seem the type to just cancel sold out shows for her own gain... or not cooperate with the band until on stage or take a differant plane to a venue or any shit like that
tuomas has even said shes done an amazin job in fillin in tarja's position very very well

so on the whole good on her i think :)

Jack UK wrote on 30.08.2009 at 22:30
Storm: This is such a tired, and most importantly, ELITIST "argument" comeback. You needn't be a musician to hear when a musician fucks up.

"Get a life" is the other oldest, most pathetic, clichéd and ELITIST comeback imaginable. Or the one about not being "open-minded". Is this all you NW apologists are able to come up with?

CanuckFan: The only ambition I can see from her is the ambition to make money. ;-) Why didn't she start a solo project back when she was in Alyson Avenue? Oh, SUDDENLY she gets "creative".

Empathica: You assume one thing, so I can assume something else. Yes, there WAS something wrong in the band, namely the greed of Tuomas and Marco.

Almagest wrote on 30.08.2009 at 22:55
Jack UK: Bullshit, Tarja never hated metal, she was just not very much into it back in 1996. She mentioned that she used to go to metal gigs with friends, like Stratovarius and King Diamond and that she loved Whitesnake, which is hard rock, at least. Stop spreading lies and uninformed prejudice about her. People act as if she had grown up in a prison where she was closed off from rock music. Tuomas was the one who never liked metal until his US guest family dragged him to a Metallica gig. Nor does Anette like or even care about metal, obviously.

Almagest wrote on 30.08.2009 at 23:04
@ Legeon

Re. "I live in a society where people get insulted if you call them by their name and not their surname if you don't know them personally.And that applies to the whole planet."

"And that applies to the whole planet."

What planet are you from, then? Because that certainly isn't the case in Canada. Until you visit every single culture on THIS planet and are accustomed to their mores, don't make generalizing statements like that. It just shows your ignorance.

CanuckFan wrote on 30.08.2009 at 23:29
Oh and Empathica,about the letter full of lies,let me tell you this:

First of all,the part about Oslo.Tarja had no intention to cancel the show to go to the movies.BUT she had arranged her solo rehearsals,because she didn't know there was any freaking show until some days earlier,when NW management decided to inform her.

And the part about "compensation and more money from everything"...Well as far as i know,NW signed with a water company,not Tarja.NW have paid "meet-and-greets" and you can't meet them for free,when Tarja had a free signing session.
NW hired a singer that needs clothing sponsors,it wasn't Tarja who did that.
NW have used any possible way to get attention,not Tarja.
Also,NW have played in every freaking festival and venue the last years,damaging their singer and her health.Not Tarja.

Legeon wrote on 31.08.2009 at 00:03
@CanuckFan

Oh please...You are even going to admit that earth is square if the one who says it disagress with me about your Princess.

So,in your country,you can call someone you DON'T KNOW by their name?And not their last name?
You must be a very rude country then.

"It just shows your ignorance. "

For a person that says that people call persons they don't know with their name,it seems i'm not the ignorant here.

But it's obvious you will say anything as long as it is the opposite to what i say.
AND you will fill it with superficial clues about me.

Legeon wrote on 31.08.2009 at 01:20
Re. "You must be a very rude country then."

You really don't represent Greece well. And you want to be a politician, eh? God help your countrymen. I hope you learn a little diplomacy between now & when you run for office.

CanuckFan wrote on 31.08.2009 at 01:41
FLAME WAR!!!!

Jeremy wrote on 31.08.2009 at 03:43
i personally think this is a little too rush, she's been in NW for a short period of time, and now she want to go solo, the excuse the she will bored while NW comes with a new album, i think it's ridiculous, she should respect NW, they have been really supportive with her, above all the fans,i'm not gonna critize her as a singr, but a personally think she doesn´s sing NW songs with the enough feeling, that's why all the songs sound not quite well as they should.

the only thing i could say is that she should give more respect to NW, the music and the fans, and acting like she's doing, despite all the "drama" around her joing in NW, is just disrepectful...

Limnu wrote on 31.08.2009 at 07:32
I'm a huge metal fan and I like Anette, does that make me poppy? =/ . I'm kind of offended by that. Let's change the subject for the good of everyone =) . Have you heard Cloudscape? It's a very nice proggresive metal band =D

Jorge wrote on 31.08.2009 at 08:45
It would be very naive to believe that Anette hires a producer and songwriter of that caliber, and spends that much money, just for a hobby album. Of course she's very seriously trying to create a solo carreer.
If she only wanted a sideproject to avoid getting bored during the break, she would co-operate with her friends who have their own studios, not hire Celine Dion's songwriter. Believe me, this guy is not cheap.
And of course she wants to keep her Nightwish job as a plan B. You never know how things go in music business.
We will see what happens. Will NW be happy to be Anette's plan B, or will they get rid of her and find a more committed singer?

Cate wrote on 31.08.2009 at 09:24
"tuomas has even said shes done an amazin job in fillin in tarja's position very very well"

Tuomas obviously has bad judgment. Admittedly, Anette's live voice has gotten better during the last two years, but it's still not good enough. Just because you can reach high notes doesn't mean that it sounds good. And every high note for Anette is an effort, anyone can hear that.

Nightwish songs are too hard for her, but she was good with BF and Pain, those songs suited her voice better.

And I don't want Tarja back, I think she's doing fine on her own, and she gets to use her voice better than with NW. But NW needs someone who is tremendously good technically, but also has feeling.

I think deep inside, Tuomas can hear Anette is not good enough, but what is he supposed to say to the media? He made a very bad decision, and now he needs to defend himself. I wish he'd be more selfish (even more...) and think about his creation.

NW is his life and he's slowly killing it. Why can't he see that?

itneverstops wrote on 31.08.2009 at 10:47
Might be true Anette darling but compared to you the guys know how do make music and dont fail in every fucking tone they are doing. Please just keep you mouth shot for the upcoming 2 years please. I respect you as a person but come on singing is just not your destiny

Solskinn wrote on 31.08.2009 at 10:50
Cate wrote one of the most down-to-earth (not in NW sense of being D-T-E, but in sense the rest of planet use)

"It would be very naive to believe that Anette hires a producer and songwriter of that caliber, and spends that much money, just for a hobby album. Of course she's very seriously trying to create a solo carreer. "

EXACTLY the point. You know, these producers do not produce FREE OF CHARGE just because they fall in love with Princess. :-)

So, if you believe this is just "something to do while waiting for new NW album" - you know, you are right. And moon is on its way pushed by an elf called Strotophorus.
And I truly am a mermaid, tail included.

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 11:23
@haatidje , you are right. Tuomas said that. Anyway, I don't think they had a problem with Tarja's solo project itself ;)

Moonsorrow wrote on 31.08.2009 at 11:35
@Legeon. In Finland people often refer to other people calling them by surname. It's not something negative, I guess (maybe some Finns can confirm it) .

MFF Staff: It's true that Finns often refer to others by their surname. Don't know why though :) I'm a Finn and I do it a lot too.

Tero
MFF

Moonsorrow wrote on 31.08.2009 at 11:37
Now, the surname problem:

Empathica acuused Legeon:
" being respectful and that starts by stop referring to her by her surname, it is extremely rude."

Legeon is NOT rude. As she explained to you Maestro reffered to Tarja as to Turunen - so Legeon is not less respectfull then Maestro himself.

In my culture is being called by first name also VERY DISRESPECTFULL (untill, of course you are not a kid, or close friend, or close family of the person).

Kids are called first names. As far as I was a teacher who did teach TEENAGERS (14-19 yeras old) I was expected to call them by surnames. Only kids under 14 are called first names.
Then, naturally, lovers, cousins, brothers, sisters, etc.
You call your older relative by "function" - so it is. "auntie Mary" or "uncle John"

As for the rest of population you do not just use surnames, you also use plural. As in Germany with "Sie".
As if: "Was haben Sie gesagt, Frau Fischer?"

In some countries I have visited (and I heard it is still used in some parts of my coutry, too)
Grandparents and priests are still reffered with "they".
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As for Legeon:

Americans and (by the look of it) canadians, too, use firts names.

I worked for years in foreign companies and I was called and reffered to by my first name. It was not meant to be rude or disrespectfull. :-)
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So, let us take a decission here: Tarja is finish. Maestro is finish, too.

Legeon called her the same way like Maestro, so she was as rude as Maestro.

Maybe Maestro was rude, too. But in this case I seriously doubt that Legeon was rude KNOWINGLY.

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 11:38
Legeon wrote:

"I am a 35 year old pastry chef"

.-)

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 11:38
@mermaid

"Legeon wrote:

"I am a 35 year old pastry chef" "

I didn't say that.Where did you find that???

Legeon wrote on 31.08.2009 at 12:26
Sorry, Legeon,

CanuckFan wrote /here) she is 35 years old pastry chef.

I am mentioning you today A LOT, so I did a typo.

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 13:21
Oh my! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

I always knew it, but it's offical. NW news/drama is more interesting than the music they now make.

Fly, Anette, fly! I wish you so much luck on your upcoming SOLO album. Now that your star is bright (hahaha) grab all that should be yours! Alyson Avenue wasn't good enough for you. Your own husband wasn't good enough and now NW isn't good enough for you. After only ONE album and tour... You're going where you were always meant to go SOLO, singing songs rejected by the likes of Celine Dion, Madonna, and JESSICA SIMPSON!

HAHAHAHA!

Nightwish has no choice but to chuck her otherwise they look like HUGE idiots. Isn't NW supposed to be a "WAY OF LIFE, something to LIVE for" and not just a way to make money/fame? How can Tuomas write songs for her to sing now that it's obvious NW isn't a way of life for her? How can she be the voice for his precious poems of deepest pain when she doesn't give a flying crap? HAHAHA! This is so funny!

It'll be interesting to see how the DPP tour ends. I doubt it would be with an open letter, so maybe he'll fire her ON STAGE. Tee-hee!

DarkWingsAscending wrote on 31.08.2009 at 13:28
@mermaid

No prob :)

Wow,did you just ADMIT you made a mistake???
Oh dear,this must be Phantom's lucky day :P

Legeon wrote on 31.08.2009 at 13:32
DarkWingsAscending:

:-)

Legeon,

this is indeed the lucky day for Phantom. I even agreed (just for this one day) that Phantom is a male.

But this was not my first mistake, I think. And as for my typos :-( i am getting too fast, which means too terrible as well.

Almagest will start to think I am arabian.
:-)

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 14:02
Almagest

I replied to your Xena comment on article where we run this discussion (Narrowmindedness in music)

:-)

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 14:04
Hi, Tero,

it is good to see you back. :-)

MFF Staff: Thank you Mermaid :)

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 14:11
Legeon said:
"NW fans attack Tarja, no one tells them to get a life.
We attack Olzon,we must get a life.Or we are narrow-minded.
At least we attack Olzon about what she does/says.
NW fans attack Tarja based on what others said on a letter full of proven lies."

Then she says:
"1)I live in a society where people get insulted if you call them by their name and not their surname if you don't know them personally.And that applies to the whole planet.
2)Holopainen has been refering to Tarja as "Turunen",i don't see any freaking complain about that.
3)Calling her by her name shows closeness,which i do not with to show.I don't like her,i don't appreciate her,i don't know her,i've never met her(she didn't have the politeness to come near us at the gig) therefore i don't feel like calling her like that."

------------------

Yes it is considered rude in some countries addressing people you do not know with their first names, which is why you use their surnames with a titles like MR, MRS or MISS depending on their marital status.

You calling Tarja Turunen "Tarja" and Anette Olzon "Olzon" is just contradicting yourself and your little theory - it does not make sense then if you would be doing what you said you are doing. It is either "Turunen and Olzon" or "Tarja and Anette" or "Mrs Turunen and Miss Olzon".

And for Finns calling themselves by their surnames, that is so, yes but after all we are all writing in English here which means the standards of the English language apply and this is either first name basis or surnames with titles.

And of course people call band members by their first name without actually "knowing" them, this has nothing to do with disrespect or are you saying you are deliberately disrespectful to Tarja Turunen by referring to her as "Tarja" - Ooooh shame on you. =)

So please, cut the crap with your cultural blabla and just admit that you just cannot control yourself when it comes to showing your dislike to Anette which is why you call her "Olzon". There is no denying that.

Empathica wrote on 31.08.2009 at 14:41
"Oh dear,this must be Phantom's lucky day :P"

How nice to notice that I'm so important for you :P .
Am I right, Mermaid? ;)

Mermaid, thanks for letting us to know your age. Now I can say that you are almost as old as your dear Princess ;). I know it's not very gentleman like .

Phantom wrote on 31.08.2009 at 15:01
"tuomas has even said shes done an amazin job in fillin in tarja's position very very well"

Whoever said that , he/she is a genius ;) . Of course Tuomas has to say like that. Did you expect him saying "No, she didn't an amazing job filling Tarja's position" ? :P

Phantom wrote on 31.08.2009 at 15:03
Phantom,

our very brave male - it was CanuckFan who is 35, not me, so you most probably wanted to thank her.

As for "Olzon" I never used that name - it is most probably Legeon you wanted to talk to.

And as for your happy day - that was Legeon observation. You should thank HER for recognizing your importancy...

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 15:34
Mermaid, you are old too .
An adult woman, with so many experiences to tell.

Good luck :D

Phantom wrote on 31.08.2009 at 15:44
"As for "Olzon" I never used that name - it is most probably Legeon you wanted to talk to. "

I never accused you of using Olzon, as I couldn't care less .

Phantom wrote on 31.08.2009 at 15:45
Perhaps you were answering to Empathica

Phantom wrote on 31.08.2009 at 15:46
Empathica,

I would not call Tarja "Tarja" if she would not chose this as her "artistic name".

If she did chose different artistic name, I would call her differently.

If she would chose an artistic name "devil" I will call her Devil, or Mrs. Turunen.

The same goes for NW - we do not call them Mr., MR., Mr., and Mrs. Nightwish, you know.

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 16:32
Netka ima da letis pa da pevas "Tosku"!
For You isn't nw!(Bolje da pevas u Djogani)
So Bye Bye Anette!!!!!!
pocni solo karijeru i pose*i se u nju!
WE WANT TARJA!My (Night)wish is to Tarja come back in NW!

Babaroga wrote on 31.08.2009 at 17:36
@Empathica

When Olzon change her artistic name to "Anette" and not "Anette Olzon" she's today, i'll consider calling her that.

BUT,i've met Tarja,she signed my copy of MWS and hugged me-that is the closest i got from her.
But even that,is MUCH more close than any connection i ever had with Olzon.

For example:I never call Bruce Dickinson "Bruce"(only if a have alreasy said the whole name before and just put the first name for short) for i have never met him,but i have met Par Sundstrom of Sabaton and i refer to him as "Par" when i find him on Facebook.

But if you search for my older comments you will see me calling Olzon "Anette" or Holopainen "Tuomas"---that was until i realised how rude it is.It shows closeness we never had.

Legeon wrote on 31.08.2009 at 21:46
@ Legeon

Here in America, we don't care about how we call people here. It's totally different. But damn, Tarja hugged you? You are so lucky! ;)

James wrote on 01.09.2009 at 00:17
Legeon =) who would have thought that behind your bad-ass mask is a cute Tarja fangirl.

When I first came to this website I found your posts highly rude and disturbing but once I stuck around I realised that this was only an act on your part and should not be taken seriously.

I read on the Nightwish forum somewhere that you are so rude towards Anette Olzon on this (MFF) and other websites (YouTube etc. not sure I have never seen you there) because you once sent your own tape to Nightwish but Anette Olzon got the job instead? Don't tell me this is true.

Either way, stay the way you are, it is entertaining (not meant patronising).

Empathica wrote on 01.09.2009 at 06:18
Oh looky, we have a new Anette fangirl who can't stand people criticizing Anette because it's so rude. Grow up Empathica and stop spreading lies about everyone who so rudely talks about your idol, who herself is rude to the band and it's fans by not respecting them or their opinions.

Jaussi wrote on 01.09.2009 at 11:31
@ Jaussi:

?

I am sorry but I think you misread my post.

I never said I cannot stand people that critizise Anette. If at all, I cannot stand disrespectful critiscm and that is not even what I wrote.

What I wrote was that I found it very sweet that Legeon was so fan-girly (standing in line to get a CD signed, getting a hug etc.) for Tarja - does that make me an Anette fangirl?

And I did not tell lies, I was asking Legeon if it was true, that is all.

Empathica wrote on 01.09.2009 at 12:49
@ Empathica

My apologies, I didn't read your comments well enough and understood it all wrong.

Jaussi wrote on 01.09.2009 at 19:02
@Empathica

"so rude towards Anette Olzon on this (MFF) and other websites (YouTube etc. not sure I have never seen you there) because you once sent your own tape to Nightwish but Anette Olzon got the job instead? Don't tell me this is true. "

OH MY GOD.Please don't tell me this is true!
Tell me now who said this and where?

For Christ's sake people,do some thinking.I am 20,so that would make me 17 when the auditions started.Still in school,in other words.How could i have possibly apply?
Still,even if i was adult,i probably have a much worse voice than Anette Olzon or even Tuomas Holopainen.Honestly.

BUT even then,my ambition is to become a politician,not a singer!For God's sake who told this?

I suppose someone that had NO OTHER argument or accusation for me,so he/she came up with this.

But for the fact that i don't like Anette Olzon-it is true.

Legeon wrote on 01.09.2009 at 19:30
@Empathic

Also,i can't understand how hugging Tarja makes me a sweet fan girl.

I have hugged Par Sundstrom too.And Casey Grillo.How that makes me a sweet fan girl?

Legeon wrote on 01.09.2009 at 19:32
@ Legeon: I did not mean to insult you by calling you a sweet fangirl, I just did not think you had it in you, no offense I hope? It was meant positively, not negatively.

LOL @ the audition part: yeah OK it sounded pretty weird. I am not even sure where I read it and maybe I am remembering things badly, who knows.

Either way, my question has been answerred.

Empathica wrote on 01.09.2009 at 20:45
@ Legeon (sorry for the double post): Politician? Nice. Are you attending a special college/school for that, like a linguistic study / debating classes or something like that?

Empathica wrote on 01.09.2009 at 20:47
@Empathica

I am a student in the International And European Studies school in Panteion University of Social And Political Sciences.
The courses we have include political history and theory,psychology,strategy,foreign languages,economics,diplomatic history and law.

Legeon wrote on 01.09.2009 at 21:10
By the way does anybody know any of the 2000 girls (I think it was 2000) who sent a tape to Nightwish ? Would be nice to hear what the other girls sounded like ...

Yva wrote on 01.09.2009 at 23:34
"By the way does anybody know any of the 2000 girls (I think it was 2000) who sent a tape to Nightwish ? Would be nice to hear what the other girls sounded like ..."

Here's one of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3REKcTlFU94

Not much worse than Anette but not good either...

itneverstops wrote on 02.09.2009 at 00:48
@itneverstops

omg... well I'm glad tuomas didn't pick that girl.. she's worse than Anette... (i can't believe I said that O.o but yep she is!!)

Good luck with your career in politics Legeon .. perhaps you'll save our country!!! :)

Good luck Anette with your Solo -I don't hate you, I may like you in DPP a little but not Enough!! - Wish Nightwish to be glorious again... without you :)

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna wrote on 02.09.2009 at 01:29
@ itneverstops

That girl was okay singing "Forever Yours", but not great. She is in a Brazilian thrash metal band and her vocals just don't cut it for me. She is rather cold and her voice has no power to it for that kind of music. Anette is better than her still...:o

But she just needs practice thats all. At least her band is trying to be unique and edgier than the typical female-fronted metal band nowadays.(aka Evanescence, Tristania, NW, WT, etc.)

James wrote on 02.09.2009 at 01:30
It's nice to hear that they all have projects before the next album!Tuomas said in one new interview:"...we gonna do these last gigs and after that keep more free time in the end of this year.After the New Year we gonna star to think what kind of album we gonna make and what songs we gonna record.Me,Marco and Emmpu has done all ready new songs..."!
DDP album is the best selling NW album so far so they really has a big challenge...

Jimmie wrote on 02.09.2009 at 01:33
Come on, that recording is a cappella, has bad sound quality and no production - moreover it's a ballad - hardly a way to really showcase her voice and compare with Anette (especially her artificial studio sound). Juliana has power, range and versatility galore and can actually stay in tune live, too. Let me give you some examples:

For studio sound, listen to the Dremora & Lamented Despondency songs on http://www.myspace.com/juliananovo

The Pharao Sails to Orion live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69gkTmhr7T0

Metal Gods live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaZTmnoGkIY

Smoke On the Water live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uogkFnPpyp0

Sorry for the bad sound quality. But you know, Anette's voice would never make a microphone overdrive like that ... :P

(Or Jenn, Burgundia - they're all so much better than Anette ...)

Almagest wrote on 02.09.2009 at 05:45
It seems that Nightwish will be looking for a new singer really soon. Anette its obviously backstabbing the band, using their fame to promote herself. If this kind of actions on her part continue it wont be long before all Nightwish fans end up hating her.

Ragnarok wrote on 02.09.2009 at 06:34
I truly enjoyed discussion between Legeon and Empathica ..

Empathica is clearly a new person here - that is a reason, Legeon, that she did not know.

Empathica,

you might see Legeon´s postings on all Tarja´s articles. She claimed herself to be Tarja´s fan many times. As well as the Seer.
It is me, who is not.

For us, who are around these are no news.
Neither her studies, nor her fiancee in US.

Actually, Legeon, when are you due for US?

Legeon,

you are really famous - by the look of it. But even if you are as famous as to be hated on true NW forum, still - we should remember that there are some new faces here. :-)

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 10:40
Jimmie told us:

"After the New Year we gonna start to think what kind of album we gonna make and what songs we gonna record.Me,Marco and Emmpu has done all ready new songs."

Well, let me count. The issued DPP in 2007. Not we are told that new album will be in 2011 - FOUR years later!!

and what is even more interesting - do you remember interviews with Maestro in the beginning of this year saying "my head is exploading with ideas"?..

now Jimmie told us that next year they wil start to think?

Is it just me, or something is suddenly different?

My personal opinion is that to wait FOUR years for a new album is a way too much time and they are in no position to do that.

They used their war with Tarja to keep attention of their fans last time - but if they are not going to kill somebody this time - how do they think they will manage this time?

As for Maetro´s dream coming true - I think he is going to do some movie music. He longed for that and advertised his longing a lot.

Which is a good thing - Princess´dreams will come true - she will sing the leftovers of her idols.
Maestro´s dreams will come true as well - he will be sitting home, doing movie music and interviews.

Marco has his bands.
Jukka his business.
Emppu will manage on his own.

Who really need NW?
I bet that in 2011 we will be told that there will be a delay...

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 11:47
What a shame it would be if DPP would be the last NW album made.

Jaussi wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:13
Barbaroga told s:

"pocni solo karijeru i pose*i se u nju! "

meaning:

"start solo carrier and get fucked with her?"

though, "Poseri" is related more to shit production then to sexual art...

Is it just me or really many new faces started to come to this place?

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:17
Jaussi,

what fan it would be!?...
they stated in their famous letter to Tarja that she wants to stay ONE more album but they want to do it WHILE THE FIRE BURNS.....

In the end fire would burn only one more album, so they could stay with Tarja as well..

BUT WITHOUT all this publicity they achieved by firing her

- and that would not be such a great thing.

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:21
From or famous entertainment blog:

"Saturday, 29 August 2009
Saturday morning;=)

Hope you all slept well! I slept so good and when I woke up the song I started yesterday just filled my head;=) so, today after all the things I need to do in the daytime, I need to sit down by the piano again.

I cant tell you how I love to do songs again. Its been so many years just singing others songs and that is so fine, but there still is something in me as an artist that wants to come out. A creativity inside that needs to be let outside;=) And with all the touring these 2 years I havent had any feeling of that flow but now with the easier and more normal life, it comes to me. Its a nice feeling;=)"

Tears in my eyes.... I am SO happy she stopped her heavy and difficult times with NW and cold be creative again..

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:47
That would actually be pretty boring, very boring. Small news here and there about bad vibes within the band, one album made by a group that didn't get along that well anymore, possibly an album that would have been worse than DPP, maybe not, but possibly. Perhaps we can this way some day think that Anette was a stepping stone for NW to continue as NW. Who knows.

And we wouldn't have the awesome Jorn Lande version of I Walk Alone if things had gone that way.

If you could decide, who would you have as the next singer in NW? I'd say Helena Haaparanta would be perfect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fNBscSOQcU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKEhY44emOk

Jaussi wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:50
Jaussi said: "What a shame it would be if DPP would be the last NW album made."

Tuomas said that when Nightwish would/will stop the last album is going to be an instrumental album. I think we can safely assume that there is at least one more album coming out with Anette, so in total I guess two more at least.

@ Legeon: pretty impressive - your studies

@ mermaid: yes I am new indeed ;)

Empathica wrote on 02.09.2009 at 13:01
Empathica said to Legeon:

"When I first came to this website I found your posts highly rude and disturbing but once I stuck around I realised that this was only an act on your part and should not be taken seriously. "
__________________________

That is not such a good idea, either. Legeon MUST be taken seriously, she is our warrior. :-P

Still, warrior or not, I do not remember Legeon to be RUDE.

What did you mean by that, Empathica?

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 13:16
Empathica said:

"I think we can safely assume that there is at least one more album coming out with Anette, so in total I guess two more at least. "

Are you so sure, Empathica? What if Princess will succed?
What if the talk about "what kind of album we are going to do" they are going to have next year (as Jimmie told us)

is about doing this decision exactly?

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 13:19
Jaussi,

even more fun will we have when Princess will start gain sales in US with her poppy album
and NW cease to exist..

All this talks about: Tarja did not want to US, because she did not want to promote band she was about to leave...

will sudenly looks FUNNY, after new singer has got promoted in US BY NW and she will make it to charts there...

leaving poor NW behind.

Could you imagine better fun, then this?

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 13:52
@mermaid

Thank you.I don't think i was ever rude to anyone(only if he/she started first)...But many fans think that when an unknown person/nickname posts something negative about them in a site,is rude to them.

But Empathica,Anette Olzon-who is a famous person and what she says is heard by many people-was rude against my country.

So,what is more annoying?Some unknown people in a site criticizing her OR famous Olzon saying bad things about a country that she had NEVER been or performed before?

Legeon wrote on 02.09.2009 at 15:24
That would be just too much fun mermaid. :D

Jaussi wrote on 02.09.2009 at 15:27
Legeon,

Empathica is new here. She most probably does not know what are you talking about.

Empathica,

Legeon is greek. Princess offended all Greece - I think in March this year. If you did read Greek MetalHammer, you knew what did she say. (we gave some linking s here)
And that Maestro had to apologize for what she said.

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 15:48
Jaussi,

I learned not to underestimate this band as far as fun is concerned...

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 15:49
@mermaid

It was March of last year,after their performance in March Metal Day in Athens-which i am really sad to say that i attended and paid 60 euros to see them play like they wanted to leave immediately and only 50 minutes.Not that it was their fault,but IT WAS their fault that they showed all their annoyance to us.

Funny thing is that bigger bands that also played,like Nevemore,said nothing.But of course,Anette Olzon in her first world tour has much more demands.

Legeon wrote on 02.09.2009 at 18:24
But,i really hope that she will follow her recommendation-that no band should play here-and won't visit us for her solo tour.

We have enough big-star-wannabe pop singers here.More than enough actually,and she won't be missed.

Legeon wrote on 02.09.2009 at 18:26
@ Legeon

Didn't Anette say that she "fucking" hated the show in Greece? I read about that. My interpretation of the whole thing is that I think she meant that to the people who ran the show itself, not to the fans like yourself. Still, it was completely out of line what she said and it made her look like a total ass afterwords. I don't blame you for being mad, and I am sure there are more NW haters now because of that. Those comments should be kept to themselves, not the public!! :O

*sigh* Only Nightwish styled drama could pull that off so terribly... XD

James wrote on 02.09.2009 at 19:27
This girl was 2nd choice after Anette, if I remember well... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1C933ONNhA&feature=related

Sentore wrote on 02.09.2009 at 22:43
If I call Olzon Mrs. Botox is that rude?

And someone said that she brought originality in the music world. I can only agree with that. Unlike Anette, all other singers first record an album and then get botox.

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 00:26
"This girl was 2nd choice after Anette, if I remember well... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1C933ONNhA&feature=related"

O_O Really ?
Are you shure ???

Devy wrote on 03.09.2009 at 00:32
@ Sentore

Well, she IS Canadian... :)

CanuckFan wrote on 03.09.2009 at 00:32
@Sentore

You must be kidding...They let THIS for Olzon???

This girl sings both normal and classical,she is beautiful,she looks young,she is passionate, she has control over her voice and breath...

If this is true then once more is confirmed that they chose Olzon only in order to start endless discussions and noise...not that they picked the best,like Olzon's fans say!

Legeon wrote on 03.09.2009 at 00:38
Well I think her album might be good. But I when I saw them in St.pete Florida for my birthday ( my mom drove my 3 hours to get there) She was ok live, personally I like Tarja. I just hope she won't forget about Nightwish. I loved them since I was 11 when i first heard of them. :/

Sammy Blake*Pezzy 4 ever* wrote on 03.09.2009 at 01:30
James: I'm disappointed - I thought you'd realise that Evanescence is not a metal band. If you check Juliana's other stuff, you'll see that she doesn't have any lack of power. Ballads are not the kind of songs she enjoys performing most, so much is true. I agree that she still needs practice, but for an untrained singer she is really good.

The Canadian girl is quite impressive, too. Her pop vocals have a lot of vibrato though, perhaps a bit too much, but her classical vocals are very good. There are any number of singers in the world to find who'd been able to fill Tarja's shoes - not perfectly, but more than decently, and better than Anette, as the proliferation of female-fronted metal bands shows.

Almagest wrote on 03.09.2009 at 02:56
@ Almagest

Of course Evanescence isn't metal. They never claimed they were metal, yet Amy Lee has better vocals than both Anette and that Brazilian girl itneverstops showed us. I just don't care for Amy's music, it's just too bland for my taste. That Brazilian girl's band is thrash metal, which is different than "Evanescence" type music. It's cool to see something a little different, but her and that band have a LONG ways to go if they want to make it amongst the over saturated genre.

Skyrion, which is another female fronted band from Brazil, has a girl (Vitoria) very similar to Anette's style of vocals, perhaps a little better:

http://www.myspace.com/skyrion

The band fuses old Nightwish or After Forever with a touch of Evanescence and a progessive style like Symphony X, but it still sounds very trendy to what's going on right now in metal with the female-fronted metal bands. I think the Brazilian band Skyrion has decently talented musicians, much like Angra before them for example, but they are coming into the scene a little too late. That's the problem. There are too many of these bands now and it seems that there needs to be something different. Skyrion certainly doesn't get any points for uniqueness that's for sure.

Vitoria still has somewhat of a pop/rockish voice and she may not be able to handle Nightwish songs very well either, but she seems more in tune with the metal/rock scene than Anette does, therefore making her a better choice than Anette.

Holy cow, the girl Sentore showed us was AWESOME! She has an amazing voice and sounds and looks great (she's very attractive O_O ;) ). Hell, she even sings DPP songs WAY better than Anette even... This just goes to show who they would have picked up instead of her...

James wrote on 03.09.2009 at 04:28
Yeah, I'm pretty sure... I met her in Montreal, with NW's managers, and that's what they were saying... tho' I can't remember if she was 2nd or 3rd choice... Anyway. She was one of the first choices, but Anette got the job...

Cassiopée's a really nice person: she sings in musical, and is doing pretty good, here in Montreal and Quebec city. It's a shame they didn't give her a chance, tho' I guess they knew exactly what they were looking for........... Maybe, at that time, Anette felt like a good choice...

Sentore wrote on 03.09.2009 at 06:28
Seer,

you BAD boy!

You have almost two weeks of delay and you just come and look as if nothing happened at all???

We have been FRIGHTENED!

I am not so sure I am even going to talk to you...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 09:45
James,

no, it was not that inocent:

http://www.last.fm/user/creepdeath/journal/2008/04/18/b79bo_nightwish_interview_at_kerrang!__%22no_band_should_play_in_greece%22

and

http://tuomas-oceansoul.blogspot.com/2009/03/entrevista-tuomas-metal-hammer-greek.html

We had a lot of fun about that with Legeon - I asked here whether she also throw her TV from the window or her assistant did it for her?
(It was on this "life couch" article)

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 09:49
Legeon,

have a look on Anette Olzon in wikipedia.

It says there that she was refused by the band (on account of being mother - but they should tell her something)
and that she inssisted and keep sending DVD to management.
Later on she was contacted by management.

A bit different from official story, is not it?
I remember her telling us about some phone call from Maestro himself...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 09:52
"It says there that she was refused by the band (on account of being mother - but they should tell her something)
and that she inssisted and keep sending DVD to management.
Later on she was contacted by management.

A bit different from official story, is not it?
I remember her telling us about some phone call from Maestro himself..."

Wikipedia is not exactly a trustworthy source. But where exactly is the difference? It was either the management either the band who called her.

Phantom wrote on 03.09.2009 at 10:11
Legeon,

you paid 60 euros (!) to see NIGHTWISH?

Are you a milionairre??..

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 10:43
@mermaid

Yes i did.It wasn't a Nightwish concert,but a metal festival...
But still,60 euros for ONE day is too much for Greece(or any place...)
Now see---in the show was me,my fiancee and my father-in-law(he loves metal)...Figure out how much we paid as a family :)

The only thing i know is that it was a week's salary(i used to work as a waitress to make money for my studies here).

In 2005 we paid 43 euros(if i recollect-i am not sure) for the Nightwish show.

Legeon wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:12
Legeon,

we know they got more expensive - after all, their new vocalist needs manager, assistant, stylist, life couch and that is the only reason why they need cloathing sponsors and tickets are more expensive - not just in Greece but worldwide.

I mentioned that here already - but on US servers people complained about expensive, short and lame performances...

But - good thing is that they still do that for music only - for a good feeling they have...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:23
@mermaid

"good thing is that they still do that for music only - for a good feeling they have..."

Actually if you watch
the videos above,i think it was the third,Olzon says that she would like to have a hobby bands,like the other guys...A band just for fun and not business-because this is Nightwish,business.

Her exact words.
No misunderstandings.

btw,her face is awfully swollen...I know that her lips had an herpes infection(she said it,and it's nothing bad,people can get it very easily from cold places),but the rest of her face?
The only thing moving in her face is her lips---the rest are as stiff as a statue...

Legeon wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:30
Legeon,

have you seen who is back?

Seer damaged himslef by falling off the bicycle!

....would you believe that? His arm is broken.

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:40
mermaid said: "Seer, I am not so sure I am even going to talk to you..."

As long as you're willing to continue destroying Nightwish with me and Legeon I'm fine with it.

"Barbaroga told s: "pocni solo karijeru i pose*i se u nju! "
meaning: "start solo carrier and get fucked with her?"
though, "Poseri" is related more to shit production then to sexual art..."

mermaid how come you understand Serbian?

Oh and have you noticed that lately all Nightwish news have actually been Anette's news? And Maestro used to complain that Tarja was always in the centre of media attention. How EVERYTHING is returning to him. Literally EVERYTHING.

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:47
For fun?

Legeon, she is not capable enough to sing with ONE band, ill all the time, complaining all the time, on a verge of collaps, crying...

you read her blog - she is talking mainly about her gym (bed with nails mentioned more then once).

And she wants to WORK MORE???

Oh, c´mmon.

But what I am really fascinated is her talking about being "back in business" about flow of creativeness in her -

looks like she was enslaved by that poor bad band but now she is FREE and BURSTING with creativity...

Like an animal being removed from dark, wet, small cage...

A LOT of fun in years to come...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:48
Babaroga said: "Netka ima da letis pa da pevas "Tosku"!
For You isn't nw!(Bolje da pevas u Djogani)
So Bye Bye Anette!!!!!!
pocni solo karijeru i pose*i se u nju!
WE WANT TARJA!My (Night)wish is to Tarja come back in NW!"

This post is half Serbian half English. I will translate it:

"You will be kicked out to sing Tosca [???]
For you isn't NW! (better sing in Djogani [crappy Serbian band])
So Bye Bye Anette!!!!!!
Start solo career and take sh*t in her!
WE WANT TARJA! My (Night)wish is to Tarja come back in NW!"

We are obviously dealing with another Tarja die-hard. Like me.

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:56
About herpes - I did not find on our entertaining blog any proof she actually has it.

But she had a nightmare about having a herpes and being eaten alive by black worms...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 11:59
the new recipy on our entertainment blog seems to be promising..

Is domebody of going to cook it?

Let me know then, please..

I can not help myself but I have no real trust in these microwaved potatoes...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 12:01
Seer said:

"mermaid how come you understand Serbian? "

... extremely talented?

yet no idea why Tosca was mentioned and I did not know that Serbian group either...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 12:08
Stephanie B. said: "Just remember what Tarja did."

We have never forgotten that. Nightwish members used to remind us on that 123456789 times through open letters, biography books, countless interviews, DPP songs...

"Oh and as long as she doesn't ignore the guys."

She is not ignoring them. She is "trying to respect" them, according to her own words.

Emphatica said: "All in all what I wanted to say is this: What has happened, happened."

And I want to add "What is to happen, is to happen". The NW soap opera hasn't finished yet.

Jaussi said: "We are not here because we want Tarja back."

I'm here because I want to mock Maestro's rhymes and to lick his aching wounds. :-)

DarkWingsAscending said: "It'll be interesting to see how the DPP tour ends. I doubt it would be with an open letter, so maybe he'll fire her ON STAGE."

It would be a great way to fire her. To suddenly switch off her microphone and her lights in the middle of the concert leaving her in complete dark. XD

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 12:53
@mermaid

She said that she got an herpes infection some days ago...
At the "Stockholm continuation" post...

To me the problem is exactly what TheSeer said:
everything returns to Tuomas.
For example:
-greediness and more money from everything:"make sure you get paid for everything",her own merchandise in her own web-shop,clothing sponsors,solo albums.
-NW now is "business",not something to "live for".
-Personal manager talking care of her needs(?)
-Not liking playing in certain countries-no word needed.

Isn't that all tarja was accused for?
But of course,no NW fan sees it that way now.

Legeon wrote on 03.09.2009 at 13:16
You are underestimating Maestro´s genius, Seer.

They will not fire Princess. They will announce that Maestro has other commitments to care for - like to make some soundtrack to some average movie...

And he will leave with his usual Aura Of Mystery (132 Euro incl. delivery costs)

and everybody will be so surprised that this time was nobody kicked out that

Finland will have a matter to discuss till the end of this year..

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 13:23
Legeon said:

"To me the problem is exactly what TheSeer said:
everything returns to Tuomas. "

well, I do not see A PROBLEM there, guys,
I am actually ENJOYING it...

BTW: Is there something new with his sisters?..

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 13:26
Devy said: ""This girl was 2nd choice after Anette, if I remember well... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1C933ONNhA&feature=related"

O_O Really ?
Are you shure ???"

*.*
This girl is very talented. I'm keeping her on repeat. :-)

mermaid said: "looks like she was enslaved by that poor bad band but now she is FREE and BURSTING with creativity... "

She was surrounded FOR YEARS with terrible and bad people having small houses and now finally she is able to meet some good and funny people with big houses.

@mermaid: You frighten me with the amount of languages you know! Necu vise da pricam sa tobom! :-p

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 13:26
Hvala, Seer,

i dobrodo?ao. Nedostajao si mi puno :-P

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 16:42
There, now we have it -that woman who is an average,mostly weak, singer and pop singer to her bones by the way, who doesn't like or respect metal, who turned out to be crazy only about money,fame and herself, is going to make a solo album-she may call it not a solo career, but of course it is a start of solo career - everything was leading to it. She has been in band only 2 years and she already thinks she is a star? She is not creative, and she thinks she is-that's laughable and sweet.
Anette is so pathetic and predictable. Well, I understand she will be kicked out soon, since she already doesn't even can fake interest for NW and metal music, only money,money and pop,pop,pop )))) She is really disgusting person.

Lorelay wrote on 03.09.2009 at 17:54
And let us all sing aloud

together with a new Alyson Avenue singer
Arabella Vitanc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXb3lLlwUoQ

Bye, bye, beautiful!!!

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 17:54
Hvala mermaid. Ali nemoj se previse vezivati za mene da ne bi zavrsila slomljenog srca. Ne zaboravi da sam ja peder. :-p

Ti si iz Hrvatske jel' tako?

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 18:24
Have you seen that girl's my space pictures?
Correct me if I'm wrong. isn't it Emppu's studios?
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=233248184&albumID=115403&imageID=10950985

Mwaha wrote on 03.09.2009 at 18:26
No puhutaan sitten kielillä. Vae ruvettasko viäntämmään savvoo?

Jaussi wrote on 03.09.2009 at 18:38
@ Mwaha

Thanks for that link! Cassiopee's personal web site and most information I can find on her is in French, which I can't speak. I am familiar with the group Anemonia, however - so now I know exactly whom we're talking about. Hmmm...That would have had very, very interesting possibilities for not only NW, but for metal in Canada (which is quite a sub-culture). Hmmmmmmmmm...

CanuckFan wrote on 03.09.2009 at 19:16
What is wrong with that woman, I mean Olzon? She lost all her dignity or touch of reality if she even had one! And with those curly hair she looks like a pig in a wig, really awful. For the past several months she looks older and older, also kinda fat and creepy.

Harry wrote on 03.09.2009 at 20:40
I'm really impressed by the speed with which Anette is doing all this,like she is trying to bring some settled plan to life. What's the rush? The vulgarity of it is quite obvious. I also wonder if she understands how damaging it is all to her image and band's image. Quite sad to be honest.

Pam wrote on 03.09.2009 at 20:47
I don't think Anette is about to get sacked - only fans with their tounges up Tarjas ass seriously believes, and hopes, that will come true. But IF Tuomas kicks her out of the band, then it will be the end of Nightwish as we know it, because others will leave too, most probably Emppu, perhaps Jukka, and I don't know about Marco. And how many serious singers would apply for the position as frontwoman of a travesty of a band that fires people at random - and who wants to be a member of such a band. Well you can say that anyone will be happy to join because of the fame and money, but if Anette is kicked before the next album, then Nightwish looses it's soul, not only because of Anette, but because they would have squandered their integrity, which in the end will cost them fans AND money.

Mingus wrote on 04.09.2009 at 00:47
@Mingus

"only fans with their tounges up Tarjas ass seriously believes, and hopes, that will come true"

First of all that wasn't very kind,and this place isn't YouTube.You maybe missed the "no harassment towards others" part,buy anyway,to the point:

Many people seriously believe that Olzon is going to be fired,not Tarja's fans.
Tarja fans care only about Tarja.I am a Tarja fan and i don't hope Olzon to be fired BECAUSE OF THE FACT that i am a Tarja fan,but because i am an old NW fan who is sad to see my once favorite band like this.
But that has nothing to do with Tarja,simply because i honestly don't want Tarja back to NW.She is happy now,she makes the music she wants,she is surrounded by the persons she needs and that respect her...So why would she ever get back to NW?After all,she has always wanted a solo career,why would she do that to herself,to return to a band with-let's call it-different retrospect-and limit herself like that?
Even Olzon wants to be more free and let her creativity out.

But i certainly don't want Olzon in NW.My opinion is that NW should have a classical singer,for the very simple fact that they make symphonic power metal and classical voices fit most.Someone like Floor or Lori Lewis.
But i don't think Lori would ever fall to that level.Some singers,classical or normal,have something called class.Or culture.
Olzon lacks both.

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 01:39
It seems some people who live only in the Nightwish realm didn't get the picture exactly like it's nowadays. Anette-haters grew from Tarja's ass lickers to a larger group of people who didn't even like Tarja, actually.

Mwaha wrote on 04.09.2009 at 02:17
I'm sure that her album won't sell more than two copies... I mean: she can't sing, and without the giant orchestra that Tuomas payed, I'm sure that she's going to ambarrasse herself.

YulieAna wrote on 04.09.2009 at 08:22
"I don't think Anette is about to get sacked - only fans with their tounges up Tarjas ass seriously believes, and hopes, that will come true."

A poor example of NW fans narrowmindness, but huh what can be expacted from fanboys/fangirls :) Big news dude, I'm not a Tarja fan, never was one and do not care about her but naturally I'd be glad if NW gets rid of Olzon, no matter if it is going to happen now, soon or later after second album with her, cause she is not good enough to be in metal band like this, not metal singer and without her and with someone who has really good powerful trained and better voice NW would have chance to write more interesting and complicated material, not mainstream commercial stuff, to fit such voice, while with Anette and the need to write for her "zone" they will be limited to that pop-rock like material, as she turned out to be very limited singer.
Still I do not get the drama about that perspective in future, as I got it that Olzon herself does not care really for NW to consider it something really important bar the fact that it is a good cash cow for her or does not care a lot for metal world and feels more comfy in pop world or whatever other music.

"It seems some people who live only in the Nightwish realm didn't get the picture exactly like it's nowadays. Anette-haters grew from Tarja's ass lickers to a larger group of people who didn't even like Tarja, actually."

+100. I'm the example :)

Ned wrote on 04.09.2009 at 08:54
@ mermaid and Legeon: sorry for the late reply but I am not around every day. Thanks for clearing up about the "country remark". I can understand why Legeon as a Greek would be offended by the remark Anette made about Greece ("no band should play in Greece") I personally found that not very well placed myself to put it mildly. Not sure what happened in greece with the promotor but to generalise it to a whole country is bad, she could have rather named the promoter.

But one comment and be judged forever? I am sure she did not mean it the way she said (even though it was a stupid thing to say). Either way, it was 2008. As far as I know she as well as Tuomas have come back on the remark in a video interview and said it was a stupid thing to say and apologised.

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YulieAna said:
"I'm sure that her album won't sell more than two copies... I mean: she can't sing, and without the giant orchestra that Tuomas payed, I'm sure that she's going to ambarrasse herself."

She is not going to make a Nightwish-style album or a symphonic metal album so of course no big orchestras, she said it is going to be a rock album. So I am sure in the rock world are a lot of people who are going to buy it, I for myself am curious how it will be. She has a really good voice for rock, maybe not for metal at all times, but for rock - yes. I personally liked her duets with Michael Borman and even the one with Brother Firetribe very much.

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On a general note, the botox joke that is circling on this website is very low.

She had a bad case of cold sores the day before the Suomi Safari gig. Remember that she had to put her cat down because she suffered from kidney failure, she even could not do it herself because she was in Stockholm, that is a very tough thing to do and to handle. Everyone having a pet knows how much they become a part of your family, are your best friends even, she had her cat for more than 10 years. So when a pet like that dies you grief a lot and grief affects your immune system in a really bad way from one day to the other and cold sores on lips and eyes are a common effect.

When my brother died I had the same, from one day to the other and I can tell you these things hurt like hell. You can tell from the videos above how much it pains her to speak and yet she still manages a joyful interview and a good performance.

Disliking her is one thing, but mocking her grief and the physical side effects is an all-time low, even for the standards here at the MFF site.

(sorry for being the morale police officer this morning)

Empathica wrote on 04.09.2009 at 09:11
"She has a really good voice for rock, maybe not for metal at all times, but for rock - yes."

Not for rock, for pop-rock at best, but mostly for pop. That's her problem. She should do a duet with Jessica Simpson)).

"But one comment and be judged forever? I am sure she did not mean it the way she said (even though it was a stupid thing to say). Either way, it was 2008."

Actually I'm here on the side of all Greek fans. It was awfully bitchy from her to say that, and yeah, it should be remembered cause it categorizes her as a person and as a performer.

"When my brother died I had the same, from one day to the other and I can tell you these things hurt like hell."

You put on the same level a death of her cat and a death of your brother? Lord, have mercy.

"even for the standards here at the MFF site."

the worst standards I've ever seen are the NW official forum -they can be awful there towards any performer or band, not matter, but they are perfect only towards NW.

Fiona wrote on 04.09.2009 at 09:39
Fiona and Empathica:

Legeon was saying somewhere here it happened in March this year (and she attended their gig and paid 60 Euros)

and I am too lazy to search for the Metal Hammer but I am quite sure it was March this year.

So, no 2008, but 5 months ago.

Fiona is right - and Empathica if you did read what she actually said - about thowing TV out of the window..

yes, Fiona is right - this should be remembered, becaus eshe is after all 40 years old or so, NOT a teenager, so she should know better when telling newspapers.

As for her face - the fact is that her face is swollen for a longer time. But no illness could púossibly last forever, so next time we will just see if it was a botox or not.

Time will tell.

As for the cat issue - I will leave it to Legeon, because she was so sweet when she was crazy about that...

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 10:02
@mermaid

The show in Greece was March 2008,but the issue with Tuomas saying that "Annete was too rude to say that" was March 2009.
I own that copy.

@YulieAna

Is this really you from YouTube or someone else?Because the YulieAna from YouTUbe that i know wouldn't say that Olzon can't sing...

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 10:22
Jausii wrote:

"No puhutaan sitten kielillä. .."

Jausii, emme puhu kieltä.

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 10:52
Seer asked:

" Ti si iz Hrvatske jel' tako?"
____________________

Ne, nisam.

I oko moje beza: da li je to relevantno?

Tvojo srce pripada u svakom slucaju Phantomu.... :-P

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 10:54
Fiona said:
"You put on the same level a death of her cat and a death of your brother? Lord, have mercy."

No I did not. Please read my previous post again if you like. It is not about HER cat or MY brother in comparison. It is about what causes GRIEF no matter in what proportions and how the body reacts to grief.

And yes, losing a pet hurts as well, my cat died of cancer and I can tell you that this did not go by me lightly at all. But I can understand that people who do not own or like pets find that hard to understand, because I was the same before I owned a cat.

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mermaid said:
"Fiona is right - and Empathica if you did read what she actually said - about thowing TV out of the window."

I did read what she said. I do not remember the exact words but it was more in the lines of (qutoting Anette Olzon): I wanted to trash a TV in Greece, I was so angry, no band should play in Greece, etc. etc. and the guys ( <----- ) were like "Throw the TV in the pool, you have not done that before" but I remembered that I am a mother and should not do that" or something like that.

The only statement in there that really is bad is that "no band should play in Greece" and I have agreed that this is something she should not have said out loud. For the TV throwing a TV thing or trashing a TV thing, everybody feels like smashing something out of anger from time to time. But feeling like doing it or actually doing it are two different things.

Or are TV sets holy and is is considered blasphemy to talk bad of TV sets? :-)

Empathica wrote on 04.09.2009 at 10:58
@Empathica

I think that because of your love for Anette,you're kinda missing the point...

She didn't just say "no band should play in Greece".She also said "she got so fucked over".
And guess who actually for fucked.Only some thousands of fans standing on their feet for 12 hours in order to see their fave band,with nothing to eat,and when they come out,they have the worst possible sound and they are so annoyed that they couldn't hide it for us,but they SHOWED it to us.They gave a hideous show,and as far as this band is supposed to be about making good music and respecting the fans,we expected them to give at least an energetic show.
What i know is that producers in Greece are more or less the same every year,and i saw two shows of NW with Tarja.
Guess which one(or ones)were better.

About the TV,no, televisions aren't considered to be holy.But the point is about HER URGE to do that,not the action itself.

But i would like her to do that.Here,if you do something like that,you get arrested no matter who you are.She would be released of course,because of diplomatic protection,but i would like to see the expressions of policemen's faces if she would say that she throw the tv because "no band should play in Greece" and that she's so disappointed from Greece.She,with the great experience.
They wouldn't be so happy to hear that.Our officers love this country too much :)

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 11:13
mermaid cini se da ovde imamo trougao slomljenih srca. Ti si slomila Phantomovo, Phantom je slomio moje, a ja sam slomio tvoje. Jbg. Moje je srce slomljeno sto puta, takva mi je sudbina.

We should now switch to English to avoid annoying other people. I'm puzzled as to where mermaid is from. She knows Serbian so it's probably ex-Yugoslavia. She has never heard of Djogani so she is not from Serbia. She said she is also not from Croatia. Then it has to be Macedonia or Bosnia&Herzegovina or Montenegro or Slovenia. Or maybe disputed Kosovo? My seerlike abillities fail to work now...

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 11:53
Mingus said: "but if Anette is kicked before the next album, then Nightwish looses it's soul"

Interesting... I've seen endless discussions throughout the Internet about who is the soul of Nightwish - Tuomas or Tarja. But this is THE VERY FIRST time I see someone claims that Anette is actualy the soul of Nightwish! o.O

@Mingus: thank you for bringing some fresh spirit into these 4 years stale discussions. :-p

YulieAna said: "I'm sure that her album won't sell more than two copies... I mean: she can't sing"

That's THE LEAST problem! There are many successful singers who can't sing. Madonna just to start with. The much bigger problem for Olzon is the fact she botoxed herself before even recording a single album. The usual formula in musical industry was: first album(s) and then botox. This what Olzon is doing is definitely going to be an experiment. And also I see the other problem - her choreography sucks. Other successful singers who can't sing usually have interesting choreography to fill the gap of lame singing. But when it comes to Olzon, both her singing and choreography are equally lame. So let us see what happens. Even me, with multiple certified seerlike abillities, do not dare to predict how successful her solo career is to be.

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 12:15
Empathica said:

"For the TV throwing a TV thing or trashing a TV thing, everybody feels like smashing something out of anger from time to time. But feeling like doing it or actually doing it are two different things. "

and she was right.

But again -
feeling like it and doing it are two different things BUT talking about that in newspapers is THIRD completely different thing.

I might feel angry but as an adult responsible person I am not allowed to show my anger.

When I was a teacher I knew I sometimes felt like throwing my student out of the window, BUT I just knew I should NOT talk about it. Because anger is an easy thing - it comes and goes. People stay. And you should deal with them - again and again and again. Every day.

That is what I think should be remembered about Princess - she likes to burn the bridges. To insult all country means she not just thought about her EVER coming back. It meant that she was not thinking at all.

It is not just about Greece - there are people - and you can see them even here - who ARE thinking. And they think: what kind of 40 years old person she actually is?

Teenagers get angry and they feel like they should tell all the world.
But woman who might become in few years a grandmother - what kind of example would she show her grandchildren??

And more over to Greece topic - how would she feel when she will want to come to Greece on her own gig? She could expect eggs thrown on her, no doubts about that... :-)
And Legeon, do not hesitate to thrown some tomato on my behalf, please.

Was that strange attempt to look interesting by blabbing in newspapers worth it?

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 12:41
@TheSeer

Please.I wouldn't like to start a war here,but i would ask you not to use the name Macedonia for FYROM.

It may be stated like that in every map available,but this country hasn't taken permission yet to use it,and in the UN it is referred "FYROM".

That about law.When it comes to history,better leave this aside,because every country has a different opinion.
I am just too sensitive with that because i am from Macedonia(the Greek territory,not FYROM), i speak and understand the language that Alexander The Great was speaking(ancient Greek),so please use the right name here.The legal one.

Please.

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 12:51
@mermaid

Tomatoes are expensive now,all veges are expensive because of the inflation.

Bricks on the other hand,remain cheap.Many constructive materials.
Besides,i have plenty of them from my work in a "demolition" crew :P

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 12:57
Seer,

subdina??

Ja ozbilno symnam da.
Nema ideja o srdcy fantoma, cak i ako on ima bilo srce.
Ali, kao za mene -
ti niste jedan da rozbije moje.

Kao i za tvoje srce - na?i neko ko ?e se pobrinuti za to :-)

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 13:16
Legeon, Seer,

just no fight WITHIN the construction band, please.

Seer, no, I am not from ex_Yuogoslavia.

Legeon, I believed you will explain to Empathica your views about the way Princess treated her poor cat... :-P

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 13:23
Legeon said:

"Tomatoes are expensive now"

that is true. Food is not to be thrown on bands who actually do not deserve to be feeded..

As for me - I always thought that brick is much more efficient symbol of peace then pidgeon (what is very nice roasted with a piece of butter)... :-))

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 13:26
"feeling like it and doing it are two different things BUT talking about that in newspapers is THIRD completely different thing."

Absolutely - and I agree with you. Always have been about that point.

"When I was a teacher I knew I sometimes felt like throwing my student out of the window."

LOL I wish there were more teachers like that. Reminds me of a story on an English teacher who batted a student with a 2kg weight on the head because he just would not listen.

Understandable but totally unacceptable, just like you said: adults should behave like adults.

"what kind of 40 years old person she actually is?"

She is actually 38, just for the record.

Empathica wrote on 04.09.2009 at 13:42
Legeon said: "@TheSeer Please.I wouldn't like to start a war here,but i would ask you not to use the name Macedonia for FYROM. "

Sorry Legeon, but my hands are tied. I am a citizen of Serbia and my country officially recognized Macedonia under exactly that name. I have to follow the laws of my country before Greek laws. So whenever I call Macedonia Macedonia, you should complain to the Serbian Embassy in Athens rather than me.

I will keep my personal opinion on the matter for myself.

Emotional issues between mermaid and me, political issues between Legeon and me, damn, it seems NW Demolition Crew is going to fall apart before Nightwish. And we were SO close, only 2 more weeks! As I've already said, everything good has to end sometime...

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 13:52
But Seer,

If it is any help I know Pankrti: slovenian punk group.

Actually, for some kind of parties are these guys even more popular then Korpiklani here (with their beer song or how is it exactly called) :-)

because we can SING along with Pankrti.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J7ri91oVcM

and before all of you will jump on your feets and claim me to be italian - well, I am as italian as Pankrti are.

Some songs are just destined to be sung when you march arm in arm down the street after having a fun with your friends in a pub... Good times, good times....

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 14:39
@TheSeer

As i said,i don't want any fight here.These are topics better discussed between politicians,not here...BUT

"I have to follow the laws of my country before Greek laws."

I am not talking about Greek Laws,but International Laws.
And i know what i'm talking about.For example,if a country officially state FYROM as Macedonia,Greece has the right to accuse that country and raise a matter of Internationally Wrongful Act against that country,no matter what that country's laws say.
International Laws are above the internal Constitutions of any country that has accepted the International Laws.

Sorry...

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 14:54
"but if Anette is kicked before the next album, then Nightwish looses it's soul, not only because of Anette, but because they would have squandered their integrity, which in the end will cost them fans AND money."

Since when Anette is NW soul now?
she has never been that close to NW music. If she is kicked out NW won't lost anything.

Phantom wrote on 04.09.2009 at 14:54
@mermaid

As i said,we aren't fighting..It would be fighting if we were talking to each other like "No,i am right,you are wrong" and things like that...I just asked for respect for International Laws.

Do you want me to tell Empathica about Olzon's cat? :P

Well Empathica,your lovely Olzon wanted to keep her sick(from a lethal decease)cat alive in medication for another year because "she(the cat) is a fighter" and because the cat went over Olzon and purred.Just for your information,and you may already know because you said you had a cat,when cats are sick they purr because they are in pain or dizziness.
No sick cat purrs to show tenderness,because when a healthy cat purrs is because of joy and calmness,something that sick cats can't feel.

But then her cat died,and i expressed my sympathy for that(there's in a post here somewhere)...And then Olzon went on shopping..A day after her cat died!

And she got a new one,which she had the brilliant idea of taking for a walk IN THE FOREST!
For God's sake!In a forest!

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:00
Seer,

we have no emotional issues and as for you and Legeon I know you BOTH know BETTER then to fight a fight which is not to be fought by you two..

I should say that I see no reason why there can not be Macedonia outside the Greece, Legeon.

After all, there is Friesland in Holland as well as in Germany and they do not seem to have problems about that.

Nations split and join again. I understand that Legeon see a point in this, but honestly...

Look at the Czechs and Slovaks. They split what? 16 years ago, or so.
And soon they will both become a part of UN and will have the same Euro and no boarderlines, again.

Do you think Slovaks will stop to be Slovaks because of that? Or Czechs to be Czechs?
They have been Czechs and Slovaks when they live in Czechoslovakia and they have been Czechs and Slovaks when they have been a part of Austrian - Hungarian monarchy.

We are here on a place which is meant to be about MUSIC - one thing that has NO nationality and respects NO boarderlines.

Do not tell me, you two, that you do not know better?

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:03
@mermaid

As i said,when it comes to the history part of this issue,there's no need to discuss it since even scientists disagree.
And because i am Greek,i wouldn't like to say anything because even if i see it from the scientific point of view,i can't be objective.

I only asked not to be called like that because of International Laws.I didn't discuss one nation's rights.
That's a matter for scientists and politicians.

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:16
Empathica

my students DID listen. And they came to my classes even if they did not come on any other.. on days when we had a flu at school and there were like 6 kids per class left, when I entered my class, I had all of them there.

I had my ways. :-)

The other thing is that you sometimes should deal with kids who are doing wrong - not in lessons but in their lifes.
Teenagers are like explosives - and I am very thankfull nobody of my kids ever commit a suicide.
Yet, one of my best students get killed. Car accident.
And we had a drug distributor there, name Alexander (dead by now).

As a teacher you should deal not just with their knowledges in math or physics, or discipline.
I wish it would be SO EASY.

But it is NOT.

On the other hand - as I said already - yelling or beating them (not allowed, too) or even throwing them out of the window never is a solution.
To show them your anger would just make them LESS listening... So.

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:16
@mermaid

As for the "nations split and join again",we aren't the same nation.
We don't even speak the same language.
And that country was part of another country,not Greece.
For centuries.

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:18
Legeon,

you have got me lost. I have no idea who was "that country was part of another country"...

I am an old fashioned person - I was grown on Yugoslavia and USSR maps.

But, I promise you now, when I will have some time, I will have a look on new maps and try to understand who is who now, ok?

:-)

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:26
TheSeer

"Ti si slomila Phantomovo, Phantom je slomio moje, a ja sam slomio tvoje. Jbg. Moje je srce slomljeno sto puta, takva mi je sudbina. "

Are you mentioning me? Could you please show enough balls to talk about me in english at least?
I stopped giving a shit about mermaid etc , do me the favour to not talk about me behind my back please

Phantom wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:26
Legeon said:

"she had the brilliant idea of taking for a walk IN THE FOREST! "

Did she leave it there?
____________________________

Empathica,

Legeon is a act owner. I - on the other hand - have a dog. But as far as it is a shi-tzu, you can count him as half a cat.

My shi-tzu has not the normal shi-tzu color. He is Gothic dog. Black with beige socks and beige face.

Extremely smart and empathical.

He would never ever go to any forest. He is well behaving, so he does not even go on lawn, if the walkway is available.

I am a bar-kind of a person and my dog is a bar-kind of a dog.

Not because of alcohol (he does not drink at all)
- but because of chatting to other people. (in case of my dog is to be ADMIRED by people incl.)

Should I take him to the forest he would truly believe I want to kill him...

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:37
@mermaid

FYROM,the one that TheSeer(and all maps-illegally)call Macedonia,was a part of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia or simply Yugoslavia.

It became a nation after 1990.
Never part of Greece,that's why there's no point of saying "nations split and unite".

They want the name Macedonia(which originally is a territory of northern Greece)because they insist that they are the successors of Alexander The Great.
They also say that they speak the language that Alexander used to speak,macedonian,but the fact is that Alexander spoke ancient Greece.Even his name has a meaning in Greek.

A year ago,in a televisions program in UK,you know the kind of people are asked knowledge questions,a coupled was asked what was the nationality of Alexander The Great.
They answered "Greek".
They were told that they were wrong,that Alexander was Macedonian and that he was born is Macedonia's capital,Pela.

The funny thing is that(let's just not rant on the fact that Alexander was Greek) Pela a town in Greece,an hour from Thessaloniki.

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:40
Phantom said: "Are you mentioning me? Could you please show enough balls to talk about me in english at least?
I stopped giving a shit about mermaid etc , do me the favour to not talk about me behind my back please"

I've just said that it seems to me we have triangle of broken hearts here. mermaid broke Phantom's heart, Phantom broke mine and I broke mermaid's.

Something like this:

mermaid
Maybe we should try group sex as a middle ground solution to this situation. XD XD XD XD

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:41
phantom to TheSeer:

"Could you please show enough balls "

You chose TheSeer to say this?
Epic fail.

ps.Sorry TheSeer,i couldn't stop it :P

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:47
@Phantom

- well if I am not mistaken then they were talking about who is going to break whose heart... that mermaid broke your heart, you broke seers heart and seer is going to break mermaids heart :)...
am I right ??? :D

Lizzie wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:52
Seer,

prilicno sam ineterested sta ?? ti pe?i da fantom..
Prevod nije mudar opcije. :-P
Ako odlucis da lagati, ja ?u pomo?i da laze.

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:57
Legeon said:
"Well Empathica,your lovely Olzon wanted to keep her sick(from a lethal decease)cat alive in medication for another year because "she(the cat) is a fighter" and because the cat went over Olzon and purred.Just for your information,and you may already know because you said you had a cat,when cats are sick they purr because they are in pain or dizziness.
No sick cat purrs to show tenderness,because when a healthy cat purrs is because of joy and calmness,something that sick cats can't feel.
But then her cat died,and i expressed my sympathy for that(there's in a post here somewhere)...And then Olzon went on shopping..A day after her cat died!
And she got a new one,which she had the brilliant idea of taking for a walk IN THE FOREST!
For God's sake!In a forest!"

Why do you say "my lovely Olzon"? The fact that I like her singing does not make me own her. Neither do I accept everything she does without criticsm, so I would kindly ask you to refrain from these remarks and stop treating me as if I was a blind puppet, it is unnecessary and you ARE able to bring your point across to me also without it.

Yes cats also purr when they are in pain e.g. if they give birth but since none of us was actually there to see what her cat did or did not we cannot jump to conclusions.

I do understand her decision to not end her life straight away when she got the diagnosis but give it a try first. When I heard that my cat suffered from cancer I also gave it a try to cure it. She had major surgery and lived another year without any problems, being her happy self and just then the cancer spread and she needed to be put down. But even once the cancer had spread I let her live for as long as she could lead a normal cat's life without discomfort. I could have put her down the very first day when I got the first diagnosis but when you love your pet you also want to get a cured if there is a chance.

For kidney failure I also know from personal experience that in can be cured in some cases (depending how far it was progressed) so yes, why not try it. Once it was clear that the medicines did not work she did let her go.

As for the new pet straight away, I personally would not have done that but this is a very personal approach for everyone, everyone needs to handle the loss of a pet differently so we cannot judge other people's decision in such cases. It is like some people get remarried straight away after their partner's die and some never again. It is a very personal decision.

On a different note she wanted that certain kitten anyway long before her other cat died (she wrote even in her blog about it somewhere in May or June) so it was not a spur of the moment thing.

And the forest thing - yes I found that weird, too, even if the kitten was on a leash.

Empathica wrote on 04.09.2009 at 15:58
So, Seer,

as you see, Lizzie (slovak) could do the translation, too.

Lizzie,

translation was ok, but Seer claimed he did break my heart already - and I answered him about that already.
So, "yes" for translation and "no" for facts.

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:01
Legeon,

I know where Pela is - I did buy me a cool Tshirt when I was a kid there...
:-)

As I told here already I visited Greece. But it is not Greece what has got me confused. Greece is still the same. It is Yugoslavia, what confuses me.

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:05
"I've just said that it seems to me we have triangle of broken hearts here. mermaid broke Phantom's heart, Phantom broke mine and I broke mermaid's.

Something like this:

mermaid
Maybe we should try group sex as a middle ground solution to this situation. XD XD XD XD"

Lol definetely Mermaid didn't break my heart .
You were not here , why on earth did I break yours :P
Maybe you could write some self loathing "For the heart I Once had"-style lyrics like Maestro.
I think Mermaid would feel like a pedo having group sex with me. She and my age issue, you know :P

"You chose TheSeer to say this?
Epic fail. "
Even homosexual males have balls :D
I know, I sound a bit gay though

*goes back hiding in the closet

Phantom wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:11
How passionate are we today!...

it is a pity I should leave you in 15 minutes, but I have a party to attend.
Though, I would preffer to stay with you.

Now:

Legeon,
you certainly are hot blooded today, even for your standards.
Empathica is right - there is no need for "your sweet Olzon" approach, do not you think?

Seer, as for your suggested solution - I told you already what you should do according my opinion.
But for the rest of you:

you should find yourself a nice boyfriend so you will have somebody who will keep your heart safe... :-P

What have you actually being doing during your vacation??? Except of falling and almost get killed? :-P

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:13
mermaid said: "Legeon, Seer, just no fight WITHIN the construction band, please.

Seer, no, I am not from ex_Yuogoslavia."

OK, we shall try to cohabitate at least for 2 more weeks until NW is going to "lose its soul" and probably totally falls apart. ;-)

But since when are we the CONSTRUCTION band? I've thought we were the DESTRUCTION band?

And mermaid, this is the last try from me: are you maybe from ex-Czechoslovakia?

Legeon said: "I am not talking about Greek Laws,but International Laws. "

Yes, but individuals are subject to National Laws and COUNTRIES are subject to International Laws. I am not subject to International Laws but Serbia is. I have to obey Serbian National Laws even if they are against International Laws.

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:14
People I'm lost here!!!

And I have only one hand to type, the other one is broken and imobilized.

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:16
@mermaid

thnaks for correction

@the seer

I think she is from Hungary :)

but I think she wont ever tell us :)

Lizzie wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:30
Seer, sorry, I meant DESTRUCTION team, off course.

Legeon got me confused totally today - now with bricks as "constructive material".

Seer,

do NOT even think about leaving us!!

It was difficult enough without you the last month, so, try to accept the fact that Legeon IS Greek.

After all, she was Greek all the time.:-)

We, naturally, love you. :-)) And we have been missing you, as you well know.

And I understand that your injury makes you pis*ed off,
but try to bark on people who are NOT on your side, OK?

Now, guys, sorry, I should go.
See you on Monday and have a nice weekend.
And Seer try to have some schnitzel or what. Men use to have a better mood with a full stomach. :-P

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:30
mermaid said: "Seer, prilicno sam ineterested sta ?? ti pe?i da fantom.. Prevod nije mudar opcije. :-P Ako odlucis da lagati, ja ?u pomo?i da laze. "

mermaid your Serbian is becoming worse and worse. First it was 100% correct. Then it was 90% correct. Then 70%. And this last is hardly understandable. But I think I know what you wanted from me. Sorry I didn't do it.

But CALM DOWN. This is just Internet. It's not real life. :-p

I can see how calm mermaid is by the quality of her Serbian. XD

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:31
Seer said:

"But CALM DOWN. This is just Internet. It's not real life. :-p
I can see how calm mermaid is by the quality of her Serbian. "
______________________
I was just offering you other possibility, nothing else. It was your heart, what was questioned, after all. :-P

And as for being calm - I am really in a hurry. Already delayed. Leaving NOW.

Next week I will take more time and I promise that my Serbian (and English as well) get better.

mermaid wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:38
Legeon said: "phantom to TheSeer:

"Could you please show enough balls "

You chose TheSeer to say this?
Epic fail.

ps.Sorry TheSeer,i couldn't stop it :P"

I would do everything to funny boys with big houses. XD

Phantom said: "I think Mermaid would feel like a pedo having group sex with me. She and my age issue, you know :P "

Sorry to disappoint you Phantom, but you are 25 not 15. So it wouldn't be "pedo" having sex to you. And if you continue waiting and being so picky, you will be "pedo" when having sex with someone. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:39
@ mermaid: Have a nice time at the party!

Empathica wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:40
"Sorry to disappoint you Phantom, but you are 25 not 15. So it wouldn't be "pedo" having sex to you. And if you continue waiting and being so picky, you will be "pedo" when having sex with someone. :-p"

I'm not picky :P
I know but she insists that I'm a teenager :P

Phantom wrote on 04.09.2009 at 16:54
@Empathica

Old cats with kidney deceases don't live long.And having her another year in medication would only result in he cat suffering.That's why i was outraged.
I know for fact that when cats are sick,they purr because of pain,not tenderness.

But for the forest thing,i am not talking about the leash.Having a domestic animal,a pet that lives INSIDE your house,you hug it,it comes to your bed-ok you got the meaning-means that this animal should be completely clean.
That's why we graft them and spray them every year.
Now,taking this cat to a forest full of small insects carrying deceases was the most irresponsible thing a pet owner could do.
For God's sake,domestic animals shouldn't even be allowed to go the garden,not a forest!

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 18:23
@TheSeer

I knew you would fancy guys with big houses...And lots of laughing huh? :P

Just kidding...
Yes Phantom,homos have balls.The point here was not about anatomy,but the meaning of the phrase,which means "show you are a brave man".
BTW,TheSeer is bisexual,if i recollect...I am not sure...

But he is brave for sure,telling what he is in a place that many people would take advantage of that information to insult when they run out of arguments.
And when they don't have that info,they make up ones.Like the one saying that i don't like Olzon because i got rejected from NW...
The funny thing is that,even though i play piano and drums and i am able to read notes,i can't hear them.
Most musicians can hear them,but don't read them.
My singing makes Tuomas sound like Bruce Dickinson.

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 18:29
Well, I´d like to end this thread with this. legeon, you´re an idiot. The seer, you´re an idiot too. mermaid, go and feast on tarjas eatable panties.

Wrath wrote on 04.09.2009 at 22:31
"My singing makes Tuomas sound like Bruce Dickinson."

Wow, that was classic. Do you really think you're that bad? XD Because Tuomas is REALLY bad at singing.

James wrote on 04.09.2009 at 23:03
mermaid said: "Seer, sorry, I meant DESTRUCTION team, off course. Legeon got me confused totally today - now with bricks as "constructive material". "

Bricks can be destructive material too. Give me Mrs. Anette "the soul of NW" Olzon and a brick and I'll gladly show you. Even with one hand broken. :-p

"do NOT even think about leaving us!!"

As long as Phantom is here and as long as I have at least one arm in function I promise I won't leave. :-p

"Next week I will take more time and I promise that my Serbian (and English as well) get better."

Seriously I'm impressed and scared how many languages you speak. I thought you were using some Internet translators but the fact that your Serbian becomes worse when you are in a hurry/upset is the proof that you're doing that using YOUR brain! If you were a guy speaking so many languages I would forget about Phantom in a second. Phantom who? Not even his big house could help him. XD

Phantom said: "I'm not picky :P"

Cartoon characters and mystical girls from next doors do not count. :-p

Legeon said: "@TheSeer I knew you would fancy guys with big houses...And lots of laughing huh? :P "

And also my creative juices would start flowing resulting in who knows what. Maybe even a solo album. But NOT a solo career, only an album. :-p

TheSeer (<3) wrote on 04.09.2009 at 23:08
@James

Yes,i am THAT bad.For some reason even though i can read notes,i can't hear them(i mean i can't understand them by hearing).

Even if i want to produce a simple melody,for example to tell a friend about a song i liked,i can't do that.

I am TOO bad.

Legeon wrote on 04.09.2009 at 23:18
TheSeer wrote: "Devy said: ""This girl was 2nd choice after Anette, if I remember well... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1C933ONNhA&feature=related"

O_O Really ?
Are you shure ???" "

Wow! With that woman, maybe we could finally hear Phantom again. She's amazing.

itneverstops wrote on 05.09.2009 at 00:02
@ Legeon

I doubt you are as bad as you say you are honestly. Most people hate their singing voice and that's a fact. Hell, I heard Tarja even hated her vox on Oceanborn, and that was her best stuff! But I guarantee you are better than me. I can't sing for crap. But I am not tonedeaf and can even sing in-tune most of the time, but my tonality is rather rough and needs improving. Even though I am a guy, I can find a way to sing Tarja's songs in Nightwish. I can pick up the melodies of her vocals rather fast. It doesn't sound pleasant, but I can do it. XD

But being able to read sheet music well is tough and that is a skill that you have most others don't. That itself is a plus. :D

James wrote on 05.09.2009 at 03:07
what the hell did she do to her face ?!!? she got ten years in one month ...
last time I will come back from holidays what will I find ?! a third breast !? a two headed Anette singing in duet pop scraps ? holy shit, that world is a freaking nightmare!

TT wrote on 05.09.2009 at 04:04
The Tongue said: "what the hell did she do to her face ?!!?"

She has gotten herpes. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. It has also its positive sides. For example she doesn't need to take botox now. The effect is EXACTLY the same. What a fortunate coincidence. :-)

TheSeer wrote on 05.09.2009 at 12:41
TheTongue said: "holy shit, that world is a freaking nightmare!"

Err, what world are you referring to?

TheSeer wrote on 05.09.2009 at 13:23
@James

I'm telling you,i suck.I can't sing anything more complex and melodic than a children's song...And even then,i can make kids cry with that.

Let me tell you a story.When i was 10,i was in an expensive private school,and we all had to join the school choir.
Our music teacher who was the maestro had to accept every kid in the choir,because our parents paid :)
Anyway,one day in a rehearsal she told me to stop making ANY noise with my throat and just move my lips like singing.

I am REALlY bad...
At least i'm good in piano and drums,and yes,being able to read sheet music is a plus...
Thankfully my music teacher(the one mentioned above) managed to teach me something :)

Legeon wrote on 05.09.2009 at 14:14
@ TheSeer,

I mean the world humans have created, but you can't see its true nature it if you live inside and are unable to untie your mind from it, its' a kind of self aversion therapy applied at a spiritual/psychological/mental levels.

TT wrote on 05.09.2009 at 16:53
The Seer

"Cartoon characters and mystical girls from next doors do not count. :-p "

How did you find out about my secret dream of marrying Snowhite?

@Legeon. I think The Seer said he is gay. :P

Phantom <3 wrote on 05.09.2009 at 18:07
http://www.nightquest.co.nr/

"alternative" Nightwish/Tarja forum

Syrinx wrote on 05.09.2009 at 19:59
"but if Anette is kicked before the next album, then Nightwish looses it's soul, not only because of Anette, but because they would have squandered their integrity, which in the end will cost them fans AND money."

Can somebody tell me how it is that Anette became the soul of NW?

About her solo album, ha,ha, so soon, well, she never was deep into metal music or NW music.

Lyset wrote on 05.09.2009 at 20:14
@Lyset

Nobody in the earth can tell to you who is the soul of Nightwish because everybody can make own opinion about that.If somebody thinks it's Anette,Tuomas,Tarja or what ever they all are right in their minds because it's always opinion of own taste.You can keep your opinion but don't estimate others opinions against yours!
Your last comment is useless because it's stupid to argue about music taste!

Jimmie wrote on 06.09.2009 at 02:40
Phantom said: "The Seer How did you find out about my secret dream of marrying Snowhite?"

How else should I explain your obvious "vows of commitment". You are 25 and not 15 Phantom. :-p

Btw, I'm planning to marry Cinderella. After that, two happy couples might spend some time together. You, Snowhite, Cinderella and me. What do you say about that? XD

TheSeer (<3) wrote on 06.09.2009 at 11:09
TheTongue said: "@ TheSeer, I mean the world humans have created, but you can't see its true nature it if you live inside and are unable to untie your mind from it"

I understood you were referring to some world you're outside of. And that was the source of my confusion.

TheSeer wrote on 06.09.2009 at 11:12
"Your last comment is useless because it's stupid to argue about music taste!"

Saying that Anette is soul of NW is not matter of music taste, lol. It is matter of fanatism and being totally ignorant about reality.
Jimmie, I'm afraid your answer to me is very useless and stupid, cause it doesn't make any sense.

Lyset wrote on 06.09.2009 at 12:32
@Jimmie

Your comment doesn't make sense since saying that a member is or isn't the soul of the band has nothing to do with taste in music.
They are the same group,and they are supposed to play the same music within the group.

Anyway,i don't know how a singer with one album and no contribution to the band's music is the soul of the band.She's not even the one that makes people going in concerts(only Marco does that,the rest of the band are bored to death) or the muse of the composer.Or the connecting link between the members.

Legeon wrote on 06.09.2009 at 17:44
TheSeer
"How else should I explain your obvious "vows of commitment"." Did mermaid lecture you about my private life? :) What a sweet woman, she has a word for everybody :)) . I mean, I even complimented with her for being so keen on valuing sex activities so much and look at what I got back.

"Btw, I'm planning to marry Cinderella. After that, two happy couples might spend some time together. You, Snowhite, Cinderella and me. What do you say about that? XD "

Can we exchange brides? :D
I know your goal is to have some hot homo sex with me :P

Phantom wrote on 06.09.2009 at 18:21
...rather ask yourselves if Nw has still a soul !? a big part has gone with Tarja's departure imo.

TT wrote on 06.09.2009 at 20:11
"...rather ask yourselves if Nw has still a soul !? a big part has gone with Tarja's departure imo."

I think also, but not because I think that Tarja was NW's soul - she was its voice and face/image, she represented it for people like mostly always any lead vocalist represents the band he or she sings in. But because Tarja was...NW's dignity in some way...you know like representer. She was decent, she had elegance or style, call it whatever, but she was noble in the way she sang or acted on stage. I do not mean she was perfect, she was not perfect, but she had class. And after she was fired and not in a pretty way and there were big buzz about it, and then those interviews with "who is to blame", all that fuss about it, even those two (or three) songs either about her or related to her from DPP, fuss about them, the new singer with her self PR and manners....it all marred the band's image and everything connected with it, turned it into a filthy merry-go-round of scandals.

I do think that partly NW still has a soul, because Tuomas is still there, but it is only a part. NW lost its dignity. And if there is no dignity, the soul is incomplete and sore.

Sally wrote on 06.09.2009 at 21:10
TheTongue said: "...rather ask yourselves if Nw has still a soul !? a big part has gone with Tarja's departure imo."

I agree. And the part that was left after her departure was killed with the arrival of Olzon.

TheSeer wrote on 06.09.2009 at 23:56
@TT why do you think a big part of NW soul has gone away with Tarja?
It's a serious question, I'm not sarcastic.

It's weird to say a band has a soul XD

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 00:40
@ Sally

"I do think that partly NW still has a soul, because Tuomas is still there, but it is only a part. NW lost its dignity. And if there is no dignity, the soul is incomplete and sore."

Very nice comment. I think that's how a lot of old NW fans feel about it. Hell, I'm relatively new to this band and I even feel this way...

Honestly guys, it's NW's fate that determines the future of the band. Tuomas is the guy in charge of pulling the plug. If he wants to, he will and nothing can stop him.

James wrote on 07.09.2009 at 04:07
@Lyset

Maybe when you grow up you gonna understand my point so until then...BYE!

Jimmie wrote on 07.09.2009 at 04:10
In addition to my post, do you guys really think Tuomas should stop the band? Many believe he should have once Tarja left. But I think if they were to keep going down this path, then maybe! If only we knew back then of all the drama that surrounds the band today, then yes he should have broke up the band after Hartwall in 2005. There is just too much chaos surrounding them that's it's causing their collapse little by little. Of all the bands I know, NW has the worst case of "soap opera" I have EVER seen, even worse than Metallica or Guns N' Roses, and that's one HELL of an accomplishment. But they only can blame themselves.

James wrote on 07.09.2009 at 05:30
@Phantom

I mean, Tarja's departure broke the alchemy, she's much more than a voice.... in metal, you can hardly find a better female voice... I mean with such purity, Tarja magnified Tuomas' music, Anette just makes it marshmallow.

TT wrote on 07.09.2009 at 05:54
Thanks Empathica,

but it was not a kind of party you are attending in order to have a fun. It was a kind of party you MUST attend so in order NOT to offend some people.

It is normally quite boring thing. Yet, the food was quite acceptable and I have got lucky - I like to talk to people who are specialised in something I have no idea about.
This time I spend some time with our utility people - last week we just finished a huge investment (we rebuilt 13 floors high building into 87 flats).

I have almost no idea about construction of a building - off course the general one: you put bricks one on another untill it is high enough :-P

but let me assure you there is much more about it then meets the eye.

And funny thing - we all have our lingo - we use the same language in a bit different way based on our specialization so we can basically confused each other easily.

So, we have even some fun thanks to that.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 09:53
Legeon,

I can sing and I have a sweet voice - really a sweet one.

My sweet voice and innocent look of my blue eyes always helped me when in trouble.

Yet I can not read notes. They did teach me, off course but that little things with tails are in no way connected to a sound in my head.

But on the other hand I can immitate cartoon singing - you know these little blue men with high-pitched voices? Or the russian ones?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 09:59
Seer,

I am in fact using translator in order to be able to answer you - but I also use a brain, because translator gives you just a general idea.
They you have to think about who is male and who is female and correct related words.
And again - translator are polite and you know I used "Ti" to reffer to you - no translator would ever offer this option.
To understand you I in fact do not need translator.

But again - just to be read translator I need to know such a beautiful thing like how to read an azbuka - russians have different letters as well, Legeon, not just Greeks.

So, even if translator would offer me a 100% correct translation I need to retype it from azbuka into latin letters, right?

Do not be so surprised that a girl could use a brain, too. :-))
.. it happens.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 10:08
I was thinking on weekend why your comment on international law made me so surprised, Legeon
and I still do not understand why on Earth you expect a SERBIAN boy to respect it - to respect that fairy-tale animal with no teeths at all (that is international law for me).

I for one do not remember international law do ANYTHING about it when USSR attacked Hungary in 1956 or Czechoslovakia in 1968 or Poland in 1962 (? - not so sure here).
Or when they (USSR) did entertain themselves in Cecensko, or Afganistan, for that matter. Or when they attacked Azerbaidzan in 1989?

Did international law do something for countries attacked by USA within last 50 years? (And these boys use to camp outside their borderlines a LOT !..)?

I really like what that polish guy (prime minister?) said on this 70 years celebration last week - they we would better remember how BIG friends everybody was with Germany when Poland or Tchechoslovakia was attacked. This was a good point from that guy - and I am truly happy somebody put that on the table finally.

And now we are all playing hypocrites and trying to look like those germans were such a BAD boys... and naturally, all other countries were completely innocent. Tss, tss..

Oh, do not get me wrong - there were all those fancy speeches from the guys with sharpened ties - exclamation marks in newspapers and dramatic faces in TV - they always are -
but NOTHING WAS DONE in the end.

While USSR existed - everybody was just a best pals with them. While USA tends to distribute democracy,love,peace,family values (or whatever are they distributing this season) on the peaks of their fancy weapons - we are, off corse, their best pals, too.

International law? Oh, c´ommon. We never cared which country was attacked by these big guys. We were sitting here, on our fat european asses all happy it is NOT US.

When some Yugoslavian started to kill other - I do not remember we did something about it (I think it was Serbians killing .. well, Bosnias?? maybe..)
though I seriously doubt they act in accordance with any law including their own.

So, why on Earth do you expect a serbian guy to even think about international law is just not very understandable to me.

And one more comment on CNN news - 4-5 days ago I watched them for a while and they came up with "Dead row in Iraqui" - the news was about the highest execution rate worlwide Iraqui has - and CNN DISCOVERED that they are in fact killing Iraquis.
With all these dramatic faces and in this pathetic tone of voice they announced to the world these NEWS.
You MUST admire these people.
What did they think they were doing all these years there? Shopping?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 10:51
"Maybe when you grow up you gonna understand my point so until then...BYE!"

Maybe when you take off pink glasses of Anette's fan and grow up yourself, you'll understand that thinking that Anette is the soul of the NW is not about taste in music,lol. It is ridiculous, because according to your logic, NW was souless until 2007, lol )))

Lyset wrote on 07.09.2009 at 11:06
I would not even believe I put together such a political comment as I just did.

I never was political. I never watched news because it makes me upset. I have no idea (as I mentioned here already) who is in our own goverment and I do not take care at all.

But do you have ANY IDEA how difficult it is to get Iranians and Iraquis visa when you are a SINGLE WOMAN?? Not muslim, BTW?

And I had received Iranians already, was waiting for Iraquis. I passed all these nasty interviews where I had to answer qusetions my father would never dare to ask me.

But - Americans have been faster. They invaded Iraq AGAIN, a month before I was supposed to travel there.

I am better not going to tell you how much did it piss me off.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 11:13
TheSeer

what does (<3) mean?

"And also my creative juices would start flowing resulting in who knows what."

Now, that sounded interesting..

"Maybe even a solo album. But NOT a solo career, only an album. :-p

You can not have a solo career, you are part of our team, remember?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 11:37
Speaking of Hungarian - I always wanted to ask this:

Tero,

is that true that Finish is close to Hungarian and that you can understand each other?

MFF Staff: Finnish and Hungarian languages belong to the same linguistical family but the relation ends there. I for instance don't understand anything hungrians speak :) And I don't think they understand finnish either.

More about this here: http://www.histdoc.net/sounds/hungary.html

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 11:43
To James
"In addition to my post, do you guys really think Tuomas should stop the band? Many believe he should have once Tarja left."

The funny thing is that Tuomas himself believed that. As he said in this interview in 2004 (not centuries ago) :
But if Tarja is NIGHTWISH, would the band stand without her? What would happen if she quit?

- "Nightwish would cease to exist"- Tuomas says immediately but with a calm voice-" I really think that its impossible to go on without her. She has given so much to our music.It would be cheap to the music and to the fans to continue with a different singer. So I dont think there would be a future for the band if she left. Same thing goes with me."

@TT : in a way I agree, Tarja is not the only good female singer in metal but she added a lot to Nightwish music. It's not just that though.
I think that DPP lacks of inspiration for the largest part. You just notice the difference with Once .

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 12:01
"I mean, Tarja's departure broke the alchemy, she's much more than a voice.... in metal, you can hardly find a better female voice... I mean with such purity, Tarja magnified Tuomas' music, Anette just makes it marshmallow. "

Yes, I agree that the perfect achemy was broken after Tarja got fired, cause the special vibe NW had was in the Tuomas's music/lyrics and Tarja's voice and image "in one combined". Somehow I got the feeling that she was indeed more than just a voice....something like a muse or inspiration, but that's my opinion, I do not insist on it. Though I do find other great female voices in metal, I think Floor is just as great as a singer as Tarja, maybe even greater in some moments, Tarja became some kind of icon of classically trained female singer in metal. And she magnified Tuomas's music indeed, the songs sounded so powerful, like a sound of thunder. The problem of Anette apart from that her voice is too weak for the metal music, is that she doesn't understand or feel really the mood of NW songs- she sings songs with lovelorn,sad, tragic or philosophical lyrics as if they were songs about bunnies, teenagers in the park or just smth like that, that makes them sound poppy and hollow :((

Roxy wrote on 07.09.2009 at 12:29
@mermaid

What you ask is correct and is expected for me to hear from people that,like everyone else,are disgusted by what goes on in the world but don't know about politics.
I was like that too,before i started my studies and learned about some things.

When a country breaks an International Law,for example by attacking a country,the process followed is that the Security Council of the UN takes the decision to stop that country and punish it.
The five members of that Council are:China,Usa,Russia,France and United Kingdom.

Decisions are made by the European Parliament,but they must be accepted by that Council,and if one member says no,then that decision is void(veto practice).

It is easy to understand that USA wouldn't vote to be punished.
It's unfair,but it's the truth.

In another topic now,there are certain theories in International Relations.The most important and traditional(and they one i believe is true) is Realpolitik.it says in short that countries act according to their interest to gorw their power.Which means that international organizations are created in order to fulfill the interests of some big(in power) countries.
And that countries follow International Laws only when it suits them.

Although there are limitations in this theory,my scientific opinion is that it is the closest to the (unfair) truth.

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 13:10
Tero said:

"Finnish and Hungarian languages belong to the same linguistical family but the relation ends there. I for instance don't understand anything hungrians speak :) And I don't think they understand finnish either. "
________________________
Thanks, Tero that article has been very interesting. I did print it out and will have a look at it at home, better.

Well, I know you are the same linguistic family - they told us at school that you both came from Asia, those who turn right became Finish, those who turn left became Hungarian - still it is interesting that you have split into in fact islands, separated by completely different language groups.

I thought when kid that neighbouring countries SHOULD understand each other to some extend - they are - after all - neighbours! there is a contact between them, all the time. And look at you and your neighbours! :-)

So, no chnace for you to have at least a slightiest idea when something is in Hungarian?

I asked this question BTW many Hungarians, but they always siad they never met any Finish so they had no idea whether they could understand something...

Thanks for answering!

And by the way - is it true that elvish language was cretaed based on Finish grammmar Mr. Tolkien accidentally met?

I.E. do you understand (or even speak) Elvish?

Thanks a lot. :-)

MFF Staff: Well again I am referencing you with a link here...according to the article Tolkien in fact used finnish language as a reference when he created elvish. Don't know if it's true or not but here's the link :)

http://www.fingerlakesfinns.org/articles/influence.htm

As for understanding elvish...nope :) My girlfriend is a huge Lord Of The Rings-fan and she is trying to understand and learn elvish language. She is brazilian so her native language isn't finnish and therefore she won't get any help from that either :)

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 13:35
Legeon said:

"China,Usa,Russia,France and United Kingdom. "

that is what I meant by "big boys".
Otherwise you just confirm what I said myself.

:-P

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 13:41
Tero,

Nai lassi cuilornelyava úlúmë hestuvar
Nai súlë súyuva lannilyannar
Nai tielyer nauvar laiquë ar hwesta aldamolyanna
Nai tielyer nauvar laiquë ar laurië
Órenya nainuva tenn' encenuva le
Lissë nén ar moica lálë tenn' enomentielma
__________________________

we just try, shall we? :-))

MFF Staff: Well the only word I understood was "nai" which in finnish is a word for having sex :D And it's not the kindest word to express having sex or making love...so much for this lesson XD

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:09
mermaid said: "what does (<3) mean?"

It's heart, rotated 90 degrees clockwise. My broken heart is better today. My broken collar bone also. :-)

After some consideratons I think that this Jimmie is actually RockMan. His rant on wars, it's Nightwish music that maters, ending his posts with "Keep on rocking!"... too many coincidences. And after all, one doesn't find every day such amount of narrow-mindedbess and naivety in one person.

Btw TheTongue is also back to our world. The one created by humans. I'm afraid to ask him where he has been.

The only one I'm missing now is Maestro. What the hell happened to him. It's been some time since Anette announced her solo album (NOT career) and still no reactions from Maestro. Is he avoiding journalists? Fled to Disneyland maybe? I'm so eager to hear how Anette's "hobby album" is going to affect her future position in NW and the future of NW in general?

And mermaid you didn't answer my question - are you hailing from ex-Czechoslovakia? :-p

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:14
Seer said:

"And mermaid you didn't answer my question - are you hailing from ex-Czechoslovakia? :-p"
__________________
Seer,

Lizie, the sweet slovak girl, answered you your question, remember? She said that in her opinion I am Hungarian.
And she also said I am not going to tell you anyway. :-P

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:19
"It's been some time since Anette announced her solo album (NOT career) and still no reactions from Maestro. Is he avoiding journalists? Fled to Disneyland maybe? I'm so eager to hear how Anette's "hobby album" is going to affect her future position in NW and the future of NW in general?"

The Seer, honey, Maesto must be very happy about Anette's solo album! I mean c'mon frontwoman of "his" band who sepnt in the band only 2 years already doing so much solo stuff on her own, didn't he dream about that all along? Besides, we all learned that Anette in fact is the soul of NW, and who is Tuomas to say something to the soul of NW? He must fall on his knees and pray for NW's soul, in other words, for Anette. LOL

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:23
Here is my short rant on International "Laws". Laws must go together with the repressive machinery that is used against those who break it. There exist no such efficient repressive machinery when it comes to International "Laws". Hence quotes. End of rant.

Tero said: "Well the only word I understood was "nai" which in finnish is a word for having sex :D

It just couldn't go without it. :-D

TheSe(x)er wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:23
Tero said:

"Well the only word I understood was "nai" which in finnish is a word for having sex :D And it's not the kindest word to express having sex or making love...so much for this lesson "
_____________________________

Is not that just interesting that whenever people fail to communicate in foreign language they always use sex related words?

i, for one, never heard of somebody who by accindent used (let us say) "hand" instead of "bread".

No, Tero, this part was fuc*ng difficul and fuc*ing romantic as well. (I tried to use colors, and some simple words here)

Direct translation

Let the leaves of the tree of your life never gets brown
Let the wind push your sails
let have your path green and a wind be in your back
let your ways be green and gold
my heart will cry until it will see you again,
let your water be sweet and laugh soft till we meet again :-)
so, nothing offensive as you see

MFF Staff: And I turned it into some dirty thing...shit XD

But it proves my point...I don't understand the language one bit!

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:29
...a bit dissapointing, really.

i kind of hoped that at least something will be in c´ommon.
Anyway.

Hanta rimbevë (means "Thank you very much")

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:43
Seer said:

"Tero said: "Well the only word I understood was "nai" which in finnish is a word for having sex :D

It just couldn't go without it. :-D"
_________________________________

Seer, I am a WOMAN. And not just that - I am openly female, so I can not even deny I am a woman. Neither in darness nor in the mist. :-)

That means that i am certainly The One for you.

But - as I see - you are a bit restless lately - what about finding you a nice boyfriend and settle down a bit?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:47
"It's been some time since Anette announced her solo album (NOT career) and still no reactions from Maestro. Is he avoiding journalists? Fled to Disneyland maybe? I'm so eager to hear how Anette's "hobby album" is going to affect her future position in NW and the future of NW in general?"

Maestro is probably preparing himself for the final show. You never know , there might be some surprises.
Or he is spending time with his cartoon girlfriend

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:50
I doubt Maestro knows about Anette plans, as they are totally unrelated to Nightwish.

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:51
Seer,

The Riddler just said:
"The Seer, honey, Maesto must be very happy "
___________________________
So, HONEY, do not you see it as a sign of interested from his side?
And even the name he chose "The Riddler" - does not it show some affinity to you?? To you, too?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:04
Seer,

and one more thing - did you realize that I just revealed what nationality I am??

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:05
Phantom said: "Maestro is probably preparing himself for the final show. You never know , there might be some surprises. "

I can't wait the 19th Septmber. Not only for the Hartwall "Deja Vu" gig, but also because that day the final leg of Tarja's 2 year long MWS tour kicks off at some elvish fair in the Netherlands.

"I doubt Maestro knows about Anette plans, as they are totally unrelated to Nightwish. "

I often wonder similar. Does he have any clue what Anette is saying in her blog about pop, metal, opera, other bands etc?

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:07
"I doubt Maestro knows about Anette plans, as they are totally unrelated to Nightwish."

But NO! They are one big happy family, members of happy families do not have secrets from each other, they share everything with each other, including their plans.....do nto they? ))))))))))))))
Funny how everything Anette is doing lately either is unrelated or only remotely related to NW, I mean if to look at the news here )))) How strange..........................................

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:08
The Seer : "but also because that day the final leg of Tarja's 2 year long MWS tour kicks off at some elvish fair in the Netherlands. "

Are you going to see her?

Probably Maestro has a clue she has a blog, but I doubt he reads it.

@TheRiddler , eh eh happy family, yeah sure. That was a good one

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:23
Seer said:

"Laws must go together with the repressive machinery that is used against those who break it. There exist no such efficient repressive machinery when it comes to International "Laws". "
___________________________________
To impress ANY LAW you need two things: tool and a will.

We might discuss whether there is an efficient tool.
But there is no need for any such discussion because even if we will find out there is a TOOL, there never was a WILL.

So, to continue this subject would be a pointless waste of time, what is BTW a great american webpage (www.pointlesswasteoftime.com)

Speaking of that - have you seen Michael Moore´s movie 9/11?

It is a greta one. I also read his books and "Where is my country" was also quite interesting... have anybody of you read Freakology?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:23
mermaid said: "Seer, and one more thing - did you realize that I just revealed what nationality I am??"

No, I didn't. I'm pretty lost here. I should take a little nap. Typing with one hand can be really frustrating.

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:25
Phantom said: "Are you going to see her?"

If my cast is removed next week as it should be and if my arm is OK I'm planning to see her on the 6th October in Zagreb, Croatia. That is to be the 10th jubilee time I see Tarja live. :-) 4 times with Nightwish, 1 time with Doro and 5 times solo.

And you? If Tammerfors is near to you, you should go to that Halloween concert to hear the world premiere of those 2 new songs - In for a Kill and Witch Hunt.

@mermaid: Unfortunately I haven't watched that film yet.

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:51
The Seer: woa, you saw her many times!
Wait, she will perform in Tampere? On Halloween? I knew about the Christmas concerts but not about this one.
Those titles sound amusing and interesting at the same time, In for a Kill? lol

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:07
@mermaid

may I guess then that you are from former CCCP country or Bulgaria? since you metioned you have to typed it from azbuka to latin??

speaking of azbuka this year I am going to learn russian at school so I have to learn it again :) I tried to learn azbuka when I was younger but I failed :D I find it quite difficult :P

Lizzie wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:10
Phantom, yes she will perform in Tampere with symphonic orchestra (in your face Maestro XD).

http://www.iltalehti.fi/tampere/2009082810156257_te.shtml

You will find the song tittles in the caption under the picture.

I like that Tarja has songs for ALL occasions. Imagine someone mixes the setlists for her and she performs Ave Maria at Halloween gig and Witch Hunt at Christmas concert. XD XD XD XD

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:22
The Seer : thanks. Yeah, I'm pretty curious how these chosen songs will fit the Halloween atmosphere .

"yes she will perform in Tampere with symphonic orchestra (in your face Maestro XD). "

I wonder if Maestro (or vice-versa , Tarja at a NW concert) would ever show up at one of her concerts, lol.

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:37
"@TheRiddler , eh eh happy family, yeah sure. That was a good one"

I'm glad that you liked my ironical joke )))

"I wonder if Maestro (or vice-versa , Tarja at a NW concert) would ever show up at one of her concerts, lol."

Lol, I doubt it, cause for Maestro Tarja T. is such a diva...and since he made such a drama out of it, it wouldn't be logical for him to attend her concert, would it? She doesn't have right to stand on his shadow, lol (that's a direct quote from some of hardcore New NW's fans, aren't they adorable creatures!) And Tarja actually said at least once, that she wouldn't mind to attend NW concert, only without going backstage, but sure, since she remebers that she is a diva and is not worthy to stand on Tuomas's shadow, she would not attend.)))

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:53
Lizzie,

for me is azbuka easy. You are slovak, you should have no huge problems with adapting. It is, after all, a Slovanian language.

Take azbuka as a coded language. Every letter looks differently. Might sound difficult, but russian will not try to get tricky on you - as english, for example.

It certainly took you some time to guess how you should pronounce in English, I tink. You most probably had to learn pronounciation by heart in the beggining. Azbuka is not SO bad. there are rules and they are the same all the time.

It is like in German language - you pronounce "c" but you write "tz" instead. But in azbuka almost all letters differ.

Do not worry, you will manage. Russians have a very beautiful poetry, BTW.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:56
The Riddler:
"Lol, I doubt it, cause for Maestro Tarja T. is such a diva."
Lol. You know, I don't think he really thinks she is a diva. He said, in the book, that she was lovely and having fun when Marcelo was not around. Perhaps for Maestro Marcelo is the diva LOL. ;) He even lowered himself to listen to her album.
No of course it wouldn't be logical for him to attend one of her concerts, he would be to afraid of being eaten alive. XD

"(that's a direct quote from some of hardcore New NW's fans, aren't they adorable creatures!)"
Are you serious? LoL

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:06
"Lol. You know, I don't think he really thinks she is a diva. He said, in the book, that she was lovely and having fun when Marcelo was not around. Perhaps for Maestro Marcelo is the diva LOL. ;) He even lowered himself to listen to her album.
No of course it wouldn't be logical for him to attend one of her concerts, he would be to afraid of being eaten alive. XD"

Well, since it was he who used that word towards her in that letter, it is his copyright now :)))) Oh The Hellish Marcelo!! Marcelo is not a diva for Maestro, I think he is The Devil himself for him! LOL. Didn't Tuomas call him a serpent?! Wha? Tuomas lowered himself to listen to her album?!!!! Oh my God, what an honour!!!!! I bet he found it awful anyway, after all Tarja can't step on his shadow and can you imagine what it is like to listen to an album of someone who can't even stand on your shadow?!!!!! The agony.........

"Are you serious? LoL "

Unfortunately, I'm. Perfectly serious.

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:27
Lizzie,

you might ask but as I said I am in fact Elvish..

:-P

Quetilyë Eldalambenen?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:50
Moreover to that
"Moje je srce slomljeno sto puta, takva mi je sudbina. " topic.

Seer, Vidovnjak,

Ljubav,to je cilj ?ivota,
kada ljubi? nekog to nije sramota.
Rekla bih ti ne?to, ali ne?u glasno,
pogledaj u o?i fantoma i bit ?e ti jasno?

:-P
Better?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 18:24
Riddler Riddler:

"Didn't Tuomas call him a serpent?! Wha? Tuomas lowered himself to listen to her album?!!!! Oh my God, what an honour!!!!! I bet he found it awful anyway, after all Tarja can't step on his shadow and can you imagine what it is like to listen to an album of someone who can't even stand on your shadow?!!!!"

Yes , he called him like that and other nice things like mafia dude etc.
Oh c'mon, Maestro even said he wants to be friend again with her XD . She can't be such a diva after all LOL.

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 19:21
mermaid said: "Seer, Vidovnjak,

Ljubav,to je cilj ?ivota,
kada ljubi? nekog to nije sramota.
Rekla bih ti ne?to, ali ne?u glasno,
pogledaj u o?i fantoma i bit ?e ti jasno?

:-P
Better?"

100% correct. mermaid you even can write poetry in Serbian! o.O

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 20:08
at this point, Tuomas should send an open letter to himself.

@TheSeer

I went to idiocracy land => Greece !

TT wrote on 07.09.2009 at 23:51
"Yes , he called him like that and other nice things like mafia dude etc.
Oh c'mon, Maestro even said he wants to be friend again with her XD . She can't be such a diva after all LOL."

Mafia is everywhere, but mostly in Marcelo!!!! LOL Maestro wants to be friends with her again? Oh no, he probably talked about it deliriously after that coma he got because of listening to her album (or she stood on his divine shadow O_o). Oh yes she can, after all it is her who post photos of her feet in her blog and post cooking recipies there as well, and wearing tiara during gigs. Poor Tuomas does he really deserve that?

The Riddler wrote on 08.09.2009 at 01:20
James: I can't believe you're calling Amy Lee (a totally unremarkable pop vocalist, no better than Anette) better than Juliana - Lee can only dream of her power and range. Also, the band's recordings are only demos, obviously. Don't worry, they WILL improve.

I'm sick of the cliché "every metal band with a female singer is a Nightwish clone". If you view it like that, every metal band that has ever existed is only a Black Sabbath, Judas Priest or Iron Maiden "clone". It's a GENRE. Obviously Nightwish have helped establish a genre, and there are many bands that play similar music and have a similar sound, but that doesn't mean they're all clones. Every such band is different and unique. Some bands that are viewed as "Nightwish clones" now have been active before Nightwish was even founded, and created their style quite independently. It was simply an idea that was "in the air": many inventions are made many times independently, because the prerequisites were all there at a certain time, and the idea was obvious. Some inventors just get more famous than others.

In fact, I personally would welcome a band that faithfully recreates the sound and spirit of Angels Fall First, Oceanborn or Wishmaster. There can never be too many clones of good stuff!

Empathica: Why did Anette not apologise for that remark herself?

TheSeer: I haven't heard her sing without tricks (I know only her studio sound), but her voice sounds better to me than most pop singers. Compared to them, she sounds like Tarja - really. The comparison doesn't originate from me.

I agree, I think Tarja "moderated" the band, held it together, gave them direction and purpose. She may not be the soul, but she is the inspiration of the music. The name "Nightwish" is tainted now - it wouldn't have been if the band had broken up at their (commercial, at least) zenith.

Legeon: Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonian_language - very interesting. In fact I think that the uniquely Macedonian words look more Slavic than Greek. XD (Slavic was not spoken in the Balkans originally, though, but in Eastern Europe).

mermaid: When Tarja was once asked about Finnish and Hungarian, she said that Finnish and Hungarian are not very similar to each other, but were more similar in the past. That's right - they were even the same language at one point, just like French and Romanian were once Latin. But even back in the 16th century, Finnish and Hungarian were totally different - about as different as German and Greek. The low numbers are a bit similar, some basic words and roots, the grammar is broadly similar, but that's about it.

The only thing that Quenya (High Elvish, like the Latin of the Elves) has in common with Finnish is the general way the grammar works, and the similar sound. Very broadly speaking. The words are totally different.

TheSeer, it's Elf Fantasy Fair.

As for "happy family", let me quote King Crimson's song of the same name:

Happy family, one hand clap, four went by and none came back.
Brother Judas, ash and sack, swallowed aphrosidiac.

Tuomas should write an open letter to the NW fans, fire them and get a new fandom, to borrow an idea from Bertolt Brecht: "Das Volk hat das Vertrauen der Regierung verscherzt. Wäre es da nicht doch einfacher, die Regierung löste das Volk auf und wählte ein anderes?" ("Die Lösung", 1953). :-D

Almagest wrote on 08.09.2009 at 04:22
Almagest said:

""Das Volk hat das Vertrauen der Regierung verscherzt. Wäre es da nicht doch einfacher, die Regierung löste das Volk auf und wählte ein anderes?" ("Die Lösung", 1953). :-D"

Translation:
"The people (nation) have forfeited the confidence of the government. There would it not be easier, the government dissolved the people (nation) and elect another?" ( "The Solution"),
1953). :-D

A: Certainly.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 09:35
Hi everybody! Since it is the latest topic on NW here and I'm new here I would like to post a small review.
On the 5th of September NW played its show in my homeland, Russia, in Moscow! I would like to say that they didn't play any gigs in Russia for 6 years, since 2003 (there CC tour). So you could imagine the excitement around it!

Now what is the impression:

-despite that fact that they didn't play in our country for 6 years, the place was not sold out at all;
-before the show and after show I learned that many went to see the gig because they wanted to see the guys from the band and just the brand NW;
- the guys from the Pain and the guys from NW put a cool show, the sound also was great, and effects, but there was one big disappointment. The name of disappointment is "Anette":/

I actually liked how she sounded on DPP, didn't want to judge from youtube videos, wanted to form opinion from live show. I formed it. She sang terribly weak, she didn't manage to sing not only old NW song good, she did poor job on songs from DPP, sometimes she was barely heard - Marco's awesome voice and music overpowered her. The Siren in her version turned to some screams and Wishmaster turned into some kind of duet where Marco sang all powerful parts, trying to hide her failure to sing that song, it was like shame. Marco totally saved the day! She also dropped her mic while the show, it was funny.

I also was scared by her looks, I mean I remember some prof pics with her with dark hair and looking rather lovely, but now she got very fat, turned herself to blonde and her dress sucked. She was dressed in pink dress, first with black jacket on her and then without jacket, just dress. And she put on herself crown!!!! Or not a crow, maybe the rigth word is tiara. I was like what the shit, she looked like some pop girl with that, it is not metal style. She was indeed very lame and I talked after the show with many people, and they share this disappointment about her. Now I can say that she does not fit NW at all. She is NW's shame. That's my opinion.
Thanks for attention.???? ??????? ?? ????????:)

P.S. Here are some pics of Anette during the show just to show what I mean by her looking scary.

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5/vitvitskiy.8f/0_2ece1_a9420310_orig.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3705/vitvitskiy.8f/0_2ece2_3a74d16_XL.jpg
http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3700/vitvitskiy.8f/0_2edb6_fed7650_XL.jpg

Aleshka wrote on 08.09.2009 at 09:57
@mermaid

well then you should buy one mystic aura for yourself as well :P

and about the russian language - the same told us our previous teacher that we should rather to pick up russian than spanish because we are going to learn russian only for 1,5 year so we will learn russian quicklier than spanish which is I think true and since I dont want to go to Spain - it is too hot there :P - I think russian is better option for me :)) and my mom and dad used to learn russian as well so we can have a little chat :D

Lizzie wrote on 08.09.2009 at 10:12
Aleshka,

Dobro pozalovat i spasibo bolsoje za doklad iz Rossii!

Licno ja toze dumaju sto Anette - eto odno bolsoje razocarovanie...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 10:36
Lizzie,

I own my own Aura of Mystery for YEARS - did not need to wait for Mastro to come up with it..!

As for language - I would choose Spanish - it is EASY, and letters are not "coded".

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 10:38
Riddler asked:

"Poor Tuomas does he really deserve that? "
__________________________________
Poor Maestro receives exactly what he does deserve.
After all, he worked SO HARD to achieve that and sacrified himself NO END..

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 10:52
Riddler :
"LOL Maestro wants to be friends with her again? Oh no, he probably talked about it deliriously after that coma he got because of listening to her album"

I'm serious, I'm not kidding :P ;)

By the way, I still don't get why Anette plastic tiara managed to upset so many people here LOL. I'm not her biggest fan but I didn't even notice a tiara :D .

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 12:06
Seer said:

"mermaid you even can write poetry in Serbian!"

just do not get used to it too much...
I am no Marko Kraljevic, after all.

For those of you who do not know:

Serbians has an epic poetry (almost exclusively) and songs of Serbian epic poetry rarely, if ever, rhyme, but they are easy to remember as each line has exactly ten syllables and caesura after fourth syllable.

Actually, epic poetry and me.... huh.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 12:22
@Almagest

The language spoken by Alexander The Great was ancient Greek period.
His name is Greek,and has a meaning in Greek.

Legeon wrote on 08.09.2009 at 13:36
That is true, Almagest,

Alexander is of Greek origin, and its meaning is "man's defender, warrior". From the Latin form of the Greek name Alexandros. The name was probably coined originally as a title of the goddess Hera, consort of Zeus.
It also was a royal name in Scotland.

Alec and Zander are modern offshoots. Sandy is a Scottish pet form; Alessandro is an Italian form; Alexandre and Alixandre are French. See also Lexer.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:17
Aleshka,

just out of curiosity:
Is not your name a short form of "Alexandra"?

:-))

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:28
OK, NOT direct translation of my little poem dedicated to Seer
(direct translation sounds weird):

Love is the meaning of our lifes
to love somebody is no disgrace
I wish to say something out loud, I wish to scream
have a look in Phantom´s eyes and see what I mean!

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:32
Lady Mermaid, are you even writing poems about me ?
I'm enchanted :D

"have a look in Phantom´s eyes and see what I mean! "

Now I'm curious

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:52
mermaid,
o tak ty govorish po russki! Klevo! Ya napisal frazu po russki v tom poste, no ona otobrazilas tolko voprositelnymi znakami :-((. Dekodirovalas. Spasibo, interesno tut u vas.
Anett ochen slabaya pevichka okazalas, ne ozidal daze, ochen nalozhala v penii, ey ne mesto v naitvish.

Phantom, in case your comment about tiara is meant for me: her tiara upset me because I went to metal concert of wonderful, once wonderful at least, metal band, and I saw that there vocalist is dressed up and acts like some old Barbie doll or all those shit pop vocalists you can see on MTV. And not only she was dressed like that, she sang badly all the way.

mermaid, my name is short version of male name "Aleksei" :-)

Aleshka wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:14
@Aleshka

thank you for your relevant concert review and photos, the last one is truly a work of art, Anette has missed a great career in horror movies as a Fx make-up artist and zombie-like frippery designer....

http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/3700/vitvitskiy.8f/0_2edb6_fed7650_XL.jpg

TT wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:14
@Aleshka
"Phantom, in case your comment about tiara is meant for me: her tiara upset me because I went to metal concert of wonderful, once wonderful at least, metal band, and I saw that there vocalist is dressed up and acts like some old Barbie doll or all those shit pop vocalists you can see on MTV. And not only she was dressed like that, she sang badly all the way."

It wasn't referred only to you.
She has surely a pretty bad taste but I still think you fuss a little bit too much for a plasti tiara XD .

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:52
Aleksei,

ocen prijatno poznakomit sa s toboj, ja uze davno nerazgovorivala s rossijanami

Ty tolko vezhlivyj, kogda govorish chto tu, u nas, interesno,
ili ty dejstvitelno dumajesh i ne choches skazat chto my zdes duraki?

Azbuka neizobrazajet sa, tolko voprositelnyie znaki.

Tebe nado ispolzovat tolko latinskogo alfavita..
:-((

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:53
Nah, Phantom,

would you expect that first (and most probably the very last) poem about you
will be in Serbian?

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:00
Is it just me, or Princess´ coat is a copy of Michael Jackson´s outfit on his concert in Moscow?

I am absolutely sure he was wearing such a thing (with these two lines of knobs) - it is even on some video
but I am not so sure it was in Moscow.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:11
"Nah, Phantom,

would you expect that first (and most probably the very last) poem about you
will be in Serbian?"

Mermaid, it was absolutely unexpected!
I hope to be your source of inspiration for other masterpieces XD

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:32
"She has surely a pretty bad taste but I still think you fuss a little bit too much for a plastic tiara XD . "
__________________
And when the fuss would be adequate?
If the tiara will be done from paper? Ot wooden, perhaps?

What should the Princess put on her head to make you disgusted? A jerry?
________________________________

Aleksei,

do not mind Phantom -
people who are wearing tiara themselves seldom find it strange on other people... :-P

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:46
Mermaid, you have been almost a darling so far. Are you startig to wake up now? :P
I'm too tired for dialectic now

"Crowned" Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:00
Legeon,

I am quite surprised that you said NOTHING to TT for calling Greece an "idiocracy land"...
Are you ok?

Well, for the rest of you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiocracy

"A narrator (Earl Mann) explains that in modern society, natural selection has become indifferent toward intelligence, so that in a society in which intelligence is systematically debased, stupid people easily out-breed the intelligent, creating, over the course of five centuries, an irredeemably dysfunctional society.
Demographic superiority favors those least likely to advance society.
Consequently, the children of the educated elites are drowned in a sea of sexually promiscuous, illiterate, alcoholic, degenerate peers."
___________________________

OK, TT, we have got it. Greece is breeding stupidity - that is how you see it.

Would you now, please, tell us which smart country is as honored as to be allowed to breed you?

Because you see, now we know where stupid people are located,
and we naturally would like to know where the smart ones are as well...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:11
So NW has less and less fans after every gig, it is nice coz maybe they finally fired her and realize what they have done. No more sold out concerts.

Isabell wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:17
Aaa, heloo, hello, Isabell,

good that you came.

Have you seen pictures?

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:24
Phantom said:

"Mermaid, you have been almost a darling so far. Are you startig to wake up now? :P
I'm too tired for dialectic now "
______________________________
well, how is dialectic related to this? And what you would like to do with it HERE?

(for those of you who do not know the meaning:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic
"Dialectic is rooted in the ordinary practice of a dialogue between two people who hold different ideas and WISH to persuade EACH OTHER. The presupposition of a dialectical argument is that the participants, even if they do not agree, SHARE at least some meanings and principles of inference. "
_________________
I put in capitals where this is out of reality -

1) I never had any such wish

2) we do NOT share anything

C´est ca.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:30
@Mermaid

You see,TT has done the same thing with Olzon.

He said that she VISITED Greece.Not that he has lived here for a long period of time,for instance.
The same that Olzon did,when she said that no band should play here,because she was in ONE show and she instantly realized how much producers suck here.

But about calling my country that-i don't care.For two reasons:

1)Why should i?Because an ass-hurt guy here insulted it out of the blue and with no reason?
2)New,young Greeks are actually idiots.Uncultured and puppets.They like whatever is "trendy".
Of course we have metalheads too,but they aren't that different.

And our system is much worse.Corruption,low education standards and you can't find any proper job.
This is some of the reasons that i want to leave this country.

But i CAN call this country like that because i live here.I am Greek for 20 years now,and i know what's happening.And i see things that people who don't live here can't possibly know first hand.

Now i don't see how someone that JUST visited us saw idiocracy.

Nor i care.

Legeon wrote on 08.09.2009 at 18:23
Aleksei,

as i said, do not mind Phantom. That comment on tiara wasn't referred only to you but to me as well.

Now, tell us something about you - from what you said I guessed you are not a fan of "new" NW, but an "old" one.
Am I right?

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 18:26
@Aleshka

Thank you for your review. I was watching videos of that concert on YouTube last night, and I could tell Anette wasn't having a good night. I'm sorry there was so much disappointment in the crowd...

CanuckFan wrote on 08.09.2009 at 19:17
@CanuckFun

Russian people are aesthete ones, you can't fuck them so easily...

@MermaidLegeon

as a tourist, you can see at least each year, how nature in Greece is completely wrecked by this people, Greece should be classified a world heritage site to protect it from those barbarians.

TT wrote on 08.09.2009 at 19:45
@ Legeon

Wow, Greece sounds like America! :o

That's how we are here too. Most ppl in the US, like Greece as you say, are uncultured, uneducated, and trendy. I also hope to get out of here eventually too. That's why I found MFF and the works because I am tired of the mainstream b.s. that surrounds me. Legeon I feel your pain..

James wrote on 08.09.2009 at 19:46
@TT

It's true.Like we say here, Greece is the best country in the worst hands(and i mean Greeks).

@James?

REALLY?Because my fiance is there right now,training as a airline pilot(Bruce Dickinson fashion :P) and he's so happy about how things work there...
He says that everything works great,people are very gentle and helpful...He doesn't want to come back :)
So imagine,if USA is like that,and you still don't like it,how's Greece...

Legeon wrote on 08.09.2009 at 20:01
@mermaid
yes i have and i'm sure i will have nightmares this night:(

Isabell wrote on 08.09.2009 at 21:10
Legeon said: "@Almagest The language spoken by Alexander The Great was ancient Greek period.
His name is Greek,and has a meaning in Greek."

I agree with Legeon here. I highly doubt Alexander The Great spoke any Slavonic words. First Slavs came to Balkans in the 6th century from Ukraine.

Phantom said: "Lady Mermaid, are you even writing poems about me ?
I'm enchanted :D"

No Phantom, she is writing poems about us. :-p

mermaid said: "have a look in Phantom´s eyes and see what I mean! "

I would love but his eyes are unfortunately 2500km away.

Still no news from Maestro... what were Russian music journalists doing?

TheSeer wrote on 08.09.2009 at 21:37
mermaid: Perfect translation, thank you.

I haven't offered any opinion about Alexander himself (though nobody really knows what he spoke with his family - perhaps his grandmother still talked a form of Ancient Macedonian that was not a Greek dialect or something), just pointed the fact out that the Macedonians were not Greek ORIGINALLY. They were a different, but related Balkan ethnos, like the Albanians nowadays.

Almagest wrote on 08.09.2009 at 21:56
TT, mermaid, CanuckFan you are welcome :-)

Phantom, I do not know how it is like in Europe or America, but in Russia when it comes to metal we do really think that the image of singer should meet the music and the mood of the music. To shape the whole thing, you know. I said about tiara because I really was pissed off by it, cause imagine, Phantom, I was going to metal concert of famous band I'd really like to see live and I paid money for it, it wasn't like free charity concert, and then I saw singer who gave me feeling I'd come to some Eurovision concert or concert of one those funny pop girlie girls. And there was nothing from her performance that could make up to that. And on my ticket there wasn't any disclaimer: warning, singer will copy Barbie and also give poor performance. I didn't know how she would really sing live or what she would wear. It was totally "what the..."
You see now why I got pissed off and paid attention to that damn tiara in my review:-)

mermaid, net, ia sovershenno seriozno govoril, tut interesno, chitaesh chto eshe narod dumaet, prichem narod kotoriy zivet v raznih stranah :-)
About me as a fan. You know I was just NW fan, I listened to music, bought CDs and DVDs, went to one of the gigs from CC tour, was loving it and all, but I didn't separate NW into two eras. I really enjoyed DPP. I didn't participate in any holy wars about eras in the net though I read some comments on sites. But now after that gig, I think I am for NW that used to be before. :-)

Isabell, yeah, half of fan zone at least was empty during gig as I noticed, not all tribunes full at all, there empty spaces.

///Russian people are aesthete ones, you can't fuck them so easily...///

TT, thanks, I think we really are aesthetes in our souls in general :-) But one thing for sure, not only you can't fuck us so easily as you rightly notice, you better not fuck us at all, or it would get very painful for the fuckers themselves ;-P

Aleshka wrote on 08.09.2009 at 22:07
mermaid: I've heard about Serbian epic poetry. It must be quite interesting. I know it has played an important role in comparative literature and literary criticism trying to understand how Homer's and other ancient and medieval epic songs were constructed and passed on originally.

So Lizzie is Slovak? Then Russian will be easier to learn for her than for us non-Slavophones. (Spanish might be better suited to widen one's horizon, though.) I love Slavic languages, I wish I could speak any of them properly.

Almagest wrote on 08.09.2009 at 22:13
Oh, and by the way, I have NEVER said that the Ancient Macedonian language was Slavic. Quite the opposite, I have explicitly DENIED it. But it was arguably different from Greek (for example, "Perdiccas" looks un-Greek), and IN CERTAIN WAYS seems to have resembled Slavic, or Albanian for that matter. But overall, Slavic is much more similar to Baltic. It's not a Balkan language (I'm speaking about ANCIENT Balkan languages, not modern ones) like (the ancient predecessor of) Albanian or Greek.

Almagest wrote on 08.09.2009 at 22:25
@ Legeon

That's cool to hear that he likes it in the States. But damn, where I live is so boring. See I live in the Midwest part of the country and it's really bland here. In Greece, you at least have Athens, the Parthenon, and a 4000 plus year history. What we got here are old abandoned factories and broken down buildings to look forward to everyday XD. I don't know, I don't live in Greece like you do so I can't judge because I've never been there, but I believe what you are saying about it is true. What part of the country does your fiance stay at for his training? If he's on the east coast, then it's better than where I live. Because where I live, it sucks hard! XD

James wrote on 08.09.2009 at 22:35
@Almagest

Perdikas is Greek actually.Perdika is a bird,partridge.

@James

He is in Daytona Beach,Florida :)

And i'm going there next month...Actually today i was in the USA Embassy here to get my visa...All i have to say is that i wish that ALL services in Greek looked and were like that!

Legeon wrote on 08.09.2009 at 23:37
Almagest said: "mermaid: I've heard about Serbian epic poetry. It must be quite interesting. I know it has played an important role in comparative literature and literary criticism trying to understand how Homer's and other ancient and medieval epic songs were constructed and passed on originally. "

And what is the most impressive about Serbian epic poetry is that it was passed from one generation to another orally. For nearly 500 years!! It was first written down in the 19th century by our famous linguist Vuk Karadzic who travelled a lot among the illiterate folks collecting such songs.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 00:06
I just watched some vids from the Russian concert, and I think I have come to several "conclusions":

1. Anette will quit voluntarily after the Hartwall concert. She's not doing a very good job, and she doesn't look like she's having fun.

2. She's already been fired, and they're just doing the last concert together.

3. The band will fire her after Hartwall.

4. It will go on like this, and NW will become an even bigger joke :(

itneverstops wrote on 09.09.2009 at 00:30
@ itneverstops

as you have rightfully noticed, it's a dead end whatever happens...

TT wrote on 09.09.2009 at 02:10
Legeon: Just a small comment: Modern Greek isn't the same as Ancient Greek ...

Almagest wrote on 09.09.2009 at 06:16
Legeon: In Ancient Greek, the name of the partridge is perdix, not perdikkas.

Almagest wrote on 09.09.2009 at 06:18
TheSeer: Yes, I know. I forgot to mention it's oral poetry. The repetitive style helps remembering the songs, and allows the singers to ad-lib passages. If I remember correctly, the songs (runot) forming the Kalevala (the Finnish national epic) were passed on in a similar way.

I know Vuk Karadzic as the creator of the modern Serbian language, too.

Almagest wrote on 09.09.2009 at 06:23
Now, that was interesting -

Almagest is a german boy who clearly is not expatriated from any slavish country (as Seer is)
yet he knows surprisingly much about Serbian and Greek language and poetry.

Is those knowleagues somehow linked to your occupasion, Almagest?

I must admit that all I know about Serbian poetry is that it is split in 3 periods:
- poetry before Kosovo battle
- Kosovo cycle
- poetry after Kosovo batle

but as far as I do not have slightest idea where Kosovo is and when, why and by whom this battle was fought,
then this knowledge is not that usefull to me.
(as we use to say: "it is to me the same, as a winter coat to a dead man") :-P

What attracted my attention was that EPIC poetry I truly do not stand for.
If I would have to choose some poem and read it aloud, I will definitely go for some russian one, because they have beautiful non-epic poetry (is the word "lyric"?) and it even sounds like a music in Russian language.

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 09:42
Legeon, James, Aleksei,

as far as I know nobody likes it at home.
Since I was a child everybody was saying things like Legeon says - and truly believed it and wished to leave our country as soon as possible.

I even worked as a teacher on the school where the main idea of the school was to collect the most talented kids of our big nation and to make them ready for studies abroad.
(that is why we tought then all subjects in English as well)
Ther are schools in our country which does the same in other languages - German, Spanish, French..
so, as you might imagine we produce every year a LOT of students who enter universities abroad.
My students have done well in both - UK and USA.

Yet, the funny thing is that every year people studying, living and working abroad are coming back home. Usually they do it when they feel like having a family and give birth to their children.

So, they take all money they collected, come back and live here.

Their native language got spoiled in-between, they have some problems to fit society, but they COME BACK anyway.
because there are much more important things then whether some services are working properly (that is, after all, up to us)
You, for one, need to be with people who truly understands you - and that sort of thing is earned since childhood via having the same experiences with other kids around you, NOT via crush course in English language.
To give just one example - humor. That is such a subbtle thing! Yet, it might happen that abroad - if somebody makes a joke, everybody will laugh but not you, because you will have no idea what they are talking about.
I have travelled a lot - I have been in very many countries and I utilised my "wild years" properly.
There are countries who are certainly better organized then we are - but who cares?
The funny thing was that people in those countries have not been satisfied either..
Grass is always more green on neighbours´ lawn.

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 10:01
Aleksei,

if you would be Aleksander, then the short name will be Aljoshka, right?

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 10:02
@Almagest

"modern Greek isn't the same as ancient Greek".

No kidding :)

I know,i've been taught ancient Greek.And they are pretty much alike with some exceptions.

Legeon wrote on 09.09.2009 at 10:26
But that still does NOT authorize TT to insult other country, does it?

And which country are you from, TT? Do not hesitate and tell us, where people get it correct, so we can learn a lesson...

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 10:48
TheTongue said: "@ itneverstops as you have rightfully noticed, it's a dead end whatever happens... "

NO!!! It's not dead end! It can't be! The fire is still burning!

@mermaid: you know, tell me it does! Tell me it does???

:-p

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 10:55
Aaa, good morning, sleeping beauty, aka Seer,

I thought you are sleeping after chating all night with CanuckFan.

"@mermaid: you know, tell me it does! Tell me it does??? "

It does what, exactly? Fire burning? Sure, it does...
We are still here, and, as I see it, we have some newcomers here as well..

So, what is your broken arm doing?
And how do you know that Phantom´s eyes are 2.500 km far from you - now, that is something I would really like tobe explained...

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:17
mermaid said: "but as far as I do not have slightest idea where Kosovo is and when, why and by whom this battle was fought,
then this knowledge is not that usefull to me.
(as we use to say: "it is to me the same, as a winter coat to a dead man") :-P"

Kosovo battle was fought in Kosovo in the year 1389 between Serbs and Turks. Turks won and that was the begining of the end of powerful Serbian medieval state. In the year 1989 our late president S. Milosevic organized big celabration of the 600th anniversary of Kosovo battle where one million people gathered, thus making Serbia the only nation in the world celebrating its defeats.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:38
mermaid said: "It does what, exactly? Fire burning? Sure, it does..."

I'm glad you think so. Some nasty and evil people were saying opposite. They made me very upset and sad. It's no wonder we have wars in THAT world, to put it in TT's way, with such people around.

"So, what is your broken arm doing? "

Yesterday I went to see my doctor and he said that I must wear cast 2 weeks longer than originally expected because the healing process is slow. I'm pissed off.

"And how do you know that Phantom´s eyes are 2.500 km far from you - now, that is something I would really like tobe explained..."

My eyes are in Serbia and his eyes are in Finland.

And your eyes are in ex-Czechoslovakia. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:48
@ Almagest: dear if you haven't been taught Hellenic grammar (both ancient and modern) you can't possibly understand how Perdix and Perdika is one and the same. So please leave the sounds-like speculations aside... :) Macedonian language was an ancient greek dialect as much was Attika dialect or modern days Crete's and Cyprus' dialects.
And just for the record because here we are not to teach language and history lessons Macedonians direct from Timenides of Argos (which still exists north of famous Sparta).
@
Aleshka: A big thanks for your wonderful review and the extremely scary photos.
I, like you, had the bad luck not to have seen Nightwish with Tarja ever but I gave a chance to Anette cause DPP was a little bit more than average and went to the concert without watching videos in youtube. I must assure you I felt exactly the same and sadly nearly everyone else in the crowd did. I remember how we all got excited at the beginning of Nemo and in the middle of it we were all silent. I remember disappointment and if Nightwish ever return they will have even less fans gathered for the concert.

@ Mermaid: Lovely that poem of yours!!
Serbian language rules!! (along with Finnish and Russian imho).
I could come up with something like that once I start my lessons ^_^

@ The Seer: I hope your arm gets well soon!!

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:54
Mermaid, The Seer: Thanks for sharing your knowledge in Serbian epic poetry and history!! :))))

And yep the fire is still burning!!! Well at least until Hartwall Areena show.... I'm eager to see what's to follow....

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:00
Seer said:

"My eyes are in Serbia and his eyes are in Finland.
And your eyes are in ex-Czechoslovakia. :-p"
_______________________
Well, Seer, not just your arm got broken, by the look of it your seer abilities are damaged, too.

Well, OK, you have got me. If Phantom is Finish, I am no problem to be from ex-Czechoslovakia.

Would you preffer me to be Czech, or should I be Slovak?
_____________________
This is the problem with intuition - it does not get trouble with facts.

Phantom proved not to understand Finish at all.
I, for one, did prove myself to understand things Slovak girls Lizzie does not - how is this possible, then?

I remember her to think I am Hungarian, BTW - what is a completely different country with completely different language.
Really.
Men and intuition clearly is NOT a good combination at all...

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:02
For that part about ancient and present Greek to be pretty much the same -

well, I like to adopt words what were used in our language in previous centuries - like 200 years old.

When I saw some (like in school, where we MUST read some of these books) and I liked it, I adopted it to my daily vocabulary.

People understand them, but when they hear them it strikes them. They are like: "what?"

It is VERY unusual. But I made some people to start to use these words, too, because they add color and extra meanings to our language.

And that is my hobby - to make as many words as possible to get resurected..

Unfortunately, our language is evolving as hell. It gets simplified and we add words coming from other languages, too. (well, we always have done that, but not so fast in previous centuries)

Still, it is a shame, that on this road it does loose its colors and poetry and variability and diversity and many levels on which the same words (or synonyms) could ger completely different meaning... :-(((

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:21
EgoSelfishPrimaDonna said: "And yep the fire is still burning!!! Well at least until Hartwall Areena show.... I'm eager to see what's to follow.... "

Firemen!!!

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm... firemen... :-D
*having some wild fantasies*

mermaid said: "Well, Seer, not just your arm got broken, by the look of it your seer abilities are damaged, too. "

LOL!!!

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:22
Mermaid, I did not prove anything. Infact I'm just writing in english. There were a couple of finnish articles posted, I didn't ask for any translations.
I might be FinNish, Spanish, Italian, French, Swedish, Norwegian, Portuguese etc etc.
As you won't reveal your nationality I will not do it either ;). Thanks. :)

Back to business now.

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:28
I don't think anything will happen after the Hartwall Arena show. I think it would be too soon. And even if it would happen I think it would be only some cold announcement. I just hope that this time the Nw guys would choose someone who could properly sing the old songs and would respect their status as "metal band" (including attitude during the shows, dressing, singing, acting etc). Please, don't think I hate Anette. I don't hate her, I just don't like her and what Nightwish have become.

Thank you, Aleshka, for your report ("nice" photos).

Kiri wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:31
On our entertainment blog I just read that
Princess is going to be inspired by Madonna FROZEN video.

As for the Russian concert:
"My outfit in Moscow were:Uniform jacket from Nolita, dress from Odd Molly, shoes from Gucci and black leggings.

The hair has been cut to my own length now and I love it;=) The make-up was a quite sharp red-pink eyeshadow from Face Stockholm which I took quite marked almost all the way up to the brow but left the eyelid blank and filled that with a light white shadow to open the eye up a little. Then drew with a black pen inside the eye, took some black eye-shadow by the lower eyeline and shadowed it. Rouge and lip gloss and this night I had bought really cool looooong eyelashes from Mac to add the special touch.

I was inspired by Russia and wanted to have the colours and the dress to match.

Hugs!
Posted by Anette Olzon at 11:22 39 comments
Sunday, 6 September 2009"

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:33
And speaking about Serbian epic poetry, here comes more. Vuk St. Karadzic was a good friend with Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. Goethe liked the song Hasanaginica so much that he decided to learn Serbian only because of it. Here is a small part of Goethe's German translation of the song:

KLAGGESANG VON DER EDLEN FRAUEN DES ASAN-AGA

Was ist weisses dort am grünen Walde?
Ist es Schnee wohl, oder sind es Schwäne?
War es Schnee da, wäre weggesahimolzen,
Wären's Schwäne, wären weggeflogen.
Ist kein Schnee nicht, es sind keine Schwäne,
'S ist der Glanz der Zelten Asan Aga;
Niedeirliegt er drein an seiner Wunde.
Ihn besucht die Mutter und die Schwester,
Schamhaft säumt sein Weib zu ihm zu kommen.

Als nun seine Wunde Iinder wurde
Ließ er seinem treuen Weibe sagen:
»Harre mein nicht mehr am meinem Hofe,
Nicht am Hofe, und nicht bei den Meinein'!«

I have the strange feeling that half oh the letters won't be displayed correctly but anyways. The whole song is 10 times longer and I decided to spare you from that. It is typical for Serbian epic songs that they are loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong.

And for the end it should also be mentioned that Croats and Bosniaks also consider Hasanaginica to be their national song. It's pretty common thing in Balkans, as we have already seen with Alexander the Great.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:35
mermaid said: "On our entertainment blog I just read that
Princess is going to be inspired by Madonna FROZEN video."

I NEVER doubted it's going to be rocky. Honest to God. :-p

Anette said: "Hugs!"

Err, no thanks.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:49
@Kiri

Nobody here is going to think that you hate Olzon or any bad things about you.At least not smart persons :)

Your thoughts are completely normal and justified...Plus,they are what everyone sees except for their blind fans.

Legeon wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:53
direct translation of Seer´s poem:

"Lament OF THE NOBLE MEN OF ASAN AGA -

What is white there in the green wood?
Is the snow, well, or are there swans?
Was it because the snow would get melt and dissapear,
While swans had flown away.
There is no snow, there are no swans
'T is the splendor of the tents Asan Aga;
He ostarcised his wound.
He visited his mother and sister,
Bashfully lining his wife to join him.

When his wound was healed
Did he say to his faithful wife:
'Tarry mine no longer on my court,
Not on the court, and not with me'! "

:-/ you know, I am NOT your translator here....

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:54
And

I know I might do a better job, but Seer could do the translation himself as well.

I really do not stand for this kind of poetry...

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:59
TheSeer said: "I have the strange feeling that half oh the letters won't be displayed correctly but anyways."

mermaid is right, my seer abillities ARE damaged... :-/

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 13:02
Do not understand me wrong, I just do not like sagas. And as for that matter - not just LONG (epic) POETRY.

To give you an example - Tolstoy's Anna Karenina was on the bridge of my sanity (2 books).

And when I had to read War and Peace by Leo Tolstoy, it was far behind it...

(No offence meants, Aleksei.)

I just preffer shorter way how to put it: Came there, killed them all, leaving home...

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 13:14
And speaking about interesting pics of our favourite Finnish band with Swedish soul here we go:

http://www.whiskycentral.de/categories.php?cat_id=124

Princess simply shines there. :-)

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 13:16
@ The Seer : LOL about firemen comment!! =)

@ Mermaid: No kidding?Inspired by Madonna and frozen? Hahaha! -Well it's a catchy song actually...
And I won't to do the same make-up technique myself!! ROOOFL!! Terrible taste that woman!
As for Hasanaginica .. I can't speak german but I suppose it's great! And if Croats and Bosnians consider it their national song too it can be explained since they are all Slavs and have so many more things in common than we think. About Alexander it's a different story but never mind.In Balkans you gotta have history to survive as a nation.You may steal and/or fabricate it as well.

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna wrote on 09.09.2009 at 13:18
@mermaid: Thank you very much for sharing your views about language and the dangers of it changing very fast. I think it's quite an issue met in many languages (won't say universally there should be exceptions) in mine as well. Also another danger for my language is writing the words with latin characters (only for the users of internet) which oversimplifies them. That way all the rules for proper spelling and the links to ancient grammar just vanish and the language is disastrously altered. This is usually met in younger children who tend to have more and more problems with spelling according to late researches. Also using older form of words is perfectly understandable but surprises people pleasantly most of the time... =)))

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna wrote on 09.09.2009 at 13:39
mermaid said: "direct translation of Seer´s poem:

"Lament OF THE NOBLE MEN OF ASAN AGA - "

Since when FRAUEN is MEN? You turned Hasanaginica into gay song, lol! :-D

"And I know I might do a better job, but Seer could do the translation himself as well. I really do not stand for this kind of poetry..."

I'm going to translate it directly from Serbian into English. I find this German translation by Goethe a little bit fishy. Did he manage to learn Serbian after all? Or maybe Vuk Karadzic said so out of politness towards him?

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna said: "As for Hasanaginica .. I can't speak german but I suppose it's great!"

Be patient, my English translation is coming soon.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 14:24
Hvala puno the seer!!!
Very kind of you!

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna wrote on 09.09.2009 at 14:34
And here it comes, my Serbian to English translation of Hasanaginica (only the first 10% of the song :-p).

The Wife of Hasan-Aga

What is white in the green woods?
Either snow or swans?
Were it snow it would already melt,
were it swans they would aleady fly away.
It's neither snow nor swans,
But the tent of aga Hasan-aga!
He's gotten aching wounds,
His mother and sister are with him,
But his wife couldn't out of shame.

When his wounds healed,
he answered this to his faithful wife:
"Don't wait for me in my court,
Neither in the court, nor among my beloved ones".
...

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 14:41
"if you would be Aleksander, then the short name will be Aljoshka, right?"

No :-) If I would be Aleksander, the short names will be Sasha, Sashok, Sashka, Sanya, San'ka, Sanek, Alek.

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna, you are welcome. And you got me wrong, I did see NW before, during their CC tour, it was 6 years ago. But I didn't think of them like of Nightwish with Tarja, they were just NW to me, band I liked. I didn't separate NW members from each other cause they produced one whole magic. And now I'm afraid I have to separate guys and that singer from each other, cause there is no unity, they are on different levels.

///I was inspired by Russia and wanted to have the colours and the dress to match."///

Sorry, maybe I got something wrong while reading all posts here ,since I'm not native speaker, but is this comment made by Anette in some interview and she says that her image during Russian gig was really inspired by Russia? Cause if she says that, that her dress, tiara, jacket and heavy makeup on face which was seen from afar as some of my friends who were there told me later is inspired by my country, than that is bad of her, an insult from her towards my country and towards metal fans in my country. Saying that Russia inspired her to wear that cheap pinky dress, that cheap dolly tiara, that jacket which reminded of nazi and ton of pink makeup like some prostitute is ugly. I'm sorry that I tell this, it is rude, but I'm pissed off. I didn't expect she would be so silly disrespectful to Russia. :-(

Kiri, you are welcome. But I didn't quite understand this thing about firing during Hartwall gig. They are going to fire somebody again? Cause I remember, that their first singer Tarja was fired.

Aleshka wrote on 09.09.2009 at 14:58
she writes kisses when she's got herpes;p

Isabell wrote on 09.09.2009 at 15:00
"Princess is going to be inspired by Madonna FROZEN video."

Wow, if I'm not mistaken Anette said she would do rocky album. And that is rocky? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL And you know what, Madonna is actually sings better than Anette! LOL

The Seer and Aleshka, thanks for posting links to all those photos. These photos are the best remedy to throw up fast XD

Tiffany wrote on 09.09.2009 at 15:06
Ray of Light album from Madonna is a fucking good album.

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 15:32
@TheSeer

"http://www.whiskycentral.de/categories.php?cat_id=124

Princess simply shines there. :-)"

Seeing these photos and comparing them to the ones of the first shows,it's like seeing two sisters.
The one is young,think and cute-i could even add beautiful.
The other is old,fat,with bad skin and when she smiles is scary,not cute...

And about the clothing issue...The fact that these clothes(mostly high-end brand clothes or just fashionista-style clothes) fit her by size doesn't mean that she actually looks good in them.

She tries to copy the images of models she sees in magazines or catalogues and she thinks that,because she can fit in them,that she looks like that.
Most of her extreme outfits(like some green S&M high heels or skinny trousers*)are made to be worn by models and to be shown only in catalogues.They are for sale,i know,but that doesn't mean that they are clothes that everyone should wear.

And to not get any smart-ass comeback like:"she can wear whatever she wants and that she thinks that suit her".
Of course she can wear whatever she wants and with any combination.But as a self-declared fashionista,she should know what she can wear or what not,in order to look like one.

*I mean stuff like these:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_93IuP2jawcc/Si6VJ2nDiJI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/8Dd7417pqek/s1600-h/20090609493.jpg

Legeon wrote on 09.09.2009 at 15:34
@Aleshka:
Manny people think/hope that Anette will be fired after that show. I think some of them wrote about that even here. But,m there is nothing official and I wrote my opinion on that subject. :)

@Legion:
Thank you for your kind words :)

Kiri wrote on 09.09.2009 at 15:37
Phantom said: "Ray of Light album from Madonna is a fucking good album."

Done with the business Phantom? :-p

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 16:01
EgoSelfishPrimaDonna said: "Hvala puno the seer!!!
Very kind of you!"

You're welcome. Wow, everybody speaks Serbian now! :-D

Isabell said: "she writes kisses when she's got herpes;p"

I hope Maestro still uses to hug with her casually, like in that Zagreb interview. :-p

Legeon said: "The other is old,fat,with bad skin and when she smiles is scary,not cute... "

I think she might be drinking. She's gotten face of an alchoholic - blotted and chubby.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 16:09
TheSeer , something wrong? :P

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 16:49
"I hope Maestro still uses to hug with her casually, like in that Zagreb interview. :-p "

Which Zagreb interview?

Anette hugs everybody at the shows, I'm afraid the whole band could get herpes.

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 17:02
...and her breasts are heading south now

TT wrote on 09.09.2009 at 17:32
thanks Legeon ,

I like her grace and elegance :
http://www.whiskycentral.de/details.php?image_id=1466

this is how Emppu got herpes too :
http://www.whiskycentral.de/details.php?image_id=1459

heil the Herpes Queen !!!

even her mic can't stand it anymore :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRrU0Zrh9sE&hd=1 (4:30)

it literally escaped from her hands :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZqIAtpD_8o (4:20)

I can't wait for their Herpes Arena show !! prepare for a pandemic coming from Finland.... their divine punishement and burden for having sacked Tarja !!! ahah !!

TT wrote on 09.09.2009 at 18:01
Aleksei,

I did maybe get you confused - what I typed here about Princess being inspired by Russia
was in fact copied from our daily entertainment blog.

By "daily entertainment blog" we understand Princess´ blog... ok

Let us start with basic vocabulary

"Princess" = Anette Olzon
"Maestro" = Tuomas Holopainen (known also as "Shadow wolf", "Oceansoul", "Oceansould")
"white chest of wonders" = chest of Tuomas Holopainen
"Daily entertainment blog" = http://anette-olzon.blogspot.com/
is a blog writen by HER sometimes on daily base.

If you will click on this line, you will see entry dated today, so go down and you will see yesterday´s entry about her going to be inspired Madonna Frozen video
and go down (at the very bottom of the page)
and you will see blogentry I copied here, about Moscow show.

I should apologize for us - we did not mean to confuse you, but we meet here often and we created kind of lingo.

If you do not understand something else, do not worry, just ask... :-))

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 18:38
Tiffany wrote:

"Princess is going to be inspired by Madonna FROZEN video."
________________________
You have got it wrong, Tiffany - not for an album, but for her outfit in Hartwall arena..

See link I put into my respond to Aleksei

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 18:49
Tiffany, Aleksei, everybody,

I did not express specificaly that I talked about inspiration for an OUTFIT,
but I supposed that you know that Princess has not many options here -
she should just wait for Swedish producer/songwriter Anders Bagge getting inspired

or make him inspired by herself (being his muse).

BUT it is possible that he will get inspired by Frozen, too. I have NO IDEA.

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:00
And yes, Aleksei,

their first singet Tarja Turunen was fired right after the Hartwall gig in 2005.
The brave bandmates gave her this letter:

"Dear Tarja,
It`s time to choose whether the story of Nightwish ends here or whether it will still continue an undetermined period of time. We`ve been working with this creation for 9 years and we are not ready to give up yet. Nightwish is a way of life, something to live for, and we`re certain we can`t let it go.

Equally certain is the fact that we cannot go on with you and Marcelo any longer. During the last year something sad happened, which I`ve been going over in my head every single day, morning and night. Your attitude and behavior don`t go with Nightwish anymore. There are characteristics I would never have believed to see in my old dear friend.
People who don`t talk with each other for a year do not belong in the same band.

We are involved in an industry where the business-side of things is a necessary evil and something to worry about all the time. We are also a band which has always done music from the heart, because of friendship and the music itself. The mental satisfaction should always be more important than money! Nightwish is a band, it`s an emotion.
To you, unfortunately, business, money, and things that have nothing to do with those emotions have become much more important. You feel that you have sacrificed yourself and your musical career for Nightwish, rather than thinking what it has given to you.
This attitude was clearly shown to me in the two things you said to me in an airplane in Toronto: ?I don`t need Nightwish anymore.? and ?Remember, Tuomas, that I could leave this band at any time, giving you only one day`s warning in advance?.
I can`t simply write any more songs for you to sing.

You have said yourself that you are merely a ?guest musician? in Nightwish. Now that visit ends and we will continue Nightwish with a new female vocalist.
We`re sure this is an equally big relief to you as it is for us. We have all been feeling bad long enough.

You told us that no matter what, the next Nightwish album will be your last one. However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either.
The four of us have been going over this situation countless times and we have realized that this is the thing we want to do in life. It´s all we can do. In December 2004, in Germany, you said that you will never tour again for more than two weeks at a time. You also said that we can forget about U.S. and Australia because the fees and the sizes of venues are too small.

In interviews I`ve mentioned that if Tarja leaves, that would be the end of the band. I understand that people will think this way. Nightwish is, however, a scenery of my soul and I`m not ready to let go because of one person. A person who wants to focus her creativity to somewhere else, a person whose values don`t match mine.

We were never bothered by the fact that you didn`t participate in writing/arranging songs, you never in 9 years came to rehearse the songs with us before going to the studio. Not the fact that while on tour you always wanted to fly, separately from us with your husband. Not the fact that you are an undisputable front image of the band.
We accepted and felt ok about everything except greed, underestimating the fans, and breaking promises. It was agreed by the five of us that Nightwish would be the priority in everything that we do during 2004-2005. Still so many things were more important to you. The ultimate example being the already sold-out show in Oslo, which you wanted to cancel because you needed to rehearse for your solo concerts, meet frieds and go to the movies. Those were the words Marcelo used in an e-mail explaining the cancellation. This being just one example of so many. I couldn`t think of a worse way of being selfish and dismissing our fans.

Nightwish is a way of life and a job with many obligations. To each other and to the fans. With you we can`t take care of those duties anymore.

Deep within we don`t know which one of you drove us to this point. Somehow Marcelo has changed you from the lovely girl you were into a diva, who doesn`t think or act the way she used to. You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status.

It`s obvious that you blame your stress and misery on us four. And you think we don`t respect or listen to you. Belive us; We have always had the uppermost respect towards you as a wonderful vocalist and as a friend. And very often during the past couple of years the plans were made according to your decisions only. You were always the only one who wanted more money from the shows.
This ?compensation and more money from everything? ?attitude is the fact that we are most disappointed of!

We wish that from now on you will listen to your heart instead of Marcelo. Cultural differences combined with greed, opportunism and love is a dangerous combination. Do not wither yourself.

This decision is not something we are especially proud of but you gave us no choice. The gap between us is too wide. And the decision is made by us four unanimously. We are beyond the point where things could be settled by talking.

All the best for your life and career,
Tuomas
Emppu Jukka Marco
Ps. This is an open letter for everybody.

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:05
From what i've read on her blog her son had a problem with his hearing and she took him to a doctor...
He's ok,but i've got to say that if she continues practicing and singing inside her home,her son's hearing won't be ok for more...

Legeon wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:09
What if Anette simply chooses not to prolong her contract (which soon expires) in order to concentrate on her solo career? But she could only do that AFTER her solo album is out, when she knows if it is a success.

That infamous interview with Tuomas certainly sounded like he would pursue that alley. Ask her if she wants to leave ON HER OWN. That way, everyone could save face -

well, perhaps in the eyes of a few true believers at least.

mermaid: My knowledge reveals nothing about my profession, only about my private interests. Everything I mentioned is not exactly arcane specialist knowledge, you can find it all on teh internetz. XD

Yes, it is lyric poetry. The Gourishankar (a unique Russian progressive rock group based in Syktyvkar, Komi republic) have based their lyrics on English translations of Russian poetry. I wonder what it would sound like in the original language.

The Riddler drops articles. That's why he or she probably speaks a language without articles usually. A Slavic language (except Bulgarian or Macedonian) or Finnish, for example.

Almagest wrote on 09.09.2009 at 20:05
Legeon: The ancient Macedonians had assimilated towards the Greek culture, true, but they still retained a separate ethnic identity.

No Greek dialect has Beta for Phi, or Delta for Theta, or Gamma for Chi, or Alpha for Omikron. Other Balkan languages, however, have. The mere fact that the Macedonian ethnic group (and their language) was Hellenised does not mean that they (and it) was ALWAYS Greek.

In the same way, the fact that the Egyptians have been Arabised doesn't mean that they've always been Arabs, and the fact that the Irish have been Anglicised and mainly use English doesn't mean that they have ALWAYS been English, or Germanic. XD

There are MANY undoubtedly separate ethnic groups that speak the same language as some dominant neighbouring ethnic group, but used to have their own language or even still use it. For example, ethnic minorities of native people all around the world. This happens even more easily when the minority language is related (and thus in many respects similar) to the dominant language, as in the case of the ancient Macedonians, dominant language, as in the case of the Macedonians, whose original language was undoubtedly RELATED to Greek, but not IDENTICAL with it.

For example, Sardinian, Sicilian, Valdostan, Venetian, Ladin and Friulian are languages of their own; Galician, Catalan, Aragonese, Asturian and Basque are languages of their own; Corsican, Occitan, Gascon, Breton and Alsatian are languages of their own; but they are all regional languages only, not national languages. But that does not mean that Catalan, Galician or even Basque are dialects of Spanish!

Even in modern Greece, there are many non-Greek minorities: Albanians, Vlachs (relatives of the Romanians), Slavs, Turks, Roma, Armenians, and a few Sephardic Jews. All of them heavily Hellenised now, but originally clearly distinct ethnic groups. Not all of them have fully given up their separate ethnic identity and identify fully and exclusively as Greeks. The Greek government, however, tries to downplay the issue of minorities, and pursues a policy of assimilation, like the French government.

EgoSelfishPrimaDonna: As for Modern Greek "perdika", it is clearly a continuation of Ancient Greek "perdix" (nominative), "perdika" (accusative), which has exactly the same, very specific meaning (partridge); hardly a vague sound-alike. I needn't be an expert in Greek grammar to see this. :-p

Of course, Modern Greek is similar to Ancient Greek, but there are also HUGE differences. The pronunciation, for once. The declination and conjugation. The syntax. The lexicon. Despite repeated attempts to bring Modern Greek closer to Ancient Greek, there are huge differences on every level. They're different just like Italian and Latin are different.

That said, of course you can revive old-fashioned words. That's a very nice thing to do. I like using old-fashioned words, too. :-)

Almagest wrote on 09.09.2009 at 20:12
I don't know who asked about Olzon's first promotional pics and if they were photoshoped,but i found this:
http://www.anetteolzoncentral.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=395

More here:
http://www.anetteolzoncentral.com/gallery/categories.php?cat_id=33

And this one,which isn't a promotional but it's from the same period:
http://www.anetteolzoncentral.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=146

And one recent:

http://www.anetteolzoncentral.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=351

charming.

Legeon wrote on 09.09.2009 at 20:35
@Almagest

"they still retained a separate ethnic identity."

Very wrong.All the residents in Macedonia(the territory in Greece) were Greeks,and they spoke ancient Greek.
The so-called Macedonian language is actually Slavic.

There are many proofs...For example,some years ago archeologists found a sign written on stone,about Alexander The Great,and they found out that it was from his period.
Guess what,it's written in Greek.

There is no thing called Macedonian minority,because the only Macedonians are the Greeks from the Greek territory called Macedonia,like me.
Those people that say they are Macedonians are actually Yugoslavs.
Vergina was always a part of Greece.Pela too.

The rest of "minorities" here,like Albanians,they are immigrants.

Alexander's name,his mother's name,his father's name---all Greek.

But if you want to go farther,i can explain you,since i know much more being a Greek and studying politics,WHY these people insist they are Macedonians,and eve more,why the whole community(call it USA) supports them.

To close this.
I am Macedonian.I was born in Macedonia,which is a GREEK TERRITORY.
FYROM is just a some-decades-ago born country,a piece of what was Yugoslavia.

I know more than non-Greeks on that subject.And if i were you,i wouldn't run to Wiki for info,since their reference to FYROM as Macedonia is illegal by International Laws too.

I will say no more about this subject.

Legeon wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:09
"That infamous interview with Tuomas certainly sounded like he would pursue that alley. Ask her if she wants to leave ON HER OWN. That way, everyone could save face -"

I don't want to sound as party pooper but I doubt they will have an other change of line up. I think Tuomas was just pissed when he did that interview, perhaps he didn't connect his brain and spoke his mind.
I think Olzon is not stupid to leave Nightwish now and concentrate on her career (career? ) . Holopainen is not such a fool to fire (or force to leave) an other singer.
He looks fed up, he will probably do an other album and quit the band. He will do some other projects and perhaps a reunion tour with Tarja in the future. I tell you, Olzon is probably a temporary replacement.
Wanna bet a couple of beers? :P

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:27
Legeon, you have a great collection of freak pictures, from my poont of vie I can say humans are themo creatures in ugliness n ugliness

that one tell everything of Olzon imo :
http://www.anetteolzoncentral.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=395

TT wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:44
...humans are the most gifted creatures on earth for spreading ugliness, stupidity and maleficence.

TT wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:55
Legeon said: "The so-called Macedonian language is actually Slavic. "

True. It's between Serbian and Bulgarian (closer to Bulgarian). I can understand about 70% of it because I know Serbian. Bulgarians can understand 95% of it.

@Legeon: I watched a TV ad for Macedonia on EuroNews. It was very down-to-earth (in Nightwish meaning). They even claimed to be descendants of Alexander The Great?!

Btw I'm going to reveal my opinion on the matter. I think the official country name should be Vardaric Macedonia.

@Phantom: I disagree with you. I think Anette is going to be kicked and Emppu is going to leave NW.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:57
Phantom said: "Which Zagreb interview?"

It was posted here on MFF some time ago. Before you came. Princess and Maestro were acting to be very close. I repeat ACTING.

TheTongue said: "...and her breasts are heading south now"

Phantom do you also plan heading south for a vacation or something? :-p

"even her mic can't stand it anymore, it literally escaped from her hands"

You would also escape TT having Anette's charming face singing to your ear for 1.5 hours (2 hours in Maestro's meaning).

Maestro said: "However, the rest of us want to continue as long as the fire burns. So there`s no sense in doing that next album with you, either."

Unless of corse the fire was to burn for one more album. :-p

" a person whose values don`t match mine. "

Gott sei Dank! *knocks on wood*

"You are too sure of your irreplaceableness and status."

Now we know why Anette. It was a vengance.

"Do not wither yourself."

How kind from Maestro was to remind Tarja not to wither. I wish OF COURSE the same to him and to "the scenery of his soul".

"This decision is not something we are especially proud of"

Yet they repeated it 123456789 times. mermaid imagine how they would have behaved in media if they HAD BEEN proud of it! Lord in his mercy... :-/

"Ps. This is an open letter for everybody."

Then put it in the 3rd person and not in the 2nd duh.

Legeon said: "He's ok,but i've got to say that if she continues practicing and singing inside her home,her son's hearing won't be ok for more..."

That's natural defensive mechanism. Like business for Phantom. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 22:28
Well,what a huge mess we have in this discussion :D
I would like to say I agree and liked the points of Sally, Roxy and James, they made very reasonable points. I do not remember if they were in this topic or not, cause there are too many posts, so I'll write it here.
I also thank Aleshka for his review .
But I also must notice that I agree with Phantom about possible firing.

Olzon will not leave NW on her own will and no, not because she is such fond of NW music or metal music, but because it gives her money and fame, it brought her to the spotlight, she wouldn't want to lose it and frankly speaking, I think she understands that at her age and with her quite average talents she wouldn't manage to built a decent solo career without having a job as NW's frontwoman as a backup.

Tuomas wouldn't want to fire her now, and no, not because they are so happy together, actually Tuomas already showed that he is fed up wtih pretending (see Artmania press conference), because another scandal with the second singer would serve as an awful deadend for NW and he understands it, it would bring much more drama, so no, unless he is ready to commit NW suicide right now . He indeed may just quit later, after second album, trying to cause less drama. That's my point of view.

MFF reader wrote on 09.09.2009 at 22:31
Legeon: The fact that Alexander and his ancestors all wrote Greek does not mean that they all SPOKE only Greek. That was the point of my comparison - many regional languages are rarely written, people simply write in the dominant language of the state.

You do not understand that I DON'T want to argue that Alexander was Slavic like the Macedonian nationalists - quite the opposite. The ancient Macedonians are not the same as the modern, Slavic Macedonians (or Macedonian Slavs if you prefer); they were neither Greek nor Slavic originally. They were an ethnic group of their own, with a language of their own. Originally, that is. Alexander was a descendant of the ancient Macedonian ethnic group, despite the probable fact that he used nothing but Greek (but we don't really know for sure what languages he, or his ancestors, used in private).

The modern Macedonian language is essentially a western Bulgarian dialect, indeed. They choose an extreme western dialect and an extreme eastern dialect of the Bulgarian-Macedonian dialect continuum and made them the basis of the written language of Macedonia and Bulgaria respectively. But the separation is quite artificial, as there was never a true boundary between the "languages", it's a DIALECT CONTINUUM. Nations are CONSTRUCTS.

The fact that you deny the historical fact that there are ethnic minorities in Greece that have been there for many centuries (Arvanites, Cham Albanians, Vlachs, Slavs, Turks, Roma ...) just goes to show that you are falling straight in line with the official view, or rather propaganda, of the Greek government. As EgoSelfishPrimaDonna said, Balkan nations seem to consider it necessary to steal or fabricate their own history, and the "Greek nation" with its obsession with "purity" is no exception.

I recommend you to read this, written by a young Greek-Australian scholar:

http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/thesis/thesis9.pdf

Especially page 499, "A.3 The Balkan Sprachbund".

I have seen a young Greek woman (university educated!) INFURIATED at the suggestion in a speech at an academic conference that there were ever any other ethnic groups than Greeks in Greece. Everyone around (not only the Germans) was APPALLED at her hot-headedness. She acted like a freaking religious ZEALOT. I know all about Greek nationalism, don't worry. It's very sad.

Fun fact: Old Church Slavonic was based on the Slavic dialect that was spoken around Thessaloniki (Saloniki back then) in the 9th century. (However, it is not certain that the modern Solun dialect is its direct continuation.)

(A Greek friend of mine comes from Thessaloniki - though his ancestors are Pontic Greek from Trebizond -, and Firewind were also founded there. It is also home to a recent symphonic metal project called Dol Ammad, obviously inspired by Vangelis.)

Oh, and by the way TheSeer, what kind of ethnic group do you think lived in Kosovo before the Slavs came? :-D

Face it - except for linguistic and religious affiliation, the inhabitants of the Balkans are all quite similar: genetically, culturally, musically, shared history - even the languages have many common words (borrowed) and several striking structural similarities (also borrowed from each other).

Sorry for the off topic, but nationalist zealotry is a subject I feel very strongly about.

Almagest wrote on 10.09.2009 at 08:59
Hasn't Tuomas said in that infamous interview that he is going to talk with the band members about staying or leaving only when the next NW album is ready? That would be in 2011. By then, Anette will know if her solo career is a success. Emppu will have time to make his mind up, too.

So, perhaps nothing is going to happen in Hartwall and we'll have to wait two more years.

Almagest wrote on 10.09.2009 at 09:07
To clear up any possible misunderstanding - I meant when the music is composed and ready, and the recordings can theoretically begin.

Or perhaps they need the long break to check out other candidates?

Almagest wrote on 10.09.2009 at 09:10
Almagest said:

" Everything I mentioned is not exactly arcane specialist knowledge, you can find it all on teh internetz"
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Maybe you can, but you need to have a REASON to do so. You can find bilions of info on internet, but you normally search only for things you are interested about - things related either to your ob or to your hobby...
:-)

Droping articles - I do not think this is related to nationality. I would think it is related to whether you use to use writen form of language for othet purpose then to put a shopping list -

if you - for example - need to write lectures or do a presentations - you MUST start with articles doen not matter what nationality you are
otherwise your presentations or articles will not be readable.

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 09:41
@ MFF reader

Well you make good points, but personally if they have the guts, I seriously want NW to fire Anette, NOT by an open letter, but through talks etc. etc... I seriously think she has been nothing more than a burden to this once great band and what she is doing is making a bigger joke out of them with her talk about pop music, her blogs, her concert outfits, everything. It's just turning into a nightmare for these guys, but hey they kind of deserved it especially for what they did to Tarja. But the one man to really blame here is Tuomas. He really brought this band down with what he did while choosing such a mediocre singer. Nightwish was a wonderful creation of his that inspired many ppl, but now they are just a mess.

I've only known NW for a year now, and the new NW to me is turning into one of the biggest jokes in metal with all of their drama. They could still turn it around. Firing Anette may result into some rage among fans and some of the NW members (esp. Emppu) and whatnot, but I think it might be the best thing in order to keep their reputation as "metal" as Kiri pointed out earlier. He either needs to fire her or stop the band completely because I would hate to see what they will turn into if all of this drama continues during the next couple of years or so.

I agree with Phantom about Emppu. I can tell that he isn't very satisfied with everything that is going on with NW. If I stand corrected, he did not like the whole open letter deal to Tarja and his patience may run out if Tuomas fires Anette. It seems that Emppu was always closer to the two women of NW than the rest were to them. He's actually seems like a pretty nice guy from what I can tell and that may be why the girls were always closer to him.

Plus, another reason is probably because Tuomas doesn't want to have Emppu create awesome riffs anymore because Tuomas wants more "radio-friendly" hot topic riffs LOL, that's just a joke but still. The last couple albums (with the exception of a few songs) did not showcase Emppu's talents to his extent. That's why he has Brother Firetribe so he can let his creativity flow out the way he wants it without Tuomas telling him what to do.

That's what I believe. But the one thing I ask is for NW to start creating amazing music again and with a different singer. No, it does not have to be Tarja, but someone who can at LEAST handle the old songs. The next two weeks will be very interesting for this band. I know I'll have to keep my eye on the MFF news to see what might happen with Anette and the rest of NW after Hartwall.

btw, I need to know something if any of you know for sure: Did Sami (the old bassist of NW) quit or get fired? I heard he quit because of the fact that he didn't want NW to be a symphonic metal band but more power and prog., but in the offical biography book of NW, it said that they fired him because he got drunk and was late for practice. Is the book lying? Can anyone brighten this up? It would be much appreciated. :)

James wrote on 10.09.2009 at 10:00
James asked:
"btw, I need to know something if any of you know for sure: Did Sami (the old bassist of NW) quit or get fired? "
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according a book and according their DVD The end of innocence
was Sami fired.
If you could try to have a look on End of innocence
you will see Maestro talking in dramatic voice have he could not stand it to tell Sami himself about firing him
so Ewo had to do that for Maestro

There is like 5 minutes used for Maestro´s bad feeling about this - how bad does it make him feel that he wa not not able to tell to Sami, one of his closest friends...

a good lesson on how to become a hypocrite fast and easy..
and get rewarded and admired and even pitied
for that.

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 10:31
Almagest said:
"it's a DIALECT CONTINUUM. Nations are CONSTRUCTS. "
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And I do not agree with him on this one - show me the continuity in Finland case. NOBODY of their neigbours does speak a language even close to finish.
Poland, Russia, Germany, Sweden - what kind of continuity have you seen here, Almagest?

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 10:43
@ Almagest, were you prevented to speak, was your tongue cut in a past life ?!

The more humans speak, the more stupidities they say. it's like in music, so many can't stop schmoozing with their instrument, but it leads to nowhere, they just drag the others in their dark noisy abysses and call it art. The brightest harmonic paths are just few steps ahead, but the majority of those so-called artists can't stop looking at themselves.

TT wrote on 10.09.2009 at 10:47
@James

about Sami, according to the official sources, he was fired for not being enough involved in the band, it seems Nw truly wasn't his cup of tea as a musician and metal lover, maybe he didn't want to tour so much as well, in this case Tuomas took the good decision but did it in a coward way.

TT wrote on 10.09.2009 at 10:58
@James

Yes,as mermaid said,Sami was fired.

In a moment in End Of Innocence Tuomas says he made phone call to Ewo and told him to fire Sami.
And then he says a whole "confession" about how much he'll regret for the rest of his life for not telling him in person.

(when i saw this it was 1 year before Tarja was fired.I was 15,and as a teenage fan-girl i felt soooooo sorry for poor Tuomas :P)

Now,i would like to state here(not for you James,you know it,but for the die-hards) that when NW members gave Tarja the letter,they told her not to read it at the same time,but to wait and read it the next day.
Which meant:don't read it now,that we're still here,read it when we'll be gone.

So,they didn't tell it her face.
When someone does this ONCE,then he can be forgiven.Especially if he apologies through a DVD and says that he will regret that "for the rest of his life".

When the same person does that TWICE,he simply doesn't have guts.That's it,and of story.
Especially if,the second time,doesn't show any regret about this.Instead he lets the whole world find it.through a gazillion interviews and songs and press conferences.

So,blind fan girls.Tuomas is a coward period.

Now we must see what he'll find to fire Olzon.
I must admit he's very creative though.Open letter?
At least he's original.

or i must say-Ewo is original.
Since he found a way to fire Tarja that has never been before...And not only that!He found a way to 1)fire tarja 2)let the whole world know 3)create such a big noise and gather all media attention

In short,he did his job with just one letter!And without spending any money.

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:16
TheSeer:
"Phantom said: "Which Zagreb interview?"

It was posted here on MFF some time ago. Before you came. Princess and Maestro were acting to be very close. I repeat ACTING."

It was a video interview? If you remember where it was posted I'd like to see(or read) it ;)

"Phantom do you also plan heading south for a vacation or something? :-p "

Maybe, I was thinking about Greece actually . The Cyclades are interesting :P

James:
"But the one man to really blame here is Tuomas"
"I agree with Phantom about Emppu. I can tell that he isn't very satisfied with everything that is going on with NW. If I stand corrected, he did not like the whole open letter deal to Tarja and his patience may run out if Tuomas fires Anette. It seems that Emppu was always closer to the two women of NW than the rest were to them. He's actually seems like a pretty nice guy from what I can tell and that may be why the girls were always closer to him."

It wasn't me who was talking about Emppu. Although I think he might leave sooner or later.
Wanna know what I think about the pocked sized guitarist? An hypocrite, as much or even much more than Tuomas. He plays the huge friend but then he doesn't really raise a finger. At least Tuomas was more coherent not talking to Tarja for one year. Emppu was still playing the great friend, did he raise a finger to improve the situation? Not really.
There is no excuse for that, you may think Tuomas is a dictator or whatever, he doesn't eat or kill people so far.
I believe that a better comunication would have partially solved the problems.
Surely it was Tuomas' fault as he has the last word in the band. However it were Marco and Jukka cursing against Tarja and Marcelo when they cancelled the USA tour and wanted to cancel the Australian leg. Tuomas had the final saying , the others were just hiding behind him. That made people think it was a Tuomas vs Tarja/Marcelo thing :P .

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:21
"about Sami, according to the official sources, he was fired for not being enough involved in the band, it seems Nw truly wasn't his cup of tea as a musician and metal lover, maybe he didn't want to tour so much as well, in this case Tuomas took the good decision but did it in a coward way."

Exactly. TT was faster

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:22
About Sami , I heard that they are friends again. They still talk to each other

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:23
@Almagest

I said i will not say anything more in this topic,because NO ONE that is non-Greek can know better than us,but i HAVE to answer to this:

"the inhabitants of the Balkans are all quite similar: genetically, culturally, musically, shared history - even the languages have many common words (borrowed) and several striking structural similarities (also borrowed from each other). "

SO WRONG!
Except for some words(i believe their number is about 10),our languages have nothing in common.
Especially with Albanians or Bulgarians or the language that people of FYROM speak.
For example,no Greek can understand Bulgarian without having studied it,and vice-versa.

Genetically we are different too.A Greek is easily distinguished from an Albanian or a Bulgarian or a Yugoslavian or Serbian.
You know what?Because we don't have the same genes.For example,Bulgarians look more like Russians,while Greeks look more like Italians or Spanish people.

In ancient Greece the language spoken was ancient Greek.And they used to write their signs using the language they spoke.
End of discussion.This article has become a farce.

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:24
I liked yout language discussion here though I did not understand a half of it... :-)

I must admit that my native language is enough to confuse me.
For one: we have different dialects in different corners of our country. They are not different just by using different words, but also by different melody of the speech, and by different speed of it.

When I travel within our country (well, I was born in the West, living on North, and travelling a LOT, so I am used to) and talk to people,
they try to talk to me in Official language,
what is even worse, then their own version of the same,
so I tend to ask them to talk as they use to
and I only ask for explanation of a word I do not recognize when needed.
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For two: Regarding Official language -

I have heard about an expatriated manager who came here to lead a production. She was in her homeland trained FOR ONE YEAR to be able to handle our language
and she did well.
But she completely failed here due to "language problems" and was fired.

Seems strange? Not to me. She knew words, right. But language is a living thing - not just a banch of words put together.

The instructions she was giving to production people were given in a way they just did not get.
She talked to them in a way royal family use to deal with their servats:
"Would you be so kind as to"...
and that never yielded possitive results IN PRODUCTION.

We talk like that, yes, but in different circumstances (shopping, talking to friends, etc)
in production area this sounds not as an instruction but as an option.

And problem was NOT about her being a woman - male would achieve the same results, sure.
(Actually there is a common belief that THERE ARE NO LADIES in production. Meaning is that females can not expect any extras - they are dealt with the same way like males)

I worked in the very same company and I always managed with my fully charged right forefinger and instruction: " Do it." Or "Do it NOW".
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Third - the hardcore part of our language. The most important and interesting thing about hardcore part of our language is
that it is almost never used. You can not hear these words on TV, you can not read them in any book, newspapers, etc.
From official point of view they never existed.
But if you know them you can hear the small gasps - small pieces of silence lasted just a fractions of a second
when hardcores were NOT USED. In a very loud way.

I personally did not know any of these words untill I was like 20, or so.

Yet I worked in production area and I would like to give you an example of "normal" instructions of production manager to logistics:

"Fu*k those fu*king wagoons into here, Stephen and fu*k those finished goods onto them. They fu*ked me all production area, so I am not able to fu*k those fu*king semifinisheds through it and
I have to fu*k them around all the fu*king building
what clearly fu*ked me up the productivity number as you might imagine and
do not want me to tell you how they will fu*k us over ... etc (hope you get the general idea)

so, "would you be so kind as to..." - she could talk in her native language as well and she will achieve the same results.... :-)

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:29
"Firing Anette may result into some rage among fans and some of the NW members (esp. Emppu) "

I think that Marco will be more raged, cause it seems he is closer to Anette than Empuu or anybody else in the band.

"I can tell that he isn't very satisfied with everything that is going on with NW"

How do you know that he is not very satisfied? I mean, did he tell something in interviews about it, made some hints?

BTW, a question for those who saw that Made in Hong-Kong Documentary, is it true that Tuomas sometimes looked very bored and said something about quiting there and seemed to be not entirely happy with Anette?

And about Sami - I do not understand why Tuomas fired his friend, as he called him, just like that, without telling him everything in the face? It is not nice to treat your frineds like this.
And why didn't he fire Tarja, no matter if she was his friend or not, also without telling her in the face, but via letter?

Vimes wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:31
Legeon:
"Now,i would like to state here(not for you James,you know it,but for the die-hards) that when NW members gave Tarja the letter,they told her not to read it at the same time,but to wait and read it the next day.
Which meant:don't read it now,that we're still here,read it when we'll be gone. "

Lol true. Do you want to know what he said ? He said that he didn't want to ruin the evening for Tarja , since she was so happy for the show.
Sometimes I'm puzzled, is he really THAT coward or he doesn't realize that is behaviour is wrong and hurts people.

"Especially if,the second time,doesn't show any regret about this."

Lol. His credibility would fall if he admits he regrets and he was wrong. Someone with pride wouldn't do it. When they fired Sami, it wasn't a big deal. It wasn't like firing your lead singer .
Perhaps he regrets it but he will never admit it. Or he doesn't regret it at all.

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:38
Vimes:
"BTW, a question for those who saw that Made in Hong-Kong Documentary, is it true that Tuomas sometimes looked very bored and said something about quiting there and seemed to be not entirely happy with Anette? "

I've seen the documentary only once. I don't remember he told anything in particular about not being happy with Anette.
However he was bored and he indeed said that he thought about quitting several times, even recently.

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:41
Vimes?

Are you Mr. Vimes living in the legendary city of Ankh - Morpork?

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:45
However I don't think it was fun for Tuomas to fire her . You may call me naïve, fanboy etc, but I think he was really upset after that.

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 11:53
"Lol true. Do you want to know what he said ? He said that he didn't want to ruin the evening for Tarja , since she was so happy for the show.
Sometimes I'm puzzled, is he really THAT coward or he doesn't realize that is behaviour is wrong and hurts people."

How sweet, our precious Tuomas is not only humble and shy, but also a sadist.

"An hypocrite, as much or even much more than Tuomas. He plays the huge friend but then he doesn't really raise a finger. At least Tuomas was more coherent not talking to Tarja for one year. Emppu was still playing the great friend, did he raise a finger to improve the situation? Not really."

Agree. So I doubt Emppu would be very worried about Fatty Nettie. He could betray her all the same. :)

"And about Sami - I do not understand why Tuomas fired his friend, as he called him, just like that, without telling him everything in the face? It is not nice to treat your frineds like this.
And why didn't he fire Tarja, no matter if she was his friend or not, also without telling her in the face, but via letter? "

Because he is a coward, mate. Are you shocked?

The Riddler wrote on 10.09.2009 at 12:11
I have to ask, just like Vimes said: how do you know Emppu is not happy?

They seem very happy and satisfied with the sound of their music. And I must say that I think they are content with the situation because otherwise if they wouldn't like how Anette sings some songs (Wishmaster, by example) they would stop playing it.

Kiri wrote on 10.09.2009 at 12:24
@Vimes

I've seen the documentary...I honestly can't recall anything like that,since i was TOO frustrated with Olzon's behavior.

She was talking with a very rude attitude,and very cold.She also said that she can't stand it when fans come and ask for a photo or an autograph.
ONLY when SHE is in the mood she can stand it.

Let me remind you here that Marcelo was many times accused that he doesn't let any fans come near Tarja.
Actually i saw with my own eyes that it is a lie,but i'll tell you what Marcelo said.
He said that the problem is when there are fans that actually jump over Tarja or grab her and be dangerous in general...But they don't have a problem,they actually love it,when comes a sweet girl,for example,with a smile and asks politely for a photo.

So,when it comes to Tarja,the point is about fans.
When it comes to Anette,the point is about HERSELF.

Still,Tarja is the one to be called a diva,and Anette is down-to-earth...

Sorry for my endless rant,but i remembered it from the documentary.
She was unacceptable in this documentary.
Tarja behaved like that in front of a camera,let alone in an official DVD.

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 12:34
ps.I meant "Tarja NEVER behaved like that".

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 12:43
@Legeon: "She was talking with a very rude attitude,and very cold.She also said that she can't stand it when fans come and ask for a photo or an autograph."

I haven't seen the documentary (it didn't interested me) but I read what you wrote: did she really said that? Ohhhh, then, what's about that "She cares about her fans" everyone talks about?

I must say I met Tarja once and she was very kind and talked very normal and patiently to everybody. I don't say she is perfect, she could have bad days also but I've never heard about her saying something like that.

Kiri wrote on 10.09.2009 at 12:57
Legeon, I don't know the documentary by heart but I don't remember that was Anette's point.

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:05
@Kiri

Yes she said that.

@Phantom

I remember it.She said it to justify her collapse or whatever this thing in Brazil was.

I actually remember one scene too,where they are in a van talking them to the hospital and there were fans around them...Anette started yelling "where is my bodyguard?"...
As a joke of course,but we all know that this kind of jokes aren't acceptable,especially when it comes to fans.

I recently saw the "Flight 666" movie by Iron Maiden.It had numerous scenes where there were also flooded by fans,but they were smiling,laughing and saying all the time how grateful they are that there have dedicated fans,and i remember Bruce Dickinson and Adrian Smith talking about how important it is to respect your fans and the fact that they came to see their favorite band...Which means that they must put their personal problems or exhaust aside and give a hell of a good show...

You see,this is what professionals say.And musicians that actually respect their fans and appreciate their dedication.
Which is why bands like that continue to have millions of fans and be respected as a band and not a joke...

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:35
@Kiri

"Ohhhh, then, what's about that "She cares about her fans" everyone talks about? "

Actually recently have been many complaints about Olzon ignoring her fans,even from HER own fans.

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:38
let's say it frankly, Anette is simply not a pleasant person to mix with, especially in that herpes Era...

TT wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:43
I found the whole documentary on youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z4nhezZ_bc

(there are also the other parts)

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:44
"talking them to the hospital"

I must have been put of my mind LOL.

I actually meant "taking them TO THE HOTEL"...

I seriously must give a rest from studying..

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:45
Thanks, Legeon!

I haven't watched the "Flight 666" movie, but I really have to (Iron Maiden is my favorite band :) ). They respect their fans and they passed through some crisis too (especially when Bruce Dickinson left the band) but they knew how to get over everything. Or they didn't show they had problems and chose to deal with them in private. This is one reason I respect them :)
And, to be back on topic, this is one reason I don't respect/like Nightwish anymore :(

Kiri wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:46
@Legeon , I don't think it's rude to be scared of fans crowd , or to say that being a famous person is not always fun.
I would be scared as well as I don't like big crowds , I suppose sometimes it feels weird .

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:49
Almagest: "Oh, and by the way TheSeer, what kind of ethnic group do you think lived in Kosovo before the Slavs came? :-D "

I must admit that I have no clue. It was loooooooong time ago. :-p

mermaid said: "you will see Maestro talking in dramatic voice have he could not stand it to tell Sami himself about firing him so Ewo had to do that for Maestro"

God is giving Maestro the third chance to be man.

Phantom said: "It was a video interview? If you remember where it was posted I'd like to see(or read) it ;) "

Here it is Phantom: http://www.metalfromfinland.com/news/2009-04-14_13:38/nightwish_interviewed_in_zagreb_video_available

It is a video interview. Now read it. :-p

But there is one problem with it. I cannot see Maestro and Princess hugging in it. I didn't watch it before, I believed to mermaid's comments. Can you see them hugging Phantom?

"Maybe, I was thinking about Greece actually . The Cyclades are interesting :P"

I believe they are. :-p

"Exactly. TT was faster "

That's because you are human Phantom. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:02
To me anette won't be fired from the band after the last gig. Maybe later...

Devy wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:16
"You may call me naïve, fanboy etc, but I think he was really upset after that."

Phantom, you are naive but in a very cute way ))
Poor, poor Tuomas, he was so upset, poor darling, after he cowardly kicked out woman with whom he had been working for nearly ten years, without having courage to say it all to her in person. Let's all give him a hug, shall we? :)

"otherwise if they wouldn't like how Anette sings some songs (Wishmaster, by example) they would stop playing it."

Sweetie, Tuomas's goal is to prove that anyone with any voice can be NW's singer, so they won't stop playing Wishmaster or other songs which were cutely slashed by Fatty Nettie, cause if they stop, it would prove him being wrong. And Tuomas, sweetie, must be always right. In his own eyes and fans of his adorable fans.

"She also said that she can't stand it when fans come and ask for a photo or an autograph.
ONLY when SHE is in the mood she can stand it."

Legeon, candy, you probably will be upset, but after awful diva Tarja was fired, and Tuomas made interview, saying this thing:
" If a fan asks you for an autograph and to take a picture with you in , you need to concede it to fan with a big smile! It doesn't matter how bad you feel, tired or sick."
This was said about the situation with fan girl in Brazil airport. But despite that diva Tarja apologized for not giving autograph to girl in that airport, cause she was tired and sick, Tuomas still tried to stress how terrible she is.
And how funny, those Tuomas's words can be related to Fatty Nettie now, can?t they?!

To Aleshka, do not get upset, dude, by the remarks of Fatty Nettie aka Anette Olzon about your country. Fatty Nettie is well known for her insulting countries and fans :) It is her special quality that makes her very down-to-earth.

The Riddler wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:17
Regarding hugging between Maestro and a Princess,

yes, as Seer says, it was me who came in here really surprised about their permanent hugging:

http://www.eaglescry.de/Articles/NWKerrang0309

says, that ONE HOUR after they split for shopping THEY MEET BY A FRIENDLY HUG again.

But you all persuaded me that it is perffectly normal to hug every hour.. So.

I actually saw them hugging a lot but I did not try to remember where it was
as far as I was explained already that it is a normal thing...

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:31
Aleksei,

look: I still can understand that Princess tried to look like "carevna" in Russia - hence the tiara.

But have a look how she looked like in London in 2008
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3616/3310388922_f0d489bbe7.jpg?v=1239369494

and as you see - either UK inspired her to look like a "Biene Maja" (Bee Mary?)
or kind of completely drunk snail (red "eyes")

And even if I really think hard I can not come with explanation what poor UK did so bad to get princess inspired like this ...

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:37
"I don't think it's rude to be scared of fans crowd , or to say that being a famous person is not always fun.
I would be scared as well as I don't like big crowds , I suppose sometimes it feels weird ."

It is rude to whine about it and pay so much attention to it,no matter how down-to-earth she is, specially since she is only 2 years in the band and must prove she does a good job as a performer in all aspects. And her jokes about bodyguards are so cutely lame :) Really, she is a charm.

The Riddler wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:39
@The Riddler:
"Sweetie, Tuomas's goal is to prove that anyone with any voice can be NW's singer, so they won't stop playing Wishmaster or other songs which were cutely slashed by Fatty Nettie, cause if they stop, it would prove him being wrong. And Tuomas, sweetie, must be always right. In his own eyes and fans of his adorable fans."

Yes, I guess you are wright :)

Kiri wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:42
But if you need to see them hugging -

why do not you go and watch Artmania interview video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Swao3huo7a4

I am quite sure they were hugging there, though maybe not in first part, but later...

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:53
@TheSeer
you want me I show you tough, I show you tough...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa-PhBRiuMU

I guess they are all old NW die-hard fans trying to make a good use of their newly hard feelings towards Tuomas...

TT wrote on 10.09.2009 at 14:58
@mermaid

You see,Olzon gets inspired not only by countries,but mainly by cartoons...
Pippi Longstocking,Bee Maja...

Miss Piggy too...There's a VERY interesting video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3-HbJsptI8

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 15:35
@mermaid

I don't recall if we were talking on this article about men,but if you remember i mentioned Mats Leven and you told me taht you haven't seen him...

here are some pics that i think you must see :)

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/28/l_678dfab47ac4e111e3bc044455a57794.jpg

http://www.patrikhellstrom.com/krux002.jpg

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 15:47
Mermaid:
"I actually saw them hugging a lot but I did not try to remember where it was
as far as I was explained already that it is a normal thing..."

They hug at the end of the shows. But not just Anette and Tuomas, Anette hugs the rest of the guys too. I think it's normal. Even with Tarja sometimes they hugged after the show. Nettie (eww) likes to hug a lot after the shows. XD

You were wrong, in the Kerrang interview it's her who greets Tuomas with a hug :P : "?I?ve got you a present,? she tells a smiling Holopainen, greeting him with a friendly hug. "

Don't you worrie, she won't get married with Maestro :P, she is engaged with the bassist from Pain.

Talking about hugs :
http://s44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/Sarinchen/Tarja%20and%20Tuomas/?action=view¤t=lovely.jpg

Even Finns hug each other as you can see.

Riddler:
"Phantom, you are naive but in a very cute way ))
Poor, poor Tuomas, he was so upset, poor darling, after he cowardly kicked out woman with whom he had been working for nearly ten years, without having courage to say it all to her in person. Let's all give him a hug, shall we? :)"

Do you always call everybody cutie, sweetie, candy, darling, honey, duckie XD
Oh my intention wasn't pitying Tuomas. I know he's such a coward. It's just what I noticed.
I have this bad habit of putting myself in others shoes sometimes. That's such a bad habit.
That's why I think that it's not a big deal complaining about the negative sides of fame (as Anette did in that documentary). Surely she should shut her mouth sometimes.

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 15:56
"specially since she is only 2 years in the band and must prove she does a good job as a performer in all aspects"

Riddler, that's the point . She didn't display professionalism in Brazil . But I can see why she had a lot of pressure.

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 16:02
@TT LOL , the second dude punches a stick with 3 "penises" . Is that Mermaid's ideal man? XD ;)

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 16:04
Legeon

I answered you the very same day - but we hold this discussion in previous article.
Actually, we (CanuckFan and me) still do.

Phantom,

I am not going to engage in this sort of discussions

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 16:22
"Nettie (eww) likes to hug a lot after the shows. XD "

Cheesy :P.

"Don't you worrie, she won't get married with Maestro :P, she is engaged with the bassist from Pain."

What a pity, they could have mader such a couple. LOL

"Do you always call everybody cutie, sweetie, candy, darling, honey, duckie XD
Oh my intention wasn't pitying Tuomas. I know he's such a coward. It's just what I noticed.
I have this bad habit of putting myself in others shoes sometimes. That's such a bad habit.
That's why I think that it's not a big deal complaining about the negative sides of fame (as Anette did in that documentary). Surely she should shut her mouth sometimes.
Riddler, that's the point . She didn't display professionalism in Brazil . But I can see why she had a lot of pressure."

Not really, but I'm here for fun actually, so I unwind my mind ))
Yes, that's habit is quite overrated :)
It depends on who complains and how and what kind of fame he/she has. Anette has easy fame, not earned by years and years of hard work for instance and she is not even coping with her job. Well, of course she is so down-to-earth and ever so sweet as a large bowl of sugar, but that doesn't count, LOL. And she was big girl when she decided to grab cash and fame by joining famous band, so nobody made her and she knew what she was doing, and she must have known there would be pressure. So no use to complain now as if she didn't expect it and it was out of the blue for her, LOL. Complains about her fame and pressure she should really keep to herself for now, instead of trying to play the pity cards. Two years only after all, mate :)

The Riddler wrote on 10.09.2009 at 16:45
LOL
Phantom, I don't know for Mermaid but Seer's ideal man for sure...

:)

TT wrote on 10.09.2009 at 17:38
@Mermaid which discussion? About penises? XD

Riddler: "What a pity, they could have mader such a couple"

*feels like throwing up
My stomach is sensitive today

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 18:02
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJcFPIKCqK0

And few simple questions:

as you see here, Maestro and his three sisters went out to get suntanned a bit -
but even by this occasion Maestro had a need to take "NW" equipment, marked as "NW" with him.

Now the questions:

a) why does he do that, - would he forget he is "NW" if this word will not be writen close to him to remind him all the time?

b) is he taking "NW" equipment, marked as "NW", to increase his overwhelming sex appeal?

c) does he sleep with "NW" equipment marked as "NW" equipment as well? - to increase his

- I do not know know...

sleeping capacity?

d) and best of all - do you think he saw the person filming him? I know it might sound stupid because that person had to be quite close - but he behaved as if he had NO IDEA...

certainly not as a person who in fact arranged this invasion to his privacy, no, not at all....

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 18:41
Thanks everyone for helping me out with what happened to Sami! :D I wonder why ppl were spreading rumors about him quiting? Oh well, at least I know the real truth.

I agree with most of you that Tuomas is a gutless little coward who can't face ppl when he has to do something he doesn't like. But he needs to realise that this is life and sometimes you have to make these decisions and these decisions aren't always easy.

It's the same thing with owning a business. As an employee of a business, would you want to be handed an open letter from your boss stating the reasons for laying you off or your firing while everyone else in the company knows about it? NO! It's completely unethical. That's why the meetings are ALWAYS in private and away from the rest so their is NO drama and gossip amongst others.

Tuomas and NW did not do this and decided to be dumb and chicken shit toward Tarja. Of course I wasn't there when this all happened, but still what's the worst that can happen? Was she going to pull out a gun or a knife on them? XD I mean get real. A REAL man faces his fears and is strong about things. As a guy, I can say that I had to do things out of my comfort zone and believe me I can relate to Tuomas on this. It isn't easy, but being a total coward is not something I would do. I know where he's coming from, but he needs to grow up!

I agree, if Tuomas fires Anette, Marco may not be too happy either. If Marco quits or if he gets fired, I will NOT listen to NW anymore for sure. I now can see why ppl hate NW now after Tarja left. If your favorite singer gets canned, why would you still listen to that band anymore? Also, Marco is one of the reasons NW is not a 100% mainstream pop metal band yet. He's as metal as anyone in Finland and in metal in general, and with Tarot he fucking rules in that band. He even slips up here and there, but he is one of the reasons I even still pay attention to NW anymore. Hell, at least Tarot still makes kick ass music. After all, he could be the savior of NW, eh? XD

I don't blame Tarja fans for hating NW. I didn't know NW when Tarja was fired so I don't feel the same as the die-hards do, but I feel their pain for sure and I'm beginning to understand more now.

James wrote on 10.09.2009 at 18:48
Just for the hell of it, I just scrolled through a couple of comment pages on the Amaranth video on Youtube and I am surprised on what I see. Comments like "This is the only NW song that doesn't make me want to jump off a cliff" or "Tarja's voice was too high pitched" while getting thumbs up from these comments are just, oh no. Wow, Legeon I am starting to believe in you now about the new NW fans. They are like all top 40 lovers and not metal fans.... D: OMG, what's happening?!?

James wrote on 10.09.2009 at 18:56
mermaid said: "But if you need to see them hugging"

Thanks, but I'll survive without it. It was actually Phantom who wanted to see (or read :-p) Princess and Maestro hugging.

@Legeon: that Anette Miss Piggy video was hillarios. I haven't laughed like this for a long time. :-D

And about Mats Leven. I've seen Therion 6 times live and all I have to add is <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 His voice, hair, looks EVERYTHING! *.*

@TheTongue: I've seen that Kung Fu video already before but thx anyway. It was funny again. Especially the nunchaku guy. :-D

And about my ideal man. I'm sorry I have to disappoint you TT, but that would definitely be human. Unlike you, I prefer humans to aliens. Partially thanks to that alien movie with Sigourney Weaver and Winona Ryder. There was a hot black guy in that movie who sacrificed his life in order to save someone else. I couldn't believe my eyes that someone that hot got killed in the middle of a movie! O.O I would rather sacrifice everyone else in order to have him live. Even Sigourney Weaver and Winona Ryder. Though it would be tough with the latter 'cause she proved to be some resilient robot or something.

TheSeer wrote on 10.09.2009 at 19:01
@The Riddler
"And she was big girl when she decided to grab cash and fame by joining famous band, so nobody made her and she knew what she was doing, and she must have known there would be pressure. So no use to complain now as if she didn't expect it and it was out of the blue for her, LOL. Complains about her fame and pressure she should really keep to herself for now, instead of trying to play the pity cards. Two years only after all, mate :)"

I agree with you. When she decided to accept Nightwish' offer, she knew what was expecting for her in this world. She knew that every fan of Nightwish will be with his eye on her. She knew she was going to be criticized or praised.
She knew it would be very hard with the old songs and with the touring... she has nothing to complain of. When she accepted the job, she knew she would receive the whole package.

Kiri wrote on 10.09.2009 at 19:02
Mermaid , are you ok? XD Are you sure your temperature isn't rising? XD
He is in the backstage before a show with Indica, signing some stuff. What's upsetting you? XD
Oh, your sense of humor.

Phantom wrote on 10.09.2009 at 21:44
@TheSeer

"And about Mats Leven. I've seen Therion 6 times live and all I have to add is <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 His voice, hair, looks EVERYTHING! *.*"

YOU HAVE SEEN HIM 6 TIMES???

I am so jealous of you...I have never seen him,because i started to listen to Therion in summer 2007,when they had already performed in Thessaloniki and now he's gone...
He only performs in Sweden and sometimes in Italy,i just hope he visits us when he'll release his solo album...

And yes,he's smoking hot!He's the only guy that makes my fiance jealous :P
I don't blame him...When he's here he uses my computer,which is full of Mats' pics...But i can't stop it :P

His voice is insane...He can scream,he can sing ballads,he can even imitate Lemmy and sound EXACTLY like him...

I generally am not a fan-girl,but i wouldn't mind being called a Mats fan-girl... :)

Legeon wrote on 10.09.2009 at 21:57
mermaid, thanks for all the information. Well, it seems that band is having some strange period. Whatever.
But let me tell you this about Anette's "zcarevna" inspiration. I do not care what she wanted to look like, I do not care if she wanted to look like "zcarevna", "Red Square" or "Vladimir Lenin" himself ok, because she failed to look good. Not for metal concert, not connected with anything Russian. Telling that she had inspiration from Russia for that dress or tiara is stupid, if she really thought that that was stupid of her, she at least could leave those thoughts in her head and not shared them. Because she made Russia look bad, like my country could inspire to wear those bullshit dolly clothes. We respect taste in Russia, ok. And trust me my friends from Russia were not happy to learn this.

Aleshka wrote on 10.09.2009 at 22:10
mermaid: LOL. Ever heard of Estonian?

Granted, there isn't a real dialect continuum anymore nowadays between Finnish and Estonian, but Karelian and various other minor languages and dialects in Russia (mostly in Karelia and the St. Petersburg area, i. e. around Lake Ladoga - yes, St. Petersburg was founded on old Finnic soil and the natives driven away or Russified) are even more similar to Finnish than Estonian is.

The Saami languages are related to Finnish and Estonian, too.

Also in Russia, you can find many "small" languages that are more distantly related to Finnish, and logically to Hungarian as well. The closest relatives to Hungarian, Mansi and Khanty, are found in Western Siberia. There is a town called Khanty-Mansiysk there, known for its oil industry and as the host of the 2003 Biathlon World Championship. Thanks to Mansi, Khanty and the various other languages in Russia, the relationship between Finnish and Hungarian could be confirmed.

Informations about such subjects is not exactly hard to find on teh interwebz. Ever heard of Google? :-p

I don't see native speakers drop articles a lot, sorry, except when typing lists, telegraphs or nowadays SMS, quick notes or memos, which is not what people are doing here.

TT: I'm not sure what your problem is. Obviously I'm not the only person here who writes a lot, including about off topic subjects. I just wanted to address the ridiculous Macedonia issue.

Legeon: OK, just to make clear that I have no problem with you as a person ... I agree with you most of the time, especially what you are writing about NW right now, defending Tarja, criticising Anette's attitude, I really value that.

But not when it comes to biased, slanted, contorted or falsified versions of history, EVEN IF it is not your fault that you were indoctrinated with lies.

Have you even taken a glance at the source I gave you? Do you ever question your beliefs (regarding Greek history, I mean)?

To you and other Greeks, being Greek is obviously something more like a religion, something that cannot be rationally discussed. An ersatz religion perhaps ... (Granted, the Serbs and other Balkan peoples are not really better.)

I know you (nationalistic Greeks) don't like sources that don't agree with the fabricated history (I'd call it a mythology) you have been taught at school, however academic they may be. Even if they have nothing to do with Wikipedia, but come from a PhD dissertation. Written by a Greek scholar.

I know it doesn't fit into the nationalistic concept of the Greeks that Athens was a tiny town with mostly Arvanite (thus, Albanian-speaking) inhabitants only 200 years ago (the old town is still called "Plaka", the old one, from Albanian "plak", old), and the only Greeks living in the area spoke a weird dialect that the other Greeks barely understood ... not glorious, I know, but why not blame the Ottomans for the decay :-p

I know the genetic research that has been done lately and that proves that the Balkan peoples - even the Hungarians! - are now virtually indistinguishable from each other (thanks to all the mixing of peoples on the Balkans) doesn't fit into the nationalistic craze of the people there nowadays ...

But it is still true. The Balkans have been a melting pot of peoples. Besides the Greeks, the oldest layer still recognisable are the Albanians, then there are the Romanians and Vlachs, the Slavs (especially Bulgarian Slavs, they are the typical modern Balkan people), the Ottoman Turks with their Persian and Arabic culture. History has left traces in all the Balkan languages and cultures.

Balkan languages have many common constructions and structures. One example: a typical case system is nominative, accusative, genitive-dative (merged into one), vocative. Modern Greek has lost the Ancient Greek dative. It has lost the infinitive too, just like the other Balkan languages.

Oh, how can I get back to MFF from here?

Hm, let's see: A Finnish linguist, Jouko Lindstedt, has calculated a "Balkanization factor", assigning a score to several Balkan languages how "typical" they are (number of common Balkan features).

Did you know that Titus Hjelm of Thunderstone is a scholar, too?

Ha, I did it! :-p

Almagest wrote on 10.09.2009 at 22:32
TT: It is said in the book that Sami was more of a fan of prog rock, especially Rush. He's playing in a jazz band now. I doubt he is a "metal lover" really. If anything, Nightwish was TOO MUCH metal for his taste. It appears he was simply bored playing those simple bass lines.

Kiri: No way, Kiri. They can't drop Wishmaster, even if Marco had to sing it alone (which would make little difference nowadays). In fact they announced dropping Wishmaster at first, when Anette was new, saying that the song is overplayed, but then reverted their decision. Guess why? It's pure freaking CULT. It's the unofficial NW fan anthem. It has the power to thrill pretty much EVERY fan. It's something that's still got the power to rally the fans and give them a sense of community, like a sports club anthem, or a national anthem. It can even make them forget about Anette's inadequacy for a moment ...

Legeon: It was me who posted the Miss Piggy video over at the Tarja Baltic Sea Festival article :-p You stole it without giving me credit for discovering it, you b*st*rd (just kidding) :-p

James: Here's a new video with Juliana. A compilation of short cell-phone-cam videos, so no stellar quality, but enough to get the drift:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie3PwTAxe1I

No way that either Anette or Amy Lee sing better than this.

Almagest wrote on 10.09.2009 at 22:54
Yeah, thanks Legeon for that awesome (so pertinent!) Piggy video, and the last comment was great too :

xNightwishLovex wrote : "OMFG YOU ARE ONE FUCKIN? IDIOT. WHY DONT YOU FUCKIN GET A LIFE INSTEAD OF DOING SHIT LIKE THIS. Maybe you are the one that looks like Ms Piggy there bitch "

thanks TheSeer, I agree with you about the nunchaku guy... those guys like pain !

Did you see that other masterpiece, it tells a lot on humans and confirm my beliefs, I mean that the majority of humans are just a bunch of stupid clowns created to divert the whole galaxy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKP4Q6pJ8RI

About aliens, don't get me wrong, I'm mysanthrope with the whole universe, at least with everything that has humanoid features, I prefer not to touch human skin, by far I prefer animal fur for sweet (and innocent) cuddles and my hairy hands for the basic boring stuff ;)

btw, "TT" stands for TheTongue but alternatively also for WhiTney housTon, I mean to pay homage to her great talent and beauty people have so unfairly forgotten...

TT wrote on 10.09.2009 at 23:08
"
Legeon, candy, you probably will be upset, but after awful diva Tarja was fired, and Tuomas made interview, saying this thing:
" If a fan asks you for an autograph and to take a picture with you in , you need to concede it to fan with a big smile! It doesn't matter how bad you feel, tired or sick."
This was said about the situation with fan girl in Brazil airport. But despite that diva Tarja apologized for not giving autograph to girl in that airport, cause she was tired and sick, Tuomas still tried to stress how terrible she is.
And how funny, those Tuomas's words can be related to Fatty Nettie now, can?t they?! "

About this matter, all I have to say is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3amuHfknpk

mwaha wrote on 10.09.2009 at 23:47
Legeon said: "YOU HAVE SEEN HIM 6 TIMES???"

Only 3 times. The other 3 times were without him. :-p

I've seen him in Budapest in 2004 with Karin Fjellander in Therion and that was my favourite Therion concert ever. After that in Belgrade in 2007 and in Miskolc in 2007. My next Therion concert was Wacken 2007 and that was the first one without Mats. I missed him very much. I like his hair, his voice, his moves... On Gothic Kabbalah he showed his deep voice, like in Perennial Sophia. I couldn't believe it was him. :-)

TheTongue said: "Did you see that other masterpiece, it tells a lot on humans and confirm my beliefs, I mean that the majority of humans are just a bunch of stupid clowns created to divert the whole galaxy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKP4Q6pJ8RI "

Ouch that video hurts! But besides that it's also funny. I like when that horse kicks that idiot. :-D Btw TT I fell from my bicycle and broke my collar bone in the similar manner. That means that I am stupid clown created to divert the whole galaxy right?

mwaha said: "About this matter, all I have to say is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3amuHfknpk"

Down-to-earth and humble as always. Respecting Nightwish, the fans and metal music. She is such sweetheart. :-)

Unlike evil diva Tarja: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i31DmRXyVrE

She is greedy bitch who doesn't like metal and cares only about money!

TheSeer wrote on 11.09.2009 at 03:39
Here comes more, Tarja and her evil bitchy laughter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmcmV3kMFSg&feature=related

At 0:15

TheSeer wrote on 11.09.2009 at 03:50
@ mwaha

"About this matter, all I have to say is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3amuHfknpk"

WOW! She wouldn't even look at the fans or acknowledge them hardly from the bus AT ALL, goddamn, caught red-handed on video and on Youtube too! Jeez, she's more of a diva than I thought, and she looks so stuck up and selfish on that video, almost like Paris Hilton or something. I mean COME ON! I know they were just some crazy fans, but still, AT LEAST GIVE SOME SORT OF GREETING WORTH WHILE, not some stupid little wave or look! They basically adore her there and she just said fuck you to the fans! Mwaha, thanks for that video. Tarja's the diva eh Tuomas? She sings happy birthday to a fan in private and signs autographs for free. Right... ;)

Every Nightwish "fan" should watch that video, because that right there is complete lack of respect toward the fans. If I were there, I would have demanded my money back... Very unprofessional, Tarja would NEVER do that to the fans. I really hope they can her good after this tour, I can't stand her anymore.

@ Almagest

Okay, she sang some good acapella there, better than Anette for sure. Amy Lee? Too hard to judge with that kind of quality, but maybe. ;)

James wrote on 11.09.2009 at 05:36
Seer, no, that just means you need to concentrate more on cycling than looking around.... you know :)

You seem a pretty cool and open minded guy with a great sense of humour... clowns are other ones, for example in these days, you will find many of them in Helsinki at the Hartwall Arena... and those idiots will be the ones to cry this time, the nightmare is definitively gone for Tarja.

btw, I have to say I like also Mats' heroic deeds with Therion...that guy has a great presence and charisma.

TT wrote on 11.09.2009 at 05:50
Almagest asked me:

"Informations about such subjects is not exactly hard to find on teh interwebz. Ever heard of Google? :-p "
_______________________________
Yes, I did. But why do you think I am interested?

I do not expect you to have the same job or hobby I have, so why do you expect me to be interested in the same things you are?

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 11:08
@Almagest:
"No way, Kiri. They can't drop Wishmaster, even if Marco had to sing it alone (which would make little difference nowadays). In fact they announced dropping Wishmaster at first, when Anette was new, saying that the song is overplayed, but then reverted their decision. Guess why? It's pure freaking CULT. It's the unofficial NW fan anthem. It has the power to thrill pretty much EVERY fan. It's something that's still got the power to rally the fans and give them a sense of community, like a sports club anthem, or a national anthem. It can even make them forget about Anette's inadequacy for a moment ... "

I agree Wishmaster is like their "anthem", but that was only an example of old song "butchered" by the Anette. I was thinking about every old song she "kills". For example, I wonder why don't they leave "Slaying the Dreamer" alone... It is a beautiful song, but now, it sounds so empty without the operatic singing at the end of the song... Not to say that I saw on youtube some older versions of this song when Anette tried to sing at the end of it. I was like "oh, my ears, my ears"!

Kiri wrote on 11.09.2009 at 11:08
9.9. at 10.01 I typed this words for Legeon:

"Yet, the funny thing is that every year people studying, living and working abroad are coming back home. Usually they do it when they feel like having a family and give birth to their children."
________________________________

And yesterday I was thinking about this interesting issue I described here - about seven schools (I think there is 8 schools at the moment in our country) which collect the smartes kids of our nation in the age of 14 -
and educate them till they are 18 and leave us for their studies abroad
and then they stay abroad a get ex-patriated
BUT they come back before they are 30 to have families and kids here...

About our EXPORT of our best sons and daughters abroad... and their reunion after many years, when they are older, educated yet not qualiffied, but with their illusions lost...

And I did realise that those ex-expatriots in fact helped this coutry a LOT.

We are very traditional country, and let me put this one straight - we are xenophobic.

Yet, it si difficult to be xenophobic to your own kids or relatives, or schoolfriends or neighbours, is not it?

Ex-patriated people coming back put our economy, out social infrastructure and our culture in huge positive stress..

for one - they should start in the very bottom because however fancy education they received abroad, they have NO job experiences (for some reason cleaning toilletes in posh houses in Malibu is NOT counted as a job experience, even you do it 10 years:-P)

But these guys bring to our labour market quality we never had there - they are not afraid of changes and they actually can and like to process the changes!!

I can see how fast we grew up as society within last ten years - and the speed is still increasing!

On the other hand - these guys are coming back with different sets of values, with spoiled native language, etc...

which is not necessarily a bad thing, either.

They use to come every year before Christmass time - for some reason. (Off course not all of them in the same time, but majority of them does.)

Three years ago or so Irish expatriots prevailed (when Poland started to export their labour there)

and it was quite fascinating year.

Last year USA guys were coming back - they lost their houses and jobs for obvious reasons - and came back to their relatives here to start again..

I am quite interested who it will be next - I kind of expect Germans to be next, but who knows?

Anyway, Legeon, in USA you will be just one of oh so many Manuelas, foreigner coming and stealing job of native americans...

Last to be hired, firts to be fired.

Which is completely normal and to be expected in every country, USA are not special in this.

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 11:43
Aleksei,

I was not saying that she was right in doing so.

I just said that that was what she meant to do.

She - after all - clearly believes she is a model and gets dressed that way.

That does not mean she is right - she is no model and she does not look like one however big attempts she is doing fo that matter.

I never said she is right: I never said she has a dress sense, I never said she has a common sense.

She is not and she has not.

She is very tasteless as well.

BUT - the same way she thinks she is a model - the same way she most porbably thought she looks like "zcarevna". :-)

What you could possibly do about dumb people?

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 12:22
and by "dumb people" i meant people who can not OR/AND do not want to hear other´s people voices..

She can hear the only voice - voice in her own head what is saying:

"You are so beautiful, so georgeous, so talented, so loved and admired..."

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 12:25
TheTongue said: "You seem a pretty cool and open minded guy with a great sense of humour..."

Thank you TT. :-)

mermaid said: "She can hear the only voice - voice in her own head what is saying: You are so beautiful, so georgeous, so talented, so loved and admired..."

I think her life-coach is telling her the same. And maybe her asisstant too. But I understand them. They are PAID for that.

TheSeer wrote on 11.09.2009 at 12:45
Seer said:

"I think her life-coach is telling her the same. And maybe her asisstant too. "
______________________________
That is called "stereo" and "hi-fi".

Only poor people listen to voices in their heads in "mono" way, Seer.

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 13:05
@mermaid

"Anyway, Legeon, in USA you will be just one of oh so many Manuelas, foreigner coming and stealing job of native americans.."

What are you talking about?I'm going there to visit my fiance for 10 days,and that's it.

I am not planning to work there.Not at all,actually.

Legeon wrote on 11.09.2009 at 13:37
Oh, I suppose I should type "would" instead of "will"

Calm down, Legeon, I know you are going there to VISIT your fiancee..

When are you leaving?

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 13:47
@mermaid

Ok,i thought you were accusing me of stealing their jobs :P

I actually want to work in another country...

I'm leaving in one month...I got my visa and everything's ok...Of course i'll be there for 10 days and i won't be able to post here...
I'm feeling sorry for wrathchild,he'll miss me...

Legeon wrote on 11.09.2009 at 14:08
Now I am cracking myself up -
but most probably me being witty but to myself...

I remember one advertisement "dolby suuround" - for phillips or somebody..

OK, this is from our daily entertainment blog:

"Friday, 11 September 2009
Listening and thinking...

Since I am gonna do an album with Anders and the guys, I need to not only try and do songs but also give them some music I like, sounds, feelings etc. Its not so easy, cause I like so much. But I have gotten together some great sounds now and will send it over today so they can start thinking of songs too;=)

I am eager to get started recording and trying out stuff now;=)
Posted by Anette Olzon at 12:51 0 comments "

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 14:38
... so she is going to send them not just the SONGS, but SOUNDS and her FEELINGS as well..

Is it just me or is this woman crazy?

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 14:40
if she wants actually trample on Tuomas' territory, she will for sure receive an open letter in first-class mail even before the hartwall arena... yes, she 's completely nuts....

TT wrote on 11.09.2009 at 16:13
Legeon said:

"I'm feeling sorry for wrathchild,he'll miss me..."
____________________________
you can be sure of that!...

i am quite interested whom he will start to bother to companzate for his suffering :-))

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 16:17
@mermaid

I can actually imagine what kind of sounds she'll use...
Cat mews(or purring,based on her cat's health),her son running in the house,and of course,the sound of models' heels on the runaway.

Legeon wrote on 11.09.2009 at 16:24
....but i would REALLY love to be there and see Anders' expression when he gets the package with Anette's songs to be inspired,and end up hearing "sounds" from her home instead of melodies,tempos,you know,things that usually make music.

Legeon wrote on 11.09.2009 at 16:26
I wonder why did she feel the need to tell us what she was wearing on the beach?

Kiri wrote on 11.09.2009 at 16:30
@Kiri

She has been doing this since the her first post on her blog...

And actually in the start she was posting snacks,hats,cat breeds...Whatever.

Legeon wrote on 11.09.2009 at 16:53
Anette said: "Since I am gonna do an album with Anders and the guys, I need to not only try and do songs but also give them some music I like, sounds, feelings etc. Its not so easy, cause I like so much. But I have gotten together some great sounds now and will send it over today so they can start thinking of songs too;=)

I am eager to get started recording and trying out stuff now;=)"

Crazy or not, I'm impressed with Princess' English skills. Tarja's English skills are miles behind as Wrathchild kindly pointed to us.

TheSeer wrote on 11.09.2009 at 17:01
Legeon said:

"....but i would REALLY love to be there and see Anders' expression when he gets the package with Anette's songs to be inspired,and end up hearing "sounds"
___________________________
Legeon,
if I could be a fly on that wall....

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 17:02
kiri told us:

"I wonder why did she feel the need to tell us what she was wearing on the beach?"
__________________________
well, Kiri,
I - unlike you - am still missing few really strategic informations:

- what brand of underwear was she wearing?
- which color?
- what pattern with?

And - it is good she explains us everyday how she managed in gym,

but I am missing info about her diggestion..

Chinese doctors believed that info they could receive by having your urine..

Is not her welfare the most important thing?

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 17:08
Aaa, Seer,

good to see you..!

I thought that you started to host on Tarja´s articles exlusively...

Riddler does talk to you on previous article.

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 17:31
Kiri said: "I wonder why did she feel the need to tell us what she was wearing on the beach?"

Well she needs to spread the word about her fashion sponsors, smart way to get some free clothes and save money for her career, pity she doesn't know how to dress up decently though.

Moonchild wrote on 11.09.2009 at 17:46
@ TheSeer

Well that's true about Tarja and her english skills, but going from Finnish to English has got to be awful hard for anyone. I couldn't do that. Hell, I could barely speak english.. :p But I can speak a little German, but that's it..

James wrote on 11.09.2009 at 18:23
@Mermaid
:))))
Now you made me curious too. Maybe we should write that on the blog... You never know :D

On the other hand, I don't remember which of you talked about "clothing sponsors". I think that person is right: maybe some of her fans are interested what dress she wore at a concert, but on the beach?!? Come on, this is ridiculous!

Kiri wrote on 11.09.2009 at 19:27
@ Tero or MFF Staff,

On the news board it says 479 comments, but here it says 461. Is that a problem with the site or is it because there are too many posts perhaps?

MFF Staff: I need to look into that...I think it might be something to do with caching issues on the site...thank you for informating!

Tero
MFF

James wrote on 11.09.2009 at 20:03
@kiri

"I don't remember which of you talked about "clothing sponsors""

Actually she did.She said that she needs clothing sponsors...

Legeon wrote on 11.09.2009 at 20:19
mermaid said: "I thought that you started to host on Tarja´s articles exlusively..."

It's Wrathchild.

TheSeer wrote on 11.09.2009 at 22:16
Guys,you really need to watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-oqA3wBYlo

It's Ghost Love Score in Moscow...
You don't have to see it all...But you MUST see it from 7.10...

And especially the last part...
Because,when the lyrics say "my fall will be for you,my love will be in you,if you be the one TO CUT ME I'LL BLEED FOREVER",someone is supposed to dance like this...

Legeon wrote on 12.09.2009 at 01:01
If you would like to see how evil Tarja was acting towards poor helpless Tuomas than you'd better see this:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7577/nightwishtutsandtarjax.jpg

Joy wrote on 12.09.2009 at 02:33
TheSeer: I forgot to get back to you about Kosovo. In fact I have learned that it was probably inhabited by Albanians since time immemorial. At least the southern part. So the Albanians should have more right to Kosovo than the Serbs, because they have been around longer.

(I have learned that Albanian speakers lived south of Nish as late as 1870, and they must have been lived there ever since Roman times for linguistic reasons ...)

Sometimes it's difficult to say who was there first. For example western Poland. Now there are only Poles (except a few German-speakers in Upper Silesia). But 100 years ago there were mostly Germans, the Poles drove them away after WWII, as we know.

But the Germans hadn't been there all the time, they colonised the area (including most of Eastern Germany) in the High Middle Ages, when there were Slavs everywhere. Like the Sorbs and Kashubians.

But before the Slavs came, there were Germanic tribes like the Goths and Silings (a tribe forming part of the Vandals) all over Poland (in fact the name "Silesia" seems to derive from the Silings) ... XD

But at least Polish Galicia seems to have been part of the Slavic original homeland, before Germanic tribes settled there, then Slavs, then Germans, then Poles ... So, who is entitled to live in western Poland? Poles or Germans?

Who has the right to live in Eastern Prussia? The earliest known inhabitants (the Baltic Prussians) no longer exist as an ethnic group ...

So you can see why this kind of argument leads to nothing.

I just wish governments round the world would stop treating distinctive ethnic minorities and regional cultures as a nuisance or even outright enemies of the state and view them as an enrichment of the national culture.

We have so many positive counterexamples - Finland being one of them. It has been recognised that biological and cultural diversity of a country are related and often even go hand in hand in fact.

Almagest wrote on 12.09.2009 at 04:41
@ Legeon

Re. "It's Ghost Love Score in Moscow...
You don't have to see it all...But you MUST see it from 7.10..."

I am utterly speechless...

Normally, I refrain from being overly critical about NW & Anette, but GLS is my absolute FAVOURITE NW song and that video shows a total, absolute, unspeakably horrid butchering of a brilliant piece of music.

I almost couldn't watch the whole video and I almost cried. It was so bad I cannot find words to describe it...Or how I feel about that performance...

Oh my God...

CanuckFan wrote on 12.09.2009 at 04:49
@ Legeon

Actually, I do know how I feel about it, after thinking it over for a few moments: I'm angry.

I'll be over it shortly, however, and will just blast the Tarja version very loudly in an attempt to erase what I just saw from my brain.

Why did you have to do that to me, Legeon? Why, why, why??????

CanuckFan wrote on 12.09.2009 at 04:53
I mean, HOLY SHIT, I can sing that song better (I'm just saying...) - and I would head bang appropriately, not flail my arms around like that! I would also NEVER ad lib the way she did at the very end - ACK!

Legeon - damn you! I was having a great day until now!

I would like to give Anette the benefit of the doubt here, kind-hearted, fence-sitting, apologist that I am...

I just don't know anymore...I just don't know...

CanuckFan wrote on 12.09.2009 at 04:57
Whoa. At this rate of activity, this article will have 1000 comments in no time ...

Some random thoughts:

You are ALL wrong. Sami is the true soul of NW. When he left, the band started to suck.

Tuomas is a poser, not a composer. :-p

About people who complain that they cannot stand Tarja's "emotionless" voice: Emotions are for emos, really tech-savvy people appreciate technical vocals. :-D

James: Woher kannst Du deutsch?

TheSeer: I'm not overly impressed by Anette's English and I don't think she is better at it than Tarja at all. Not even considering that Swedish is similar to English, while Finnish is not similar to English at all.

Tarja gave the Universal people a pile of Hans Zimmer soundtracks. What's Anette going to give Bagge? You know, sampling found sounds and creating a whole album of sound collage would be a rather avant-garde thing to do.

But would it sell?

Almagest wrote on 12.09.2009 at 05:42
mermaid: You misunderstood my intention. I'm just saying that you needn't be a professional to be informed about this kind of things ... I'm not a musician either, but I've learned a LOT about in on the net.

Almagest wrote on 12.09.2009 at 05:46
Legeon, aaahhah ! disco club dancing on GLS with that outfit !!! =8O sacrilege !!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_93IuP2jawcc/SqTSZmiRSCI/AAAAAAAABRs/vgednbN1gcE/s1600-h/Downloads.jpg

that's quite disgusting for such a song, poor Tuomas, I wouldn't be surprised she even risk a moonwalk on Sleeping Sun next time...

TT wrote on 12.09.2009 at 07:49
According to latest scientific researches, the difference between Anette-haters and a bag full of S**t is......the bag.

Insane wrote on 12.09.2009 at 10:20
mermaid, ok I see. Thanks. I still think it was stupid of her.

May be it will be interesting for someone here, but I read review of concert in Moscow on one multiportal site in the RuNet and the reviewer said that it was very disappointing because of Anette and that lots of people were leaving concert in the middle of it, cause they couldn't stand the performance longer and lots of people after the concert was over, were saying that until NW changes the singer, they won't come to any NW concert in the area. I also saw several official photographers' reports who attened the concert and they also were very upset by Anette and also said she wasn't very pretty in live to take photos of her. Those people are mainly metal fans, who just like metal music and go to every major metal gig, they are not fans of some era, so it was interesting to know their opinion for me. I hope for you as well.

Aleshka wrote on 12.09.2009 at 13:07
"According to latest scientific researches, the difference between Anette-haters and a bag full of S**t is......the bag." - Insane

LOLS the Bag full of Shit joke!! EPIC!!

Ravisk wrote on 12.09.2009 at 13:52
Almagest said : "Tuomas is a poser, not a composer. :-p"

I bet Tarja would disagree, even now :D

As for emotional music, I love emotional music, emotional vocals (Tarja's) , I'm such an emo :D

The Seer, I admitted it. Are you happy? XD

Phantom wrote on 12.09.2009 at 13:59
@CanuckFan

I'm really sorry i destroyed your day...But actually it isn't my fault...I am not the one doing this to a beautiful song...

@Insane

And even more precise scientific researches have shown that the difference between Anette and a can of ham is...the can.

Legeon wrote on 12.09.2009 at 14:09
Almagest said: "Sometimes it's difficult to say who was there first."

It doesn't matter who was there first. It matters only who is there NOW. ;-)

"But the Germans hadn't been there all the time, they colonised the area (including most of Eastern Germany) in the High Middle Ages, when there were Slavs everywhere. Like the Sorbs and Kashubians."

I know. There are lot of Slavonic toponims in Berlin: Rudow, Spandow, Gatow, Kladow, Treptow, Karow, Buckow... And the biggest German island Ruegen was once Slavonic. There used to be one of the biggest temples dedicated to old Slavonic god Svetovid. If I'm not wrong, Danes destroyed it some 800 years ago.

"But at least Polish Galicia seems to have been part of the Slavic original homeland, before Germanic tribes settled there, then Slavs, then Germans, then Poles ... So, who is entitled to live in western Poland? Poles or Germans?"

Everyone who has a house there or buys it.

CanuckFan said: "I am utterly speechless... Normally, I refrain from being overly critical about NW & Anette, but GLS is my absolute FAVOURITE NW song and that video shows a total, absolute, unspeakably horrid butchering of a brilliant piece of music. I almost couldn't watch the whole video and I almost cried. It was so bad I cannot find words to describe it...Or how I feel about that performance... Oh my God..."

I think you should give Anette another chance. :-p

"Why did you have to do that to me, Legeon? Why, why, why??????"

You should ask Maestro that. Not Legeon.

Phantom said: "The Seer, I admitted it. Are you happy? XD"

Yes Phantom I'm gay, thx for asking. And you? :-p

Btw, I'm even more gay today because I bought a car! :-)

TheSeer wrote on 12.09.2009 at 15:32
TheSeer:
"Yes Phantom I'm gay, thx for asking. And you? :-p

Btw, I'm even more gay today because I bought a car! :-)"

I'm emo :-(

Which car did you buy?

Phantom wrote on 12.09.2009 at 16:55
"Tuomas is a poser, not a composer. :-p "

I think he is a composer who is also a big poser.

I'm an emo too, officially, cause I like Tarja's emotional voice! I also like emotional voices of Floor and Simone and Vibeke and that makes me even bigger emo! And I'm proud of it!

Legeon, you did awful thing by giving link to GLS! I'm close to coma now! GLS doesn't deserve that yacky performance!

Recent researches also showed that posts, written by the person with nick "Insane" are always....insane! :))

Joy wrote on 12.09.2009 at 17:34
@ Almagest

Re: "Whoa. At this rate of activity, this article will have 1000 comments in no time ..."

Oh, I could have left several more comments I decided to moderate myself with this...;)

Well, twist my rubber arm, here is my final comment on the GLS video Legeon posted.

My reaction to this was exactly the same as when I recently went to see the movie adaptation of one of my favourite novels. I had low expectations, but I was not prepared for just how royally they would butcher and fuck up a really great story. I left the theatre angry and upset. This is how I felt last night.

CanuckFan wrote on 12.09.2009 at 18:24
@ CanuckFan

Well girl, welcome to the club... :p I don't know why Maestro continues to butcher old NW songs... I could probably sing better than that too... Anyone could be in NW these days.. XD

@ Almagest

Ich kann ein Bisschen Deutsch sprechen, aber ich bin gut noch nicht.. :p I don't know if that was good or not, but I tried.

Also, about Tuomas. You say he's a poser, but here's what I think:

You know, Sami techically speaking is a better bass player than Marco, but Marco's singing skills put NW on another level. He was already established with Sinergy and Tarot, so bringing him to NW made them better, especially during their live shows. Plus, it gave Tuomas more creativity to write some duets like Dead to the World, Planet Hell, and so on. I think Century Child was rather good, Once was worse than CC but still good, but DPP was very uninspiring to say the least and they can do better.

But Sami was NOT the soul or NW. He did little to contribute to that band plus he distanced himself from the rest during live shows and was barely noticable. But the best NW albums were their first 3. Those albums had the most heart and passion for music than any of their newer releases. New NW isn't that inspiring and sounds rather average, but what can you do..

I agree to a point, but without Tuomas, there is no NW whether we like him or not. Phantom's right, Tarja would even disagree with that even today. Don't get me wrong, I liked Sami, but he was not a big contributer to NW at all.

I don't consider Tuomas a poser, but he's a big whiner and a chicken shit toward difficult situations. XD That's how I look at it.

James wrote on 12.09.2009 at 18:39
@ The Seer

Re. "I think you should give Anette another chance. :-p "

Like I said, I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps she was having a bad night, for instance. Still...There has to be a certain amount of respect for a song as epic as GLS. GLS is almost prayer-like for me, lyrically, and some things, like GLS, are pretty sacred to me. This particular interpretation was not respectful of the soul of GLS...

Like I said in a previous comment, I tend to shy away from being overtly critical of NW & Anette. I generally don't care what they do, how they dress, what they blog about, what goes on in their private lives, etc., etc. - as long as they make good music. I know I'm in the minority when I say I loved DPP, and I know I'm in the minority when I say I like Anette's voice. I think she sounds great on the CD. Live, however, she tends to be iffy, I will now admit. I am also not keen on her versions of Nemo, Ever Dream, and The Siren. I don't even like how she sings Amaranth live.

But, although I've had misgivings, I never really cared because I have the CDs to listen to and a couple of DVDs and that is enough for me.

Seeing this performance of GLS has opened my eyes somewhat. I think I "get" a little better some of the criticisms now. I still don't think it's right to spread rumours & speculation, bash, denigrate, dehumanize, and generally be mean-spirited, nasty, and vitriolic towards the band members; I will not stoop that low.

But I do now understand the disappointment, sadness, and anger many people have expressed.

CanuckFan wrote on 12.09.2009 at 18:40
I was reading through MFF forum , I came across this thread:

http://metalfromfinland.forumakers.com/general-discussion-f11/the-canuckfan-mermaid-and-anyone-else-who-wants-to-participate-general-friendly-chat-thread-t58-60.htm

@Mermaid. Jesus! Woman, you are fucking obsessed :P. Can't you give me a break for a while? I think The Riddler is right, you are obsessed with me. And you like spankies, don't you? ;)

Thanks sweetie, but I'm not interested in how many orgasms mommy boy Ravisk has per night. I'm not gay and, above all, I'm not a pedo XD.

I'd gladly show you how I think sex is overrated! :P

You are restless! XD If we ever meet I'll buy you an inflated John Holmes plastic doll with a vibrating johnson. It's obvious that average man's cock won't make you happy ;)

Phantom wrote on 12.09.2009 at 20:45
@ CanuckFan

See, so many fans felt betrayed by NW and when they picked up Anette, it was like a big fuck you to all the fans who adored and respected them. Anette was the exact OPPOSITE of what NW fans wanted, a half-assed pop/rock singer who is only accustomed to singing mediocre rock and pop songs. I've heard HUNDREDS of girls on Youtube you can sing better than her, so that's why they are pissed and I don't blame them. I see how it is now, and I've only known these guys for such a small amount of time, but what I have learned gave me a bad feeling about their image and their stance as a group.

NW have grown so many haters and many think of them as posers now. Seven years ago, no one would have thought that about them. But they deserve it for all the crap they did to get to this point, honestly. That's why I mainly stick to the old stuff now.

I think you are beginning to realise like the rest of us why we are so bitter now.. :p

James wrote on 12.09.2009 at 21:58
Phantom said: "I'm emo :-("

That's even more than I asked. :-p

"Which car did you buy?"

Black Peugeot 107, 1 year old.

CanuckFan said: " I tend to shy away from being overtly critical of NW & Anette."

Me too. Honest to God! :-p

TheSeer wrote on 12.09.2009 at 23:22
@ Phantom

Man - or whatever you are! :) - it's all a ploy to get you to come over to the forum! Can't you see that?

Let's see: 3 participants on that thread so far; 102 posts; 448 VIEWS! Someone - or several someones - is definitely lurking!

You have just outted yourself as a lurker, Phantom, so I am going to start addressing posts to you over there and see what happens! :D

CanuckFan wrote on 13.09.2009 at 00:26
@ James

Yeah, I get it, I get it.

But, then I don't get some of it, either.

I am disturbed. And curious. And still feeling slightly crushed...

@ The Seer: oh PUH-leeeeez! :)

CanuckFan wrote on 13.09.2009 at 00:31
@TheSeer

strange, my mum will buy one 107 tomorrow...

TT wrote on 13.09.2009 at 01:32
mermaid, yes I love Terry Pratchett's Discworld series, specially Watch novels and Sam Vimes is my fav:)

Thank you everybody for the information about Made in Hong-Kong documentary. But I really want to ask you these two questions:
1) I know that in 2005 the tickets for Hartwall gig were announced for sale on 25th of July, and they were old sold out in less than an hour, the gig took place in October. The Hartwall gig in 2009 was announced in the very begining of April but I heard that it took several months for them to be sold out and the gig is in September. Could anyone tell me how fast exactly were tickets for September Hartwall gig sold out?

2) What was Tuomas's reaction to Anette's upcoming solo album? I heard rumours he was mad, but Internet is full of rumours.

The Riddler, I'm not shocked. I'm ashamed for him. It is not the way you should treat your friends or people you are working with.

The GLS video which was posted here is horrible. It is the live murder of GLS :(

Vimes wrote on 13.09.2009 at 01:48
@Vimes

1)It took several months...I think it was about June o July when the tickets were all gone...
But yes,in 2005 the tickets were gone in 45 minutes.]

2)There's no official statement yet or anything like that...He hasn't said anything,and i haven't heard any rumor...

If you want my personal opinion,as a fan of NW since 2001,i believe that what he feels is regret.And let me explain you why.
I believe one of the reasons they hired Anette(in the same fashion that they would hire ANY singer who's not professional and with no experience or no knowledge) is her lack of knowledge and her naivity on the subject.
Which meant that they could do whatever they wanted with her.They told her to dye her hair black,she did.They told her what equipment she would use,what to wear,HOW MANY live shows they want to give...

But now,she's woken up.Too soon and too loud.She hired her manager,she believes that she's first and then is the band,she's doing and saying anything she wants without caring if she must or mustn't.

So Tuomas is frustrated now because he sees that the singer they hired to use as a puppet,now does whatever she wants.

That's of course my personal opinion.

Legeon wrote on 13.09.2009 at 14:01
"You have just outted yourself as a lurker, Phantom, so I am going to start addressing posts to you over there and see what happens! :D"

Of course I lurked. I was reading through the forum, but I don't think I will register .

Phantom wrote on 13.09.2009 at 14:11
@Legeon : In her blog she has been asked about the guys reactions. If you read her answers she says that there were positive, Emppu even offered help with guitars. She doesn't say anything about Tuomas.

Phantom wrote on 13.09.2009 at 14:34
"when I recently went to see the movie adaptation of one of my favourite novels. I had low expectations, but I was not prepared for just how royally they would butcher and fuck up a really great story. I left the theatre angry and upset. This is how I felt last night."- CanuckFan

You meant Twilight? Twilight's fan are so cute and sweet:D

Isabell wrote on 13.09.2009 at 14:59
"In her blog she has been asked about the guys reactions. If you read her answers she says that there were positive, Emppu even offered help with guitars. She doesn't say anything about Tuomas."

Interesting sign, I mean that she doesn't say anything about Tuomas's reaction, the reaction that matters more than Emppu's reaction :). Cause Emppu is always positive about everything and always acts friendly towards everybody. Still we know that his acting friendly doesn't mean he can't stab someone in the back later, you know what I mean.
And about puppet thing, can anybody really explain me why they wanted to dye Anette's hair in black? Why?

Xena wrote on 13.09.2009 at 16:44
@ Phantom

"In her blog she has been asked about the guys reactions. If you read her answers she says that there were positive, Emppu even offered help with guitars."

Emppu seems to be the "nice guy" when everything goes to the shitter for some reason. More proof that if Tuomas fires Anette, Emppu quits the band.

"She doesn't say anything about Tuomas."

Of course not because Tuomas is angry and sad about this I'm sure. Legeon nailed it about what she said about Tuomas and how he feels about regret and everything. I agree.

James wrote on 13.09.2009 at 17:00
@Isabell

No, it was The Time Traveler's Wife.

CanuckFan wrote on 13.09.2009 at 18:47
@James and Xena , She said that in general their reactions were positive (check her blog, I don't remember her quote ;) ) . She doesn't mention Tuomas, it doesn't mean he is pissed about it.
Actually I think he doesn't really give a shit about her doing a solo album ;)

Phantom wrote on 13.09.2009 at 19:34
@Xena

For the same reason her clothes were more rock or even emo in some point,and that she stated things like her son is a metalhead and things like that...
To convince us that she's suitable for this kind of music.

Legeon wrote on 13.09.2009 at 20:33
"She said that in general their reactions were positive (check her blog, I don't remember her quote ;) ) . She doesn't mention Tuomas, it doesn't mean he is pissed about it.
Actually I think he doesn't really give a shit about her doing a solo album ;)"

"In general positive" is a very general answer, lol Not very trustworthy actually.
And it also doesn't mean that Tuomas is very happy about it.
Well of course last time their first vocalist was very greedy and distant , having solo stuff, and now he doesn't care that second vocalist already wants solo album on her own? Lol

Legeon, and now she stopped pretending and making everybody believe that she is suitable for that kind of music? :)

Xena wrote on 13.09.2009 at 21:07
@Xena

Yes,and she actually shows in every possible way how much she dislikes this kind of music,how pop artists are far more superior than metal artists,how much of narrow-minded metalheads are...

For God's sake,she even posted a whole lecture about how much wrong it is of metal heads to accept classical singers in metal and not pop singers!
For example she asked why shouldn't Britney Spears sing metal!!!

No,since she became a singer in NW she has been showing that she's not a metal singer with her singing style and stage performance...But since she started her blog she has brought down any possible characteristic of what we call "metal singer".

Legeon wrote on 13.09.2009 at 21:28
@ Legeon

Did you notice she apologized & explained about the "Greece incident" on her blog yesterday?

CanuckFan wrote on 13.09.2009 at 22:04
@Xena Honestly I don't know, neither I care.
I only know that Tuomas' problem was not Tarja's solo album

Phantom wrote on 13.09.2009 at 22:04
"Did you notice she apologized & explained about the "Greece incident" on her blog yesterday?"

Wow, after almost a year after the incident she finally decided to make some apologies and explanations? How heroic of her. I do not think Greek fans will buy that stuff, lol

Phantom, well yeah sure it was one of the problems, probably part of being greedy and not interested in the band.

Xena wrote on 13.09.2009 at 22:47
@CanuckFan

No,i saw it only now you told me...I didn't have the urge to read the whole response things,no matter how much Anette followers believe that we're obsessed.

Well,i suppose that after a year and a half it doesn't make any difference.And remember that she only apologized because some fan asked her.
All those months with hundreds of interviews,press conferences and posting on blog,she had MANY chances to apologize.
And she didn't.

ps.To be honest,i was frustrated with this fan's behavior.He was talking like we Greeks apologize to her about the hideous show or that we owe her anything.
But the truth is that i was in that show.Actually it was the show that made me dislike my once favorite band.
And no matter how the organizers sucked,they still gave a monstrous show.It was a festival,and all the other bands had similar problems,but all of them tried their best to overcome the difficulties and gave good shows.
Bands like Tristania,Edguy,Sodom and of course Nevermore.

From what i know,Nevermore is a bigger band,with more experience and history in the metal scene.Well,they gave a great performance and never said anything bad----But the "best female metal singer"(her words) couldn't be satisfied and HAD to denigrate us to the whole planet,through another country's magazine.
Can you understand my frustration now?
Also the fact that i paid 60 euros (94 Canadian dollars) to see them and they sucked,and after some time their amateur in every way singer accused us and said that no band should play here?

Legeon wrote on 13.09.2009 at 23:06
@ Legeon

Yes, I get your anger & frustration. And almost $100CDN is A LOT of money to shell out for a disappointing experience. I'm sorry this happened to you & that your once much-loved band let you down.

CanuckFan wrote on 13.09.2009 at 23:15
@CanuckFan

Thank you.

I would like to add something here.
A month after this festival,the same company organized a Kamelot concert,with Firewind and Forever Slave as support bands.

Guess what.The whole show kicked ass.
It started on time,there were NO delays,no sound problems,no payment problems,nothing.
And i believe that,along with the Sabaton concert i saw this January,it was by far the best show i've seen.

ps.I said "payment problems" because one of the problems NW,along with all the other bands,faced was the fact that they hadn't been paid until the day of the festival.

But let me state here that,when NW came here for the festival,there was this huge strike of bank employees going on for many days.
So,no one could reach his money on the bank for more than a week.
I remember that i also wasn't paid,because my boss couldn't pay us.
But still i continued working,and i didn't showed my disappointment to the customers!
It wasn't their fault,after all.
The same way that it wasn't our fault what had happened.

Legeon wrote on 13.09.2009 at 23:23
This place/forum sucks!Stupid people writing stupid stories!

Fredie wrote on 14.09.2009 at 00:27
A SOLO ALBUM???? WHAT THE F***?! Who does she think she is!!!!

Gerry wrote on 14.09.2009 at 00:56
"But the "best female metal singer"(her words) couldn't be satisfied and HAD to denigrate us to the whole planet,through another country's magazine."

"Best female singer"? Excuse me, did she actually called herself "best female singer"? O_o

Eowyn wrote on 14.09.2009 at 01:06
Seer said:
"mermaid said: "I thought that you started to host on Tarja´s articles exlusively..."

It's Wrathchild. "
__________________________
? deadly attractive, or what?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 09:57
CabuckFan said:

"@ Phantom

Man - or whatever you are! :) .."
_____________________________________
:-))) I like thi comment of yours, ChanuckFan!
I would say me might come to conclusion that Phnatom IS a lurker
and does the lurking on our gossiping place, too.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 10:19
Vimes,

good to see you!! Do you know that on one month is new Teryy Pratchett´s book due - and it is going to be about football this time!!

I love all his novels, off course, but I appreciate books which are based on the real history of some kind - did you read his 3 books on Discworld science? just marvellous!

And then deffinitely: Making money way a great book, or Going postal...

And in my bed you could find all three Tiffany Aching book - I just love the language The wee free men speak - that is just unbelievable!

I am also a member of official fanclub - and i receive the news from there...

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 10:27
I have a question: is the Hartwall Areena show sold out? I looked on their website and is does not say anything about being sold out (they usually write "sold out" in the "upcoming shows" page, but now it does not say anything :) ).

@Legeon: Did she actually call herself "best female metal singer"?
In what world is she living???

Kiri wrote on 14.09.2009 at 10:39
Seer,

I decided to translate for you one little poem, so you could see how the proper poetry should look like.

Here it is:

Gun was chasing DY once
cought him, removed his pants

They did cuddle, they had fun,
ETC was that way done.
________________________

Now, translation. This poem was created in SONY (TV production)
DY stands for a deflection yoke. It is a thing done from cooper and its function in TV set is to deflect the stream of particles.

GUN is an electron canon. It is basically a glass tube.
By TV production you insert GUN into DY and the result is inserted into the glass part of future TV set (ETC).
That is done in Bridgend, Wales.

Now, for those of you who did imagine that - yes, it is openly sexual, because GUN - altough made from glass mainly, looks a bit like a real thing -

though on a Japanese side of a scale (having like 2 cm of diameter.

But - you did not expect production guys to go for a beauty of a sunset in their poetry, did you?

So, this is real poetry, Seer: it is short, smart, gets to the point. Shows a deep production insight and a knowleadge of technologies. :-P

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 10:39
@Mermaid
":-))) I like thi comment of yours, ChanuckFan!
I would say me might come to conclusion that Phnatom IS a lurker
and does the lurking on our gossiping place, too."

Today I'm pissed and not in the mood for jokes or bullshits, so you better shut the fuck up or you might get bitten.

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 11:12
I liked your discussion on what Maestro is thinking about this...

and let me tell you how do I see this matter.

I really and truly believe that Maestro is all happy.
He certainly entertains NO END reading how she found much more talented, much more succesfull guy with big house to write songs for her and how well she is getting along with him.

So, now she is about to rise from a second class band to a first class enviroment (Madonna, Celine Dion...)

Maestro must be very pleased with that.

I could imagine THAT. Whenever I found me a new boyfriend I never missed the opportunity to explain to the previous ones how much more talented, succesful, smart and witty my new boyfriend is, how big house he has, how much fun I have being with him.

From my experience they all felt really relieved and happy for me..

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 11:17
Xena said:

"Wow, after almost a year after the incident she finally decided to make some apologies and explanations? How heroic of her. I do not think Greek fans will buy that stuff, lol "
____________________________
have you been thinking WHY did she apologise after 1,5 year?
Is it possible that somebody of her team (manager, asisstant, whoever)
DOES read our comments here?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 11:46
I'm doing like Princess on her blog. This is my song of the day :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNFwQmZvnuw

I dedicate it to The Seer :D

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 12:10
@Kiri

Yes,i remember that i read it somewhere...

But the Hartwall Arena is sold out,it is stated in the ticket-selling site.

@Fredie

If by "stupid story" you mean the story i posted about the incident in Greece,save your opinion to yourself.I was there,and this is what happened.
If you don't like it,i couldn't care less.

@mermaid

Yes,you are right...Maestro is SO satisfied now...What he had to offer to her?

"have you been thinking WHY did she apologise after 1,5 year? "

She apologized because a Greek fan asked her about the incident.

Legeon wrote on 14.09.2009 at 12:23
Pahntom said:

"Today I'm pissed and not in the mood for jokes or bullshits, so you better shut the fuck up or you might get bitten. "
___________________________
Ajajajajaja, Phantom

we are all scared almost to death. My hands are trembeling, my chair is trembeling, floor is trembeling under me, too.

The only reason why I look to be static is that this trembeling gor in oposite directions, so in the end it all adds up with zero result.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 12:53
Thank you, Legeon! I saw that after writing my comment :)

Kiri wrote on 14.09.2009 at 12:58
Mermaid said: "we are all scared almost to death. My hands are trembeling, my chair is trembeling, floor is trembeling under me, too. "

Sweetie, calm down and turn off your vibrator (and your mouth please) ;)

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:08
Mermaid said: "have you been thinking WHY did she apologise after 1,5 year? Is it possible that somebody of her team (manager, assistant, whoever) DOES read our comments here?"

I read what Legeon wrote about this subject (the Greek fan that asked her about this). Even if I didn't read that, I wouldn't think she could care about us... the critics are not important for her, she doesn't care, all that matters for her are those who praise her (I guess that's because of the good impression she has on herself)

Kiri wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:18
Phantom said:

"Sweetie, calm down and turn off your vibrator (and your mouth please) ;) "
_____________________________
well, unlike you, Phantom, I work with computer NOT with vibrator. I could switch it down for a moment, but I do not see how this might make you happy.

And I did not utter a word within last maybe two hours, so it is also impossible to shut something what already IS SHUT.

Do you have any other impossible wish I anyway am not going to fullfil for you?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:40
Xena said:
"And about puppet thing, can anybody really explain me why they wanted to dye Anette's hair in black? Why?"

Noone knows because they never made an official statement. My personal guess is that they needed to ease the transition of singers as much as possible because lots of people don't handle changes very well. Switching from a famous classical singer to non-classical unknown person in the scene is already big enough for some but imagine if she would have been blonde as well from the start (her natural colour). This way people at least had an easy optical switch although the two of them (Tarja Turunen and Anette Olzon) do not look alike, "but at least there was the black hair" if you know what I mean.

-------------

mermaid said:
"have you been thinking WHY did she apologise after 1,5 year?
Is it possible that somebody of her team (manager, asisstant, whoever) DOES read our comments here?"

I hardly think so. She answerred a question from a fan about the Greece show in her blog and if I remember correctly he did not even ask her "why did you say that" but more a general question about the festival as such.

If the management wanted her to do a statement to set things straight they would arrange an interview or a press release. And by the way, she already did that together with Tuomas in a video interview, shortly after Tuomas apologised in the one interview.

Some people may find the apology to be too little too late but at least she DID say sorry, for the second time already. Saying something stupid is one thing but not apologising is another and she DID, she could have also swept it under the carpet and never mention it.

If she did not apologise, people would still moan. Now she did again and it is not good either. It does not matter what she does, for some people on this board (I don't mean you specifially mermaid, more generally) it is never good enough, they do not care about facts, it is more like a sport to bash her.

(no critiscm, just observation)

:-)

Empathica wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:48
@Kiri

"I guess that's because of the good impression she has on herself"

Of course she does,dear...Remember,she did "a hell of a job" in NW,she is "such an inspiration of young girls"...

And don't get me started on how she sees her body.

I don't have a problem with curvy women,i have an hourglass figure myself...
But i DO HAVE a problem when women can't understand how they look in some outfits,that are actually designed solely for models.
The fact that she fits the size doesn't mean that she looks good in them.

We knew that her personal assistant and manager and life coach and whatever are paid to tell her how gorgeous and humble and perfect and talented she is...
But we didn't know that she paid her mirror too.

Legeon wrote on 14.09.2009 at 14:01
"Some people may find the apology to be too little too late but at least she DID say sorry, for the second time already. Saying something stupid is one thing but not apologising is another and she DID, she could have also swept it under the carpet and never mention it. "

It is indeed too late and it is not real apology even, just some common "sorry" remark. Ok, let's give her a medal for being so mature to finally come up with something after so long, lol lol. Actually that won't change anything, cause she already showed people that being only a year in the band (at the time of Greek case she was only a year in NW I think) she already allowed herself to behave like some puffed up superstar and talk whatever crap she feels or has on her mind, without thinking and without caring for fans. That's by the way the so-called diva attitude. It tells a lot about the person and if she was like this already then, what will become of her in 5 years? (if she stays in NW that long, of course). Not a pretty picture.

Kiri, they didn't put this on the site, because it would have been really embarrassing for them to put it after 4 months since tickets went on sale, cause in 2005 all tickets were sold out in 45 minutes and this time they were sold in like 4 months, lol

Xena wrote on 14.09.2009 at 14:37
Mermaid: "Do you have any other impossible wish I anyway am not going to fullfil for you?"

Let's go outside, in the sunshine. I know you want to but you can't say yes.

LOL

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 14:38
Phantom said:

"Let's go outside, in the sunshine. I know you want to but you can't say yes. "
______________________________
Well, what to start with?
OK? so no sunshine outside in this country. Then: no intention go there - the weather is just miserable, thank you.

And what is it you think I want this time?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 14:49
@Xena

Excellent points.

"she already allowed herself to behave like some puffed up superstar and talk whatever crap she feels or has on her mind, without thinking and without caring for fans. That's by the way the so-called diva attitude."

I would like to add here something.
Anette said this and nothing really big happened.Greek fans were the only ones that were upset,rest of the NW fans just by-passed it like nothing important.
One of them actually was stupid enough to say "then Greece should organize better shows".
Yes,this is true.

Now,Tarja supposedly said that she didn't want to play in USA because of small venues and fees(and i say supposedly,because Tuomas and the rest of the band said that,we don't know if it's true) and she instantly was a "diva",a spoiled greedy bitch and other things like that.

Let me say this again.
Anette says IN PUBLIC that no band should play here,nothing bad happens.
Tarja IS SUPPOSED to have said that she didn't like small US venues,she is a diva.

@Empathica

Why don't we make her a saint then?Why not give her a freaking medal!
She had no intention to apologize.She had HUNDREDS of chances to do so.
Tuomas apologized for her.
She only apologized because a fan asked her about the incident.So,she HAD to say something.
And some "i'm sorry" doesn't make a big difference.

Remember that,when NW published the letter,nothing saved Tarja.

Legeon wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:07
Mermaid: "Well, what to start with?
OK? so no sunshine outside in this country. Then: no intention go there - the weather is just miserable, thank you.

And what is it you think I want this time?"

Oh c'mon, I hoped you got the reference this time.
You didn't :P

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:09
*hint *hint that's a famous song

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:11
@Legeon
"But i DO HAVE a problem when women can't understand how they look in some outfits,that are actually designed solely for models.
The fact that she fits the size doesn't mean that she looks good in them."

I agree with you. I'm not a "top model" myself, but I do know what to wear and what to wear not!

"And don't get me started on how she sees her body. "
:D

Kiri wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:16
TheTongue said: "my mum will buy one 107 tomorrow..."

It's small but great car. :-)

TheSeer said: "It's Wrathchild."
mermaid said: "? deadly attractive, or what? "

No. The one who started to host exclusively on Tarja's articles.

"yes, it is openly sexual, because GUN - altough made from glass mainly, looks a bit like a real thing - though on a Japanese side of a scale (having like 2 cm of diameter."

LOL!!!

Phantom said: "I'm doing like Princess on her blog. This is my song of the day : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNFwQmZvnuw
I dedicate it to The Seer :D"

Sorry Phantom but YouTube says "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions." :-(

TheSeer wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:25
@TheSeer : search it on youtube, it's Go West from Pet Shop Boys (the original is from Village People) .

Or try here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfGTm_viXPs&feature=channel

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:49
Phantom said:

"*hint *hint that's a famous song "
____________________________
drunk so early, Phantom?

Seer,

Phantom dedicated to you a song "Go West". No idea why are you supposed to go west... sorry.

How did you like this piece of poetry?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:52
Mermaid: "Seer, Phantom dedicated to you a song "Go West". No idea why are you supposed to go west... sorry.

How did you like this piece of poetry?"

Ahah , I thought you knew everything Mermaid ;) .
This song is quite controversial.

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:01
Mermaid: "drunk so early, Phantom? "

Yeah maybe , never heard of Outside from George Michael?

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:02
Phantom said:

"Yeah maybe , never heard of Outside from George Michael? "
_________________________
well, I have heard about George Michael. I believe that he has - as any other person his inside and outside, top and bottom, left and right side etc...

Anything special about that, Phantom?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:28
Mermaid, when you'll grow some sense of humour you'll get it.
Actually I ovverrated you, I thought you were smarter.

MFF Staff: Ok should we all just try to stick with the topic? Which was Nightwish. These are conversations to be done at the forum.

Tero
MFF

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:37
Phantom said: "@TheSeer : search it on youtube, it's Go West from Pet Shop Boys (the original is from Village People) . Or try here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfGTm_viXPs&feature=channel"

The other link worked. It's very nice song. And it's dedicated to me? Thank you.

Maybe Princess is going to surprise us all with some break-through hit like Go West? :-D

mermaid said: "Phantom dedicated to you a song "Go West". No idea why are you supposed to go west... sorry."

I don't know it either. But after going to Mongolia by train last year accross the whole Siberia (and that's EAST for those who don't know it) I could go west next time. For a difference. ;-)

TheSeer wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:39
"Go West" in English also means "to die". The same as "to kick the bucket". Phantom wants your death, The Seer :(

Back on topic? I feel really sorry for Tuomas, Anette spent only two years with him and his songwriting and she already decided to find another songwriter not to feel bored :(. Probably Tuomas was a big disappointment for her.

The Riddler wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:56
@ Legeon and Xena: hush hush no need to get so excited, I was only adding my thoughts here, no need to get the knives out, haha

and two additions to your comments:

"Remember that,when NW published the letter,nothing saved Tarja."
Hmmmmmmm .... ooooooo-k .. and that has exactly WHAT to do with the issue at hand? It's not Anette Olzon who wrote that letter as much as you would probably like that. :-)

"Kiri, they didn't put this on the site, because it would have been really embarrassing for them to put it after 4 months since tickets went on sale, cause in 2005 all tickets were sold out in 45 minutes and this time they were sold in like 4 months, lol "

What a rubbish remark, I am sorry. Do you really think they care when the show sells out and then they go "oh noes, it is been four months, we cannot put it on NOW ... it's embarrassing" :-) Seriously!

For starters, the show did not sell out in 45 minutes, but in 3 hours, click here (the official "appetizer from the Nightwish website):

http://www.musicbay.se/buy/index.asp?movie_id=1333&company_id=39

Anyway, 3 hours, 1 hour, 45 minutes, tomatoe-tomato.
You all seem to forget the most important point why it was sold out so quickly: the EOEA show was announced that it would be put on DVD and that appeals to a lot of people ("hey look mam - I am on telly"). Same happened to Within Tempation's "Black Symphony" concert. Their concerts usually don't sell out that quickly or at all but this was was done in a matter of hours.

It was the pure vanity of Nightwish fans that the show was sold out s quickly.

Empathica wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:01
@TheRiddler, Seer, Mermaid : ppft..you really don't know what Go West is about? This younger generation.. :P

It's one of the most popular "gay" songs, it refers to gay people "colonising" San Francisco in the 70s, like a sort of "promised land" . That's why "go west" .
In addition , with their video, Pet Shop Boys gave a political innuendo to the song.

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:14
Riddelr said:

"Probably Tuomas was a big disappointment for her. "
__________________________
well, he did not work for Madonna, for Celine Dion, for Jeassica Simpson, for ANYBODY really famous,
does not have big house
and is not so extraordinery talented and funny as the new guy... (did you read the previous artice?)
so, naturally he did dissapoint her.

Did I put that comment about how I explained anytime I found me a new boyfriend to all previous ones
in which they would better improve?
So,So.

Let us hope that that guy Holopainen will learn finally something..

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:15
@empathica

"Hmmmmmmm .... ooooooo-k .. and that has exactly WHAT to do with the issue at hand? It's not Anette Olzon who wrote that letter as much as you would probably like that. :-) "

I'm sorry,but you've turned yourself into another Olzon-holic who thinks that WHATEVER we say HAS to be linked to a accusation for Anette or that we hate her just because she's the NW singer and other crap like that.

Actually what i said was an accusation FOR THE NW FANS.
I thought it was very easy for someone to understand,but NW fan never stop to surprise me.

I am not THAT stupid to accuse Anette for what Tuomas & Co did.
It was an accusation for the stupid Anette followers that were eager to think Tarja as a diva,but found nothing wrong in Anette denigrating a country.

I'm sorry,the next time i'll use smaller words,in case someone needs extra education to get my point.

ps.But i agree you on the fact that the show in 2005 was sold out in minutes because it was announced that it will be recorded...But certainly NOT because these kids wanted to be on camera.Jesus,that was a REALLY stupid thought!
There were 14.000 people in there,so they had almost zero chances to appear on the DVD.
They wanted to go because when a show is to be recorded,everyone expects it to be one hell of a show.
And in this case,that's what happened.
Pyros,large stage,huge screens...
And a very good performance.

Legeon wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:18
what is Pet Shop Boys?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:20
"Hmmmmmmm .... ooooooo-k .. and that has exactly WHAT to do with the issue at hand? It's not Anette Olzon who wrote that letter as much as you would probably like that. :-) "

It has to do with the people 's attitude towards some crap in action done by Olzon and some crap in question done by Tarja.

"For starters, the show did not sell out in 45 minutes, but in 3 hours, click here (the official "appetizer from the Nightwish website):
http://www.musicbay.se/buy/index.asp?movie_id=1333&company_id=39
Anyway, 3 hours, 1 hour, 45 minutes, tomatoe-tomato. "

Poor girl, read NW book better and also use some good sites like roadrunner: http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=42296
"All 11,000 tickets for NIGHTWISH's special October 21, 2005 concert at the Hartwall Arena in Helsinki were sold out in less than an hour after they went on sale in July."

Z. wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:27
Phantom, Seer, Riddler, Empathica, James, Aleksei, Legeon, everyone

http://metalfromfinland.forumakers.com/general-discussion-f11/silver-waters-t60.htm

See you there.

As for you, Phantom, if I would be a GAY, I will maybe know... and care. So, do not tell me, tell Seer.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 18:05
Phantom said: "@TheRiddler, Seer, Mermaid : ppft..you really don't know what Go West is about? This younger generation.. :P

It's one of the most popular "gay" songs, it refers to gay people "colonising" San Francisco in the 70s, like a sort of "promised land" . That's why "go west" .
In addition , with their video, Pet Shop Boys gave a political innuendo to the song."

Txh for the info, I didn't know that. Now I like the song even more. I'm going to put it on repeat the whole day. I'm down today, this song is going to mend that. :-)

TheSeer wrote on 14.09.2009 at 18:37
"You all seem to forget the most important point why it was sold out so quickly: the EOEA show was announced that it would be put on DVD and that appeals to a lot of people ("hey look mam - I am on telly"). Same happened to Within Tempation's "Black Symphony" concert. Their concerts usually don't sell out that quickly or at all but this was was done in a matter of hours. "

The fact that it was going to be recorded influenced only in the way Legeon said-they expected it to be a hell out of show, real great and so. Not because they thought they were going to be filmed in person. And in WT's case also, but WT is also number 1 band in their country, they sell out shows there quite fast without announcing any recording of it and BS gig was going to have real orchestra, chorus, guest artists, great effects so it would have been sold out so fast without any filming obviously. But the funny thing that September gig of NW is surely also will feature effects, pyro, huge scene, Apocalyptica as warm up, but still nobody rushed so fast to buy those tickets ;))) Period.

Lyset wrote on 14.09.2009 at 18:37
@ Phantom
"Thanks sweetie, but I'm not interested in how many orgasms mommy boy Ravisk has per night. I'm not gay and, above all, I'm not a pedo XD."

LOLS probably you can't even last on the sack definitely, oh well what to do I'm a Satyromaniac and proud of it!

Ravisk wrote on 14.09.2009 at 19:50
@ Legeon:

Please calm yourself, you will give yourself a heart attack. Sometimes when I read your rants I wonder if you actually suffer from high blood pressure after spending your time here, it is not good for you to get so worked up over a band. This is just a little forum to exchange opinions.

And no, I am neither an "Olzon-holic" as you said nor do I think Tarja Turunen is a diva.

What you need to remember is that your own opinion is not the truth and you should stop proclaiming it as such or act on it like that. Neither is my opinion nor anyone elses. Just because we differ in opinions does not mean you are a "Tarja-taliban" or me an "Olzon-holic" LOL who comes up with these titles anyway?

"It was an accusation for the stupid Anette followers that were eager to think Tarja as a diva, but found nothing wrong in Anette denigrating a country."

I understand that some Greek people took offense in what she said last year(!) but not everyone who did not make a big deal out of it is automatically stupid. Like I said before I never agreed with what she said (in case that remark was directed in my direction since you seem to think I am one "stupid Anette follower"). I actually thought it was a stupid and careless remark yet I don't see the big deal in it, so many people say so many things. I do believe however that you really should get over that one little sentence she once said, for your own mental sake. And no, I am NOT telling you to get a life, I am simply telling you to get some perspective. One little sentence, that is all that it was.

"I'm sorry,the next time i'll use smaller words,in case someone needs extra education to get my point."

I understand you are frustrated because I do not share your opinion, but believe me I do not need "extra education" - neither you nor me is a native English speaker so misunderstandings are bound to happen sometimes.

@ Z. regarding reading the Nightwish book: Hm-mmm yes let me read it again, because that book is of course --->THE<--- source of truth! :-)

Empathica wrote on 14.09.2009 at 19:50
Some of you people are so stupid and very childish when you are talking about how quickly some bands gonna sell out gigs.There are so many things what effects to ticket selling and you don't know even half of them.The fact in Nightwish case is that almost every gig during this 2 years period was sold out and the DDP album is the best selling album so far so you better start to understand what's going on.I know people from South and North America who are coming to the Hartwall Arena concert.
AGAIN...if some people don't like NW there are still people who like the band and that's the fact what you can't change...PERIOD!

Jimmie wrote on 14.09.2009 at 20:17
@Empathica

Your comment showed not only that you understood NOTHING of what i said,but you also lectured me on the things you didn't get...

Ok,let's start.This will take long.

"Please calm yourself, you will give yourself a heart attack. Sometimes when I read your rants I wonder if you actually suffer from high blood pressure"

No,thank you,i'm perfectly fine.The fact that i don't use words like "sweetheart" and i talk normally doesn't make me angry.
What makes me angry though,is people misunderstanding my words and then lecture me on that.
Oh,and if i make you suffer from blood pressure,there are many solutions about that.Pills,vitamins,good food in general...But the most simple is:don't read what i write,if your health is in such danger.
(that was ironic,for the ones that didn't get it).

"your own opinion is not the truth and you should stop proclaiming it as such or act on it like that"

Where did i proclaim my opinion to be the truth?I want specific examples.
"act like that"
I actually said what i think,and never acted like it is the truth.Now,if defending my opinion makes me look like i believe my opinion alone is the truth,fine by me.

"I understand that some Greek people took offense in what she said last year(!)"

We were offended LAST YEAR,when it actually happened.The fact that YOU saw it now doesn't mean that WE had been waiting a year and a half to pass in order to get offended.

"I do believe however that you really should get over that one little sentence she once said, for your own mental sake."

It wasn't "one little sentence".
She told that when the interviewer asked if she ever felt like doing something "rocky",and she said:
"I actually want to smash a TV in Greece.No band should play in Greece,we got so fucked over".
Can't you see the difference?
And my mental sake is more than perfectly fine.But i believe that this argument is one of the many that people use when they run out of real ones:the fact that we remember something not so convenient makes us mentally unstable.

"I understand you are frustrated because I do not share your opinion, but believe me I do not need "extra education""

I didn't say that because you have a different opinion.Where THE HELL did you see that?
I said that because you failed to understand that i accused NW fans,not Anette.
Honestly now,read comments a little more carefully.

Legeon wrote on 14.09.2009 at 21:30
Emphatica said: "Please calm yourself, you will give yourself a heart attack. Sometimes when I read your rants I wonder if you actually suffer from high blood pressure after spending your time here, it is not good for you to get so worked up over a band. This is just a little forum to exchange opinions."

Greek people are hot tempered. Once I travelled by train from Thessaloniki to Athens and I thought everybody was quarelling with each others while they were only normally talking. :-)

Oh and please refer to the Maestro & Diva & Mafioso Book as The Book. Both capital T and B. Thank you. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 14.09.2009 at 21:57
The results of the Metalhead.ro awards for the "Best Rock Album Of All Times" are as follows (Tarja sings on four albums from the top 5)!

1. Disgorge - Parallels to Infinite Torture
2. Nightwish - Once
3. Tarja - My Winter Storm
4. Nightwish - Century Child
5. Nightwish - Wishmaster
=====================================

No Dark Fashion Play!!! *jumps up and down out of sheer glee*

TheSeer wrote on 14.09.2009 at 22:10
"fact in Nightwish case is that almost every gig during this 2 years period was sold out"

The russian gig was miles far from being sold out, and they didn't play in that country for six years as it turned out, and tickets were on sale since March :) And hardly it is the only gig that wasn't sold out.

"I know people from South and North America who are coming to the Hartwall Arena concert."

I knew people from those countries and even Australia who went to 2005 gig. So what.

"yet I don't see the big deal in it, so many people say so many things. I do believe however that you really should get over that one little sentence she once said, for your own mental sake."

You see Legeon how kindly the New NW fan points out that stupid insult from Olzon towards your country and fans in that country is not a very big deal, not important, cause Anette who is such a sweetheart, was just saying some things with her brains shut. You should get over it, spit on your pride and dignity -because New NW fan tells you that and because whatever Anette does, she shouldn't be blamed at all or held responsible. After all she is so down-to-earth. And thus the New NW fan will give you her remarks about how you should form and express her opinion. Maybe she like Anette thinks Greeks should swallow anything. Isn't that sweet?

Siren wrote on 14.09.2009 at 22:26
@Siren

Yes,very sweet indeed...

But i laughed REALLY hard on the "mental sake" comment...

It seems that NW fans believe that we Greeks have actually destroyed our emotional states and our lives are ruined,and that because we think ALL DAY LONG for a year and a half now what an amateur singer said.

(as i said to CanuckFan,i am frustrated because they gave a horrible show,i paid for it AND they denigrated us)

It also seems that these people believe that,because we discuss it,our whole existence is dedicated to this thought.

Legeon wrote on 14.09.2009 at 23:26
@TheSeer I'm glad you liked the song. That's an example of good pop music ;)

Phantom wrote on 15.09.2009 at 00:04
@Siren

...They still have fans and people who enjoy their music SO WHAT!...WHAT IS YOUR POINT?...WHAT DO YOU WANT PROVE?...Think first...your opinion is only a fly in the ocean because there are millions of other opinions too!

Jimmie wrote on 15.09.2009 at 04:37
@ TheSeer

The results of the Metalhead.ro awards for the "Best Rock Album Of All Times" are as follows (Tarja sings on four albums from the top 5)!

1. Disgorge - Parallels to Infinite Torture
2. Nightwish - Once
3. Tarja - My Winter Storm
4. Nightwish - Century Child
5. Nightwish - Wishmaster
=====================================

XDDD

Is this a real list Seer? If it is, this is the biggest joke of a "best rock albums" list I've EVER seen. XD

I mean, don't get me wrong, I like those NW albums, but that is REALLY biased beyond words. Plus, those aren't "rock" albums, they're either power or symphonic metal. If Nightwish were to be on that list, it would be "Oceanborn". That is their best work and is indeed a classic metal album. But come on! 3 NW albums and MWS? Give me a break!!

I mean we are talking about ALL time. I guess 50 some years of rock n' roll wasn't good enough for this list eh? XD And why Disgorge of all bands? They are rather bad death metal if you want me opinion! XD

Worst list ever! I really hope that is made up because that is just laughable! X'D

James wrote on 15.09.2009 at 09:12
Jimmie, the point is there is nothing special that some people are going from somewhere to see NW in September, it has been already done before. And do not worry so much, I perfectly know that there are still people who like NW a lot, cause for them NW is like religion and they are so deep in fanatism that they do not care for quality really, all that matters is that NW is their Gods and they'll eat up anything. Big wow. And I do think, unlike New NW fans who surprisingly are mainly teenagers and even emos (ewww) who listen to mainstream stuff or think Evanescence to be true metal :)

Siren wrote on 15.09.2009 at 09:21
James, do not fall apart, man, but the list is true. Check the whole list here:

http://www.metalhead.ro/concurs/Cel_mai_bun_album_rock_din_toate_timpurile-t1-gid110463-l1-p1.html

Such votings are for fans, mate, it is just popularity contest, not the real "who is the best contest" :)

The Riddler wrote on 15.09.2009 at 09:43
RockMan said: "...They still have fans and people who enjoy their music SO WHAT!..."

Nobody here denies it. But they also have a lot of people who are disappointed with them or even hate them. That is also big achievement.

James said: "Is this a real list Seer? If it is, this is the biggest joke of a "best rock albums" list I've EVER seen. XD"

I know it's the greatest joke, what kind of people visit that site!? It's like only people from Nightwish, Tarja and Disgorge forum voted. :-D And the very poll is inappropriate.

But still NO Dark Fashion Play! :-D

"I mean we are talking about ALL time. I guess 50 some years of rock n' roll wasn't good enough for this list eh? XD And why Disgorge of all bands? They are rather bad death metal if you want me opinion! XD "

Probably someone posted the link on their forum. I wonder how many people voted at all? 37? And the website is only in Romanian. They should make the next poll "The Best Musical Album of All Times and of All Genres". Maybe Disgorge is going to win again. :-)

But still, NO Dark Pop Play!!! :-D

TheSeer wrote on 15.09.2009 at 11:36
@ Legeon: oh dear, I must admit I was only pulling your leg because you always react so full of fire. It is fun to see you out of your shell sometimes but I think this time I went too far since you nearly got angry. Sorry, was just me having fun around here, I will leave you alone for while now.

@ TheSeer: LOL, sorry for refering to The Book (notice capital letters, :P) merely as "the book" and also LOL @ the "Dark Fashion Play" remark. I do not always agree with what you say but I really like your sort of humour!

I like playing with words that way and I have to admit to my own shame that when I heard "The Siren" for the first I was sure Marco Hietala sung "who tied my ass to the wheel" ...

Empathica wrote on 15.09.2009 at 14:52
@Siren

I really don't worry nothing so don't be afraid about that but still you don't have any rights to judge other people if they have other taste than you or do you think that your taste is "special"...don't be childish.
I'm not fanatic NW fan and I'm not a teenager...far from that...so WRONG AGAIN!You really don't know what kind of people are old and new fans because you can't know every individual person from that group... so WRONG AGAIN!
If that concert is not special to you ("...has been already done before...") I bet it's special to fans who will go to that concert and people who enjoy their music...so WRONG AGAIN!
...so you "professor of all music" can you tell me what's the broblem to you about this case because you did not answer to my guestion...WHAT IS YOUR POINT?WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PROWE?

Jimmie wrote on 15.09.2009 at 15:14
Emphatica said: "@ TheSeer: LOL, sorry for refering to The Book (notice capital letters, :P) merely as "the book" and also LOL @ the "Dark Fashion Play" remark. I do not always agree with what you say but I really like your sort of humour!"

Thank you Emphatica. I do not always agree with what you say but I really appreciate how reasonable and patient with people you are. Doesn't matter if that's "fun for you". Even better. ;-)

TheSeer wrote on 15.09.2009 at 15:35
RockMan said: "I'm not fanatic NW fan and I'm not a teenager..."

I'm afraid to think what your posts would look like if you were both. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 15.09.2009 at 15:38
"but still you don't have any rights to judge other people if they have other taste than you or do you think that your taste is "special"...don't be childish."

Wow, you yourself judge others and think you have right to lecture them how and what to think or tell and then you say that I or anybody esle don't have rights, probalby because you yourself think your taste is "special"! Look in the mirror, lol

"I'm not fanatic NW fan and I'm not a teenager...far from that...so WRONG AGAIN!You really don't know what kind of people are old and new fans because you can't know every individual person from that group... so WRONG AGAIN! "

Actually you behave like a typical NW fan with those lectures here . And I met enough New NW fans in life and in the net to draw a picture of them. If you in particular are 40, it doesn't mean that New NW fans are all very old or mature. Cause, surprise, they in general are not.

"If that concert is not special to you ("...has been already done before...") I bet it's special to fans who will go to that concert and people who enjoy their music...so WRONG AGAIN!"

So what? We were talking about people going to concerts from other countries and you tried to prove that cause some people are going from other countries to September gig it makes it so special, and I relpied that it is not special case when people come to concerts from other countries, it has already been with 2005 gig (and not only with that gig actually, with lots of gigs). There is nothing special in that.

"...so you "professor of all music" can you tell me what's the broblem to you about this case because you did not answer to my guestion...WHAT IS YOUR POINT?WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PROWE?"

I answered actually, read better. And do not get hysterical, ok, with posting in big letters :) You'll have a swoon from that.

Siren wrote on 15.09.2009 at 16:08
The Seer,
Jimmie is just another New NW fanboy who tries to prove that New NW are sacred )) Doesn't he remind you of certain person?

*** wrote on 15.09.2009 at 16:21
Poor Legeon, now you see that New NW fans are as shallow-hearted as their fav Princess. They like to talk crap, but do it without thinking. They are too "perfect" for that.

*** wrote on 15.09.2009 at 16:45
Of course.New NW fans can talk crap about Tarja and her husband,about ANY other female metal singer that is actually better than their Princess(Floor,Liv,Lori etc),about Tarja fans and of course,about any artist or band that their maestro calls "crap".

But no one,NO ONE,can talk crap about Anette.

In one year of being "cute" and "sweet",and one year of ignoring them,Anette is the sweetest person in the whole freaking universe and so humble and simple,and of course she's justified if she ignores them or says bad things about people,artists or countries.
In 9 years in NW being cute and sweet and NO year of ignoring fans or talking bad about countries,Tarja is a greedy spoiled Diva who doesn't worth standing in the shadow of Tuomas.
And all that because HE said that she is a diva.

Yes,i suppose the New NW fans are the most democratic(it is shown in their forum) and most fair people in the whole planet.
Crusaders in their mission of protecting their princess from "evil and jealous" people,like Anette called the people that don't like her.

To be honest,Nw fan base these days isn't much different from Jonas Brothers fan base.

Legeon wrote on 15.09.2009 at 17:02
@ The Riddler

I figured it would be only popularity. :p Don't worry, I not phased by that at all. I just think it's hilarious that Disgorge of above all of those amazing albums. But with NW on the list, WHERE'S OCEANBORN?!?! XD Oh well, it's just a stupid anyways..

James wrote on 15.09.2009 at 17:21
shut up all you haters, Anette got new naughty boots and told some words for Patrick.....

TT wrote on 15.09.2009 at 20:19
James, ok man, I'm glad everything is alright. Yes, that's hilarious, I mean such votings. The only good thing about them is, apart from being funny, that you can see whose fans are most devoted and active ones perhaps :)

Legeon, you know what arguments I've heard from new NW fans about why evil Diva is so bad and turns out to be poor singer while Princess is cute and best female metal singer ever?
I have a cute collection of such comments, for example, that "Anette sings better because she has bigger boobs!" lol.
Frankly speaking I never noticed her boobs to be big, not to mention I didn't notice she was singing with them, unless she hides them along with her taste in clothes ;) Not to mention that in some British magazine's review about NW concert I read that her "voice is as flat as her chest" or smth like that :) Still imagine how Pamela Anderson must be singing, then.

Also "Anette [suddenly] turns out to have 5 octaves in her voice and really can sing opera, only she doesn't really want to make other people jealous!"
Big bad Diva actually said once that she knows full well that she is not real opera singer, doesn't call herself that and respects real opera singers, although she can more or less sing some opera arias or classical music. But Princess turned out to be opera singer in closet! And an excellent one! :)
Well, one more comment to cheer you up, Legeon.
?Anette's voice is so unique and diverse that she can sing like tenor!? My oh my, she can try to replace Marco in the future-who knows maybe she will develop real baritone! :)

BTW, did Princess really called herself "best female metal singer"? Where it was? I should know that day to celebrate it in the future ;)

Stay tuned for more!

The Riddler wrote on 15.09.2009 at 20:40
TT, dude, you are right, in honour of her news boobs and specially since she feels the need to say something in public about some person she never met and show how sweet she is!!!!!! Shhhhhhh, all.

The Riddler wrote on 15.09.2009 at 20:42
James: Ehm, I trusted that everyone would recognise my profoundly non-serious intention in saying that Sami is the soul of NW, etc. Correlation does not prove causation, this is a prime example, and even though his departure marks the change from classical-inspired operatic power metal to symphonic metal that is more soundtrack influenced and pop-oriented, Sami is the LAST person to have anything to do with that. Sami was about as interested in NW as Anette is now lol, meaning he cared even less than Marco, and he didn't even really feign interest. It was, ultimately, all Tuomas's choice.

There is a connection between Sami's firing and the change in style, but it is obviously different from what I proposed. Jokingly.

James: By the way, neither Oceanborn nor DPP were even on the list of albums to vote for to begin with.

Seems that Anette is finally getting cold feet and realising that Greek fans are potential customers to buy her solo album, too. You've seen how protective Greeks are of their country. :-p

This is what happens if you keep ignoring criticism - you WILL feel the consequences, eventually.

I'm sure the band members are all aware of the negative reactions to the Moscow concert and don't feel very sure.

Hmm, I've been called "metal professor" too, interesting. Somehow only Nighwish's true believers come up with that "insult".

TheRiddler: There's a similar argument going on in the comment section of a YouTube video of Sarah Brightman's Fleurs du Mal I've been told ... someone made a critical remark about Sarah's voice and bashed like hell for it and now Sarah fans are coming up with arguments such as Sarah's fame and collaborations trying to prove that she is a far better singer than Tarja. XD

So, everyone who does not come up with bullshit arguments to support their position is a "professor of XY"?. Whow.

Someone should mention the boob argument there. :-p

Almagest wrote on 15.09.2009 at 23:06
Oops, I forgot a word, I meant to say: GOT bashed for it like hell.

Almagest wrote on 15.09.2009 at 23:09
@The Riddler

Yes,i've read MANY of those incredibly stupid comments...
You know,there's a video too,showing that Anette has not the same,but BIGGER range than Tarja...
Of course this guy is mostly using ALBUM tracks to prove this...
But even when he uses live recordings,he proves himself wrong because Anette CAN'T sing live the same way these songs are on an album.Not at all.

Too bad there's no link to this video,because that user removed it.He maybe realized its stupidity.

But i've heard better too.That Anette is a perfect METAL singer...And i asked how can pink clothes be metal,and i got the response:if you can't see that they are metal,you know nothing on the subject.

Yeah right...

They also state that Tarja was never metal with her yellow outfits(for God's sake,she only had TWO) but they didn't notice that Anette once wore on stage a GOLDEN dress with a leopard belt :P
And it gets better from here...That Anette's voice is more suitable for metal,while tarja's isn't...
Oh,and since you mentioned chest,i must say that i recently read somewhere on YouTube that Tarja's contribution to NW's success was her nice breasts.

Yeah right,that's why her most famous outfit(the red Nemo dress) has a neckline up to her chin..

BTW,Anette's voice is as good as her body.
(i'm only saying this because HER FANS decided to say that she sings well because of her breasts...Her own fans now destroy her,with their stupidity...

ps.I also read a recent review of a NW show...The editor was saying "her vocal skills were more thin than her thighs"
(it was after the show where Anette was wearing her wings,a mini dress and her over-knee boots).

Actually every time i see her with boots like these(like the black ones she posted yesterday) i have the urge to ask her "how much for the whole night?".

Legeon wrote on 15.09.2009 at 23:14
These kids must be really uneducated too...A tenor?

I knew that she screams too high,not that she's too low...
Or that she's a man...

Even women with such range are called differently...Not tenors!!!

It's like saying that Uma Thurman is an actor :P

Legeon wrote on 15.09.2009 at 23:16
"I'm sure the band members are all aware of the negative reactions to the Moscow concert and don't feel very sure. "

Almagest, dude, they must be aware of the fact that the show wasn't sold out ;). But I know that some Russian Anette's fans (well, there are few there as well, what's you gonna do) wrote to her on her blog some pinky stuff so now Fatty Nettie thinks she totally rocked in Moscow and everybody adored her- because of few fan's comments :) Although I also found out through my friends who are in contact with Russian metal fans that not nice reviews about Russian gig continue to pop up, without any compliments to Princess.
Poor Princess. She lives in a made up world, sees only what she wants to, I'm afraid.

The Riddler wrote on 16.09.2009 at 00:06
Riddlet wrote:

"not nice reviews about Russian gig continue to pop up, without any compliments to Princess. "
________________________
Riddler, Aleksei,

any sorce for this? Maybe we could give some help to Tero here, so he will have a NEW NW news
and people in Finland will have something else to read about NW gig in Moscow and will not have to stick with Princess´talk about how she gave a great show and how she rocked there?

mermaid wrote on 16.09.2009 at 10:09
"how can pink clothes be metal,and i got the response:if you can't see that they are metal,you know nothing on the subject."

Phew, well thank God Tarja Turunen never wore pink:

http://media.photobucket.com/image/tarja%20turunen/stargazeress/Tarja%20Turunen/TT1-3.jpg?o=224

:-)

Just kidding. Judging a singer's "metalness" by his or her clothes is indeed total rubbish.

By the way people saying that Tarja Turunen is an opera singer are just as bad as people saying that Anette Olzon sings classical. Just like you (Legeon) pointed out, Tarja Turunen never claimed that herself (she only said she felt flattered when people called her "opera singer Tarja Turunen") and no way has Anette Olzon the same range as Tarja Turunen.

Tuomas Holopainen mentioned that Anette Olzon can nearly reach the same tones as Tarja Turunen, I am not a singer myself so I cannot tell but I hardly doubt that.

Either way, comparing the two singing styles is impossible because they are totally different. Tarja Turunen is a trained classical singer and Anette Olzon's vocals are those of a rock singer. Both are not metal.

I guess the stupid arguments from both sides of the fan-camps are just a weak attempt to win an argument that cannot be won by definition. There are no winners here, just different types of taste as to what voices matches the music and lyrics of Nightwish better.

Aaah, there you go, my view of the Nightwish world this morning.

Empathica wrote on 16.09.2009 at 10:30
"Phew, well thank God Tarja Turunen never wore pink"

That's not pink, that's fuchsia colour :) Besides it is not some funny short skirt or short dress, if to talk about model of dress.

"Judging a singer's "metalness" by his or her clothes is indeed total rubbish."

But if singer has a totally bad taste in clothes, mix of pop-emo-whatever, not adequate and ridiculous, it is definately stupid, specially if that singer claims herself to be metal!

"By the way people saying that Tarja Turunen is an opera singer are just as bad as people saying that Anette Olzon sings classical. "

Still Turunen can sing stuff from opera and classical music ,and she does, and no way Anette can do that.

"Tuomas Holopainen mentioned that Anette Olzon can nearly reach the same tones "

"Nearly" doesn't count, it is like you can't be nearly pregnant, lol And Tuomas is known to talk some reall stupid things at times.

"Anette Olzon's vocals are those of a rock singer"

LOL, they are those of pop singer, or pop-rock singer at best, but they are not of rock singer. If you want real female rock voice, that's Doro Pesh, in comparison with her Olzon is just some poppy girl from school chorus.

"just different types of taste as to what voices matches the music and lyrics of Nightwish better. "

There are good tastes and bad tastes :) Olzon fits only poppy songs like Amaranth or pop-rock songs like FTHIOH :) With those simple or whinny, not really dramatic lyrics.

Iris wrote on 16.09.2009 at 11:13
Emphatica said: "Phew, well thank God Tarja Turunen never wore pink:
http://media.photobucket.com/image/tarja%20turunen/stargazeress/Tarja%20Turunen/TT1-3.jpg?o=224
:-) "

LOL!!! I don't know why, but Tarja still looks metal and mysterious to me. Even in pink! :-)

"Tarja Turunen never claimed that herself [to be an opera singer]"

I know. She even claimed NOT to be one. And I used to believe her. Until I saw this:

Tarja Turunen & Raimo Sirkia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv3tVs-acdw&feature=related

"Anette Olzon's vocals are those of a rock singer."

:-/

TheSeer wrote on 16.09.2009 at 11:29
"LOL!!! I don't know why, but Tarja still looks metal and mysterious to me. Even in pink! :-)"

Honey, maybe because Diva didn't acted on stage like she was singing in karaoke bar, trying to perform striptease at the same time like Princess does :)

"Tarja Turunen & Raimo Sirkia - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv3tVs-acdw&feature=related "

yep she can sometimes put an ok or even decent performance of opera/classical stuff. Imagine Fatty Nettie trying to do that! It is like to call Maestro great live metal singer!

Princess of course likes to imagine that she has metal voice, like she used to say and call herself rock singer a lot, but these are one of her cute delusions, part of her imaginary world, after all she called her son metalist for the reason that he has long hair LOL Poor delusional woman :(

mermaid, I told you my sources, words from my friends who are in contact with Russian metal fans. I can ask them to ask those Russians to collect quotes about gig from their blogs, communities or sites, and translate them and send them here, but are you sure Tero would accept such compilation?
About Aleshka dude, Tero can put his review somewhere on the site, can't he? Also you can ask Aleshka to translate review he was talking about for MFF - will Tero post that then in news section?

The Riddler wrote on 16.09.2009 at 12:10
Iris wrote: "That's not pink, that's fuchsia colour :) Besides it is not some funny short skirt or short dress, if to talk about model of dress."

Haha cute. And very predictable :-)

The Seer wrote: "LOL!!! I don't know why, but Tarja still looks metal and mysterious to me. Even in pink! :-)"

I give you that, that is certainly true.

Either way, people, I will leave you now because I have got to pack my bag for Helsinki. I am going to have a nice long weekend in what I believe a beautiful city, which I will see extensively tomorrow and Friday and on Saturday I will go and see Nightwish and Apocalyptica live. Troy Donockley will be there (so I guess another beautiful "Finlandia" Intro) and apart from that I have always wanted to see Nightwish in their home country, because nevermind who fronts the band, I am still one of those who can enjoy their music either way, big screens or not, pyros or not, DVD or not, classical singer or not, sold out or not.

So please continue bickering about colours, pop, rock, metal and shopping in the meantime, I am actually going to have some FUN :-) hihi

Read you all next week!

Empathica wrote on 16.09.2009 at 14:36
Riddler, Empathica,

why you, guys, can not come to Forum and join us?

You have missed the opportunity to see sweet eyes of Phantom
with eyelashes that actually have the stopping power!

Not to mention all this gossiping we produce there..

Empathica,

we expect LONG review on your stay in Finland
and even LONGER one on gig!

mermaid wrote on 16.09.2009 at 15:25
"Haha cute. And very predictable :-)"

Of course it is. For a New NW fan. Like everything you say is also predictable cause as NW fan you confessed that you are so obsessed with NW you do not care who and how sings it or looks like on stage. I bet if it were George Bush Jr. as NW singer , you would still think NW to be the greatest metal band ever:) Lol, I guess for some fanatics NW is religion.

"So please continue bickering about colours, pop, rock, metal and shopping in the meantime, I am actually going to have some FUN :-) hihi"

Of course you will - seeing Olzon live without photoshop and how she tries to sing something decently live and hopping around is a great fun. :)

mermaid, I'll take The Seer's functions and tell you that Empathica's review of gig would be:
"Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I' ve seen them live in Finland, Tuomas is such a sweetie and Anette is sooooo great, cutie,sweetie,lovely, best singer ever! They all rocked, best gig ever" :))

Iris wrote on 16.09.2009 at 16:11
"Of course it is. For a New NW fan."

What is a "new" NW fan? I like Nightwish since 1999 - is that new? Must be then.

"I bet if it were George Bush Jr. as NW singer , you would still think NW to be the greatest metal band ever:)"

You ARE actually feeling alright, are you? :-)

"Of course you will - seeing Olzon live without photoshop and how she tries to sing something decently live and hopping around is a great fun. :)"

Live without photoshop? Dear me.
I have met her several times in person and must say that pictures do not do her credit at all, she does look really good and is a pleasant person to talk to. I have also seen Nightwish this year two times and yes, I liked their shows a lot. Anette Olzon has improved her singing since 2007/2008, in 2008 she sounded much more raspy and did not keep tones compared to 2009. She still is not perfect, but there is absolutely progression in her vocals.

"mermaid, I'll take The Seer's functions and tell you that Empathica's review of gig would be:
"Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I' ve seen them live in Finland, Tuomas is such a sweetie and Anette is sooooo great, cutie,sweetie,lovely, best singer ever! They all rocked, best gig ever" :))"

That just made me laugh out loud, I think you have me confused with someone else. You would be amazed how objective I can be.

Empathica wrote on 16.09.2009 at 16:54
Emphatica said: "I have met her several times in person and must say that pictures do not do her credit at all, she does look really good and is a pleasant person to talk to."

Anette has changed a lot recently. In terms of her attitude and looks. To the worse. Don't be surprised. Her singing has improved slightly though.

TheSeer wrote on 16.09.2009 at 18:39
"What is a "new" NW fan? I like Nightwish since 1999 - is that new? Must be then."

It is a person who is a fan of New Era NW with Olzon :)

"You ARE actually feeling alright, are you? :-) "

Perfectly fine, thank you, I'm not so crazy about NW as you are with readiness to enjoy it in any form, shape and colour :)

"Live without photoshop? Dear me.
I have met her several times in person and must say that pictures do not do her credit at all, she does look really good and is a pleasant person to talk to. I have also seen Nightwish this year two times and yes, I liked their shows a lot."

As you say - how predictable. I saw her too and unfortunately she is far from being really pretty in live, in contrast to promo pics, and as for pleasant person, well I know she is not so pleasent really. :)

"That just made me laugh out loud, I think you have me confused with someone else. You would be amazed how objective I can be. "

Hm, well, if to judge by what you said already I doubt that :)

Iris wrote on 16.09.2009 at 20:15
"I bet if it were George Bush Jr. as NW singer , you would still think NW to be the greatest metal band ever:)"

LOL!! That's classic! I could only imagine him in NW now, with his Texas accent and everything! XD

James wrote on 16.09.2009 at 21:42
@Siren

First...I don't judge you or others if you don't like things what I like because I don't care and it's your problem not mine!I recommend to read your writings so maybe you understand my point about this case!
Second...if you think that all people who writes opposite comments than you are "typical NW fans" then it's again your problem.Simply some people don't understand why some other people are so selfish and they don't respect anything!
...UUUHHH that end of your reply...I don't care to....SO POINTLESS!

So again you didn't answer to my questions but I guess you don't understand my point or you don't have any answer for that.You are also very funny because you pick up things (comments,stories....) from many places and then you twisted those things that way so they fit to your purposes.I know people like you and to me it's pointless to continue this argument because I have very peaceful mind about this case and I don't care to spend time with you here!
Next time read CAREFULLY what other people write here and after that read what have you wrote here (if you have any intelligence) so maybe you find very interesting things how you handle things here...!

SO BYE...THE END! (...lets see have he/she balls to end this conversation right now or still "say the last words"...lol)

Jimmie wrote on 17.09.2009 at 00:20
"I don't judge you or others if you don't like things what I like because I don't care and it's your problem not mine!I recommend to read your writings so maybe you understand my point about this case!"

Nope, you did judge, tried to say that I or others didn't have right to speak our minds while you were speaking yours freely and tried to teach us what to say and in what way. Read your writtings yourself since you seem to think of yourself as a special person with privileges. lol

"Second...if you think that all people who writes opposite comments than you are "typical NW fans""

It is not about writting opposite comments, it is mainly about how you write them and in what manner, and your manner seriously reminds of some "typical NW fans". And the thing that you continue these talks is only a proof of that ;)

" some other people are so selfish and they don't respect anything!"

Reminds a lot some blonde wannabie singer, really :)

"So again you didn't answer to my questions but I guess you don't understand my point or you don't have any answer for that.You are also very funny because you pick up things (comments,stories....) from many places and then you twisted those things that way so they fit to your purposes."

I answered to it twice in my both posts. In English, not in Chinese. Read better. And it is actually you who twist words or seem to ignore answeres, just to give another lecture to fit your purposes. Your lectures are in fact pointless and very boring. And you again got hysterical and started to express yourself with big letters. You just want to attrack attention perhaps. Poor thing, you do it in unoriginal way :)

And I'm "she" and the point about "the balls" is so immature and infantile, really, like you are still in kindergarden. If I want to reply, I'll reply.:) So I'm replying.

Siren wrote on 17.09.2009 at 01:10
The Seer, your old friend is back, but he doesn't pay attention to you, he pays attention to someone else :)
Jimmie mixed this place with NW fan site and can't understand why people here are not hailing to Maestro and Princess and tries to make people write what he wants to see, so he'd feel better. New NW fans are so entertaining.

*** wrote on 17.09.2009 at 01:14
Though I liked DPP I think that Anette turned herself into a real bitch lately. Or she was always like this, I do not know. I liked her at first a lot, but now I wish she would just leave and go to do solo career.

Helen wrote on 17.09.2009 at 10:39
LOL...I was right!... SHE didn't have "balls" to end this conversation right now!

THE END!

Jimmie wrote on 17.09.2009 at 23:45
@ Legeon

Remember you did insult Canada, didn't apologize, and I have gotten over it. It IS possible to let things go, you know! ;)

CanuckFan wrote on 18.09.2009 at 03:06
@ Empathica

Can I just take a moment to let you know that I am now an Empathica fangirl? You rock! I love your patience, your gentle use of language, your ability to remain unfazed, your assertiveness, your good nature...I could go on but I'll stop there!

Empathica, I hope you have a super time on Saturday night. I hope it's everything you want it to be. I really am interested in your review of the gig, so do please give us a run-down when you get back.

My heart will be in Helsinki on Saturday night...*sigh*....

CanuckFan wrote on 18.09.2009 at 05:44
CanuckFan, Legeon didn't make an official statement in interview in magazine about the whole country, insulting it. So you phrase is very ridiculous. Now you are not only Princess's fangirl, but also Empathica' one, cause you behave like it. How cute.

Karen wrote on 18.09.2009 at 09:50
After only two years in the band, Anette is already wanting solo album? Wow, she is disgusting really.

Neo wrote on 18.09.2009 at 10:17
Anette Olzon is "an immature mind in a granny body"© TT

I just loved that description.

AncientMuse wrote on 18.09.2009 at 11:16
@ Karen

I'm not even going to dignify what you said with an answer.

CanuckFan wrote on 18.09.2009 at 19:16
CanuckFan, of course, after you tried to put one person from some internet metal board on the same table with Olzon's stupid rude words and behaviour in official statement in interview and try to make an even sign between them as to redeem Olzon's position, surely, about what dignity could you possibly know or talk :) Hypocrisy walks hand in hand with this "new generation"of NW fans as it seems. Unless you tried to complement Legeon by comparing her with Olzon, of course :).

Karen wrote on 18.09.2009 at 22:27
You know Karen the difference between you and a bucket of shit, it's the bucket.

Ravisk wrote on 19.09.2009 at 21:29
ravisk wrote:
You know Karen the difference between you and a bucket of shit, it's the bucket.

"no harrasment towards others will ever be published"
Uh, this ISN'T harrasment?! This is constructive criticism? What isn't, then? Sorry, no offense to the team, but that seems strange to me, really...
But well, maybe it's just a different way to say "I don't have any more arguments, so I'll insult anybody who disagrees with me" anyway...

Jane wrote on 19.09.2009 at 23:51
Ravisk, you are not original, you just repeat the same words, which were told by one of Anette's fans somewhere in this thread earlier :) Probably you are also one of Anette's fans, if not the one who told it before under another name.

Jane, yes, these are the arguments they use when they have nothing to say, like "shit" joke, "get a life", or "NW rocks' :)

Karen wrote on 20.09.2009 at 01:59
@ Jane

Don't be a fuckin self righteous bitch really, all that hypocrisy. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Ravisk wrote on 20.09.2009 at 12:02
Ravisk, do not act like a jerk then, it is you who are hypocrite.

NN wrote on 20.09.2009 at 14:52
ravisk wrote:
"Don't be a fuckin self righteous bitch really, all that hypocrisy. It's like the pot calling the kettle black."

I'm sorry. This great answer convinced me I was wrong, and you're a very open-minded, clever and polite guy.

Because I said a post without ANY argument that only consisted of an insult to Karen shouldn't be posted, you say I'm self righteous and insult me, too. You could say that if I had posted an insult here before and would tell you now that you shouldn't. But as a matter of fact, I didn't post anything here yet. So this is a pointless and stupid thing to say.

@Karen: Well, a lot of Tarja-fans write stupid stuff, too, there's no denying that, I'm afraid. Still, you're right, most of these comments come from New Nightwish-fans. Kills every discussion - why do they want that? ;-)

Jane wrote on 20.09.2009 at 15:06
@Jane:
I totally agree with you. I know they do it too. I'm not happy about it also. Still all this shit jokes and short immature insults surprisingly come more from New Nightwish-fans, maybe it is their tradition, I do not know. They want it because when they have no real points with arguments to offer they think it is a great argument, that'll make them winners ;-).

Karen wrote on 20.09.2009 at 15:26
Now,people,to end this,i NEVER said anything bad about Canada.
Actually half my grandmother's family lives there for more than 50 years.

Let me remind you what happened.I usually call Anette "Olzon",and so Empathica said that i am very rude.
I answered that in the whole planet,referring to someone you don't personally know with his first name is what's rude,not calling him with his last name.
And CanuckFan said that in Canada,people call others that don't know with their first names,so i answered that then it must be a pretty rude country.

So,it wasn't heading to Canada,but to CanuckFan.
I would say the same if someone used Italy,Chile or any other country.

BUT Olzon referred SPECIFICALLY to Greece.

Now,if the rest want to start flaming wars,i couldn't care less.But then they shouldn't expect others to think that they are smart,if they only post irrelevant insults.

Legeon wrote on 20.09.2009 at 16:57
Legeon, thanks for your post, but I assure you that I perfectly understand the difference between your words said in private conversation on thread towards a person and official statement made in official interview towards a country :-)
Do not be bothered.
Look at it from the bright side, Anette's supporters tried to make your words as important as Anette Olzon's words! :-) Maybe it is a hidden compliment after all.;-P

Karen wrote on 20.09.2009 at 18:40
Siren said: "Read your writtings yourself since you seem to think of yourself as a special person "

RockMan IS a special person. I wouldn't have remembered him from quite some time ago and recognize under completely diggerent name if he weren't special. Also I wouldn't have missed him (as I said couple of times before) if he weren't special. ;-)

*** said: "The Seer, your old friend is back, but he doesn't pay attention to you, he pays attention to someone else :) "

He once said that I was the last person here he wished to speak with. :-(

TheSeer wrote on 21.09.2009 at 22:27
Jimmie said: "[I] know people like you and to me it's pointless to continue this argument because I have very peaceful mind about this case and I don't care to spend time with you here!"

I never get how all those peaceful and confident, intelligent and educated New NW fans can act in such a thin-skinned manner to dissenting opinions. There must be something that forces them to act like total jerks even if they totally aren't like that otherwise, just like there must be something that forces NW to keep talking about things they don't want to talk about. It seems to be the "incoherent behaviour" disease, also known as "preaching one thing and doing the opposite" or "practicing what you oppose".

Why can't New NW fans take a chill pill from time to time? Most Tarja fans I know aren't nearly as sensitive and defensive or apologetic. Often, they even ignore negative comments about Tarja that are so obviously misinformed or illogical that they are just too plain ridiculous to even bother.

Why can't New NW fans act in this way? Why do they keep going like "I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU TARJATALIBANS SAY! I'M TOTALLY CALM!!!!1!1" If they at least admitted the obvious ... :rolleyes:

Almagest wrote on 22.09.2009 at 02:10
Almagest said: "Most Tarja fans I know aren't nearly as sensitive and defensive or apologetic. Often, they even ignore negative comments about Tarja that are so obviously misinformed or illogical that they are just too plain ridiculous to even bother.

Why can't New NW fans act in this way?"

You want to put New NW fans on the SAME level with us Tarja fans? God forbid such a thing EVER to happen! :-p

TheSeer wrote on 22.09.2009 at 19:04
most of us can't help but wonder what will happen after the album's release. sure anette says she has no intention of leaving nightwish, or the guys kicking her out. if she says she's still with NW than she's still the NW vocalist

Missay wrote on 05.10.2009 at 22:11
On the one hand I understand Anette's need to do as much as possible now that she has the opportunity and connections (obviously she has been chasing this for a really long time), on the other I feel she is going too fast and I don't know if in the end this will prove to be good for her indeed. Like people already have said, having your personal website and merch line when the rest of the band (who's been around for a decade) don't have anything separate, and in such a short time after you've been part of the band, seems a bit out of time and place. See the difference? The guys act as a whole, she acts as a unit. And it doesn't have to do with side projects; it's all about how one goes about them.

I don't care if she actually wanted to get hired just for the money, what annoys me a bit is that she makes it too obvious at times by all the things she writes in her blog (all the new things she buys everyday, travels here and there, new expensive clothes obviously thanks to the money she earned etc. Money that she earned with her hard work, there's no doubt about that; but like someone said once: "A lady should be modest" ;p) And I wouldn't mind about the solo album if she didn't talk about it so much. It's like shameless self promotion at any given moment, too much fuss before she actually got to work on it.

I really can't understand if she is just so happy that she finally got recognition that she wants to show the whole world, or she is actually trying to create a music persona, independantly of the band that actually made her famous.

All the above said in all respect, because I like her as a singer; I believe she does have a lot of potential. Maybe her voice is not too strong for the songs of Nightwish, but she is a good singer.

Let's see how things go... :)

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