NIGHTWISH Singer ANETTE OLZON Taps MADONNACELINE DION Songwriter For Solo Album

28.08.2009

NIGHTWISH singer Anette Olzon has tapped Swedish producer/songwriter Anders Bagge to write material for her upcoming solo album, which she plans to record during the band's downtime in early 2010.

Commented Olzon: [Bagge] is a very famous and incredibly talented songwriter. He has done so many hit songs and has been working with MADONNA, CELINE DION, JANET JACKSON, JESSICA SIMPSON and many, many more. He is also one of the jury members in Swedish 'Idol' [TV talent competition] and a show called 'Made in Sweden'. He is a true CANNIBAL CORPSE lover and rock lover.

"At the moment, he has done some albums and one of the bands he is doing at the moment are called APOLLO DRIVE. I really liked the songs he played and the first single, 'Time', is a bit heavier and I like it!

"Me and Petri [H. Lundén, Anette's manager] came to [Bagge's] big house [on Thursday, August 27] and had a meeting with him and his two co-writer team. It was a really fun and crazy moment. Anders is a really funny guy and I laughed all the time.

"I am looking forward to do songs now and I believe this will be great."

Olzon performed on August 13, 2009 with the Swedish Radio Symphony Orchestra at a special concert in Stockholm, Sweden as part of the Stockholms Kulturfestival (Stockholm's Culture Festival). According to Anette, "The evening [was] in the theme of Sweden-Finland and it [was] called Suomi Safari. There [was] a big symphonic orchestra, choir and more soloists that have something to do with Finland."

Video footage of Anette's performance can be viewed below.

Olzon recently wrote a blog entry on her official web site where whe talked about singing technique. She said, "It's hard to go in to exactly what I do when I sing since some things are 'by nature' and just come naturally but, of course, a lot of things are what I have learned earlier in vocal lessons and also during my career as the singer in NIGHTWISH where my voice is needed to be able to sing many high-pitched songs for 1.5 hours many nights a week.

"First of all, what I use most when I sing is a technique called 'belting.' For you who don't know what kinda vocal sound types normally are talked about, there are different sounds and techniques to use when singing. This technique is a way to come very high up by pushing the vocal cords together, slamming them against each other, so that no air at all can leak through. If any air leaks through, it can make the voice soar and aching. I do this technique also by thinking that I lift my upper lift upwards, kinda showing my teeth and a good sound to practise for it is to imitate an evil witch. You know the evil laughter. Also imitating a car like: öhrn, öhrn, öhrn... as a car accelerating forward. These things make me lift the lip and close the cords. Of course there are so many more things to do to make this technique perfect but that's an easier way to explain what I do."

In an interview with Classic Rock's Dave Ling, NIGHTWISH keyboardist/mainman Tuomas Holopainen was asked if alarm bells rang when, echoing her predecessor, Olzon recently hired a personal manager (Swedish management company Hagenburg Management, which also represents EUROPE and THE CARDIGANS). "At the beginning I had a feeling of déjà vu," he replied. "But when we discussed it I understood that she needs somebody who speaks her own language [Swedish]. Her manager is a very, very reasonable guy."

When asked how Anette is handling the fame, Tuomas replied, "She has told me a couple of times that she might not be able to handle it, on top of her divorce. I've seen her close to collapse and it has scared me, so we are protecting her."

Source: Blabbermouth.net

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WHAAAAAAA?!?! O.o

ebanc wrote on 28.08.2009 at 16:24
Solo album...

too soon

Max wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:00
that's good. i wish she would leave the band and have her own career, so that we wouldn't have to hear her anymore...

zina wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:06
Ohh ! What a big surprise.... lol

And Tarja was soooo a diva by preparing her solo career during her time in Nightwish...

Well done Anette, you are the vengeance of Tarja in NW for what NW have done bad for her!!
Thank you Anette, I love you really !!!

Devy wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:08
oxaoxa, this is REALLY funny xaxa

evspko wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:30
This is the last definitive proof we need, that Nightwish was just a stepping stone to fame for Anette.

Jaussi wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:31
Yeah, Legeon already mentioned this on the last article I believe. I kinda figured this was going to happen... Oh well, what can you do.

James wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:34
Well since he loves Cannibal Corpse, maybe he should make Anette sound like them.. LOL!!!!

James wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:36
oh no......

vihainenhirvi wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:39
I sense deja vu...

mhfl wrote on 28.08.2009 at 17:51
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That is hopefully a joke -.-
But otherwise: Everything she has done until now pointed to this plan.

"her upcoming solo album, which she plans to record during the band's downtime in early 2010."

Hopefully the band's downtime includes the search of a new singer, but please, this time, of a TALENTED ONE!!!
I think she wont pay any attention to Nightwish after the release of her solo album.
And for all Tarja-haters and Anette-arse-lickers:
ANETTE WONT WRITE THE SONGS BY HERSELF!!!!
So this is not a point you can critize Tarja for anymore.

Franziska wrote on 28.08.2009 at 18:15
Oh, I can just see where this comment thread is going to go...

CanuckFan wrote on 28.08.2009 at 18:19
Now that's interesting, a solo album. Well, we all expected this, didn't we, after hiring her own manager and making her own website - but maybe she won't start a solo career now - if the album isn't very successfull she'll stay in Nightwish, I guess. But we'll see. Hey, maybe I should buy it, then....no, just kidding^^

All that talking about her singing technic is silly, in my opinion she doesn't use any. There are so great singers who do belting (e.g. in Musicals, of course) but she doesn't compare, I'm sorry. Although she's much better in this video than I expected (maybe she's better with an orchestra than with a metal band? I don't know..), but still average, I think.

Is it going to be a pop album? Because of the examples given here - Madonna, Jessica Simpson etc. And it seems she doesn't write her own songs. Doesn't sound very promising, really...

Earwen wrote on 28.08.2009 at 18:32
I hope the cd does really well, and she kicks Tuomas to the curb ;)

Phoenix wrote on 28.08.2009 at 18:32
"So this is not a point you can critize Tarja for anymore. "

+1000000000000000

I'm very happy too for her solo career, I hope she will leave NW very soon...

Devy wrote on 28.08.2009 at 18:34
@Devy: Definitely, she's gods vengeance of Tarja!

I love you now Nettie

Mwaha wrote on 28.08.2009 at 18:39
Well the other guys in NW have their own side-projects/bands, why shouldn't Anette have her own little projects?
I'm rather interested to how this will turn out...

ellis wrote on 28.08.2009 at 18:39
"Well the other guys in NW have their own side-projects/bands, why shouldn't Anette have her own little projects?
I'm rather interested to how this will turn out..."

I do agree with you on that fact that NW guys have their own projects too... But IMHO to Anette it's more than this... And I don't think that for Anette's manager it's just a simple "side projects" too. They are currently preparing her solo career. And IMO again, if it works, Anette won't need NW anymore (doesn't ring any bells ?...)

So I want to say it again : THANK YOU ANETTE ! I LOVE YOU !

Devy wrote on 28.08.2009 at 19:08
The others may have side projects, however, nobody else in Nightwish has released a solo album (except, of course, for Tarja - she released a christmas album, and she already wanted to leave before they fired her). Nobody said a word when Anette sang a song with an other band, but a solo album is different.

@ellis wrote on 28.08.2009 at 19:17
Money-Money-Money !!!

Kati wrote on 28.08.2009 at 19:38
"This is the last definitive proof we need, that Nightwish was just a stepping stone to fame for Anette."
Well, that's something obvious, since she isn't a singer coming from Metal scene, nor even a metal fan.

JDarkMoon wrote on 28.08.2009 at 20:23
Solo and NW is a hard task. But not impossible, if she's consistent.

Go Anette !

~Insane~ wrote on 28.08.2009 at 20:49
Franziska:
Hopefully the band's downtime includes the search of a new singer, but please, this time, of a TALENTED ONE!!!

I tottaly agree, maybe today is a very good day for Nightwish!
Tarja finally vincicated!

Anette i wish the best for you, away from Nightwish...

evspko wrote on 28.08.2009 at 20:54
I understand it's footage from happening called Suomi Safari, but it was in Stockholm, so why she thanks to the audience in finnish? :-O
and BTW... who would ever imagine that one symphonic metal band from Finland will one day help some swedish singer to establish her own career in pop music..?

CrusT wrote on 28.08.2009 at 21:05
What??? I like her voice and I'm happy that she wants to make a solo album but I think she sould wait a little bit befor making it. It's to soon.

perkele wrote on 28.08.2009 at 21:29
DEJA VU!!!!!!

perkele wrote on 28.08.2009 at 21:31
I agree with you Devy love anette too xDDD

tarja-fan wrote on 28.08.2009 at 21:35
i think that Tarja will come back in band!

www.com wrote on 28.08.2009 at 23:14
@Franziska
TOTALLY AGREE

Hayley wrote on 28.08.2009 at 23:26
I think it should be a very great album xdddd...
Sure a lot of NW funs will be glad if she leave NW.
Interesting to hear this.She is nothing without Tuo.Than good luck
Go away

Artaniel wrote on 28.08.2009 at 23:33
People don't be so fucking childish because you don't know nothing.You only make gossips and rumours!

HAH...this is so funny:"Sure a lot of NW fans will be glad if she leave..."...you wrote it wrong way because it should be "Sure a lot of fanatic Tarja fans will be glad if she leave..."!They still have old and new fans so they don't need your "not real NW fans" support.Real fan support the band what ever they do and not only one member of the band!

GET OVER IT!

Jimmie wrote on 29.08.2009 at 00:52
The time has come to sing :
BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL !!!!!!

Lena wrote on 29.08.2009 at 01:26
If this means that she leaves Nightwish and never does anything with them again (also not ruining NW songs) I will even buy her new album.. May it only be to sell it later ^^.

Sor wrote on 29.08.2009 at 01:27
"I understand it's footage from happening called Suomi Safari, but it was in Stockholm, so why she thanks to the audience in finnish? :-O"

Because a lot of the audience was Finnish. It was a Swedish-Finnish festival. I was there to watch Anette perform, although I prefer Tarja. There were not many people in the audience. A few hours later Apocalyptica played, and the place was packed. If Anette has many fans in and around Stockholm, they sure didn't show up to show her support.

itneverstops wrote on 29.08.2009 at 02:07
Yeah right, Tarja was always in war with tuomas because he didn't like that she has her own classical solo career! And now Anette is doing the same... but worse, because she don't know anything about singing, and she will RECORD a solo pop album!
I hope anette kick out nightwish as soon as possible! She's doing her job and she deserves more than a hitler faggot like tuomas!

Anonimous wrote on 29.08.2009 at 03:20
Well, I'm surprised that Legeon and the Demo Crew haven't appeared yet on this thread, but I'm sure that as soon as they see this, they will cry out a big fat A-HA!

Congrats, Legeon, your criticism has been vindicated.

Between the out-of-character attire, the manager, the controversial gigs, and now this deal, it seems pretty apparent that Anette really doesn't care for Nightwish. She is doing many of the things that Tuomas cited as grounds for firing Tarja, and now the fans are (rightfully) calling BS on it.

One person did make a valid point that the other members of NW also have side projects, such as Marco w/ Northern Kings or Tuomas with For My Pain, but there is a difference. The side projects that the guys have are BANDS. Anette is doing a SOLO album. Furthermore, side projects are usually done by metal artists that already have a long-established record in metal. Anette has only been in the metal spotlight for ONE album. She came out of nowhere in 2007 and got a boost by joining NW, a band that was getting headlines for Tarjagate (yes, I call it that. I know I'm unoriginal). She got loads of attention from the scrutiny "Dark Passion Play" was held under. Now she is using all the fame she has gotten from doing just one metal album and uses it to do a solo side project that is influenced by artists that are world's apart from the band she is a part of.

It feels pretty clear that Anette used NW to kickstart her solo career. I am not going to give up on NW for her sins, but this definitely stains their image.

I hope Tuomas is doing a facepalm right now, because I sure am.

Jeremy wrote on 29.08.2009 at 04:58
I had a feeling anette was making a solo album. i guess it's a matter of time to see if history will repeat itself.

Missay wrote on 29.08.2009 at 05:10
I want all you dumbfucks to visit Anettes blog and see the hole picture. This is not a solo career. This is just an album, a few songs on a cd. Nightwish is number one for her.

Wrathchild wrote on 29.08.2009 at 07:51
it's sad, nightwish have become a joke in the metal scene to all us old fans.

seriously, who would be proud and tell the whole world that:
1. she cant write her own music or atleast lyrics, and...
2. she's hiring a pop song writer to write her a pop smash hit!

but it's partly nw's fault for hiring such a pop princess. as if they wouldnt realise that someone who knows nothing about metal would honestly stick to it!
tarja wont go back to them, she's just as successful, if not even more successful now!
i really dont know how out of the whole world, all the great singers that must have tried out nw, that this was the "best" they came across. she should have gone on swedish idol... oh wait, she's too old -_-

hahaha yeah i agree, make her sound like cannibal corpse xD haha

Svanhvit wrote on 29.08.2009 at 10:05
Wrathchild:"I want all you dumbfucks to visit Anettes blog and see the hole picture. This is not a solo career. This is just an album, a few songs on a cd. Nightwish is number one for her."

I want you to stop calling us names for just because you disagree with most of us. That's childish you know. And yes, Anette is starting a solo career, with all her home studios, her own merchandise and own website. And also clearly showing that she has no respect for metal nor Nightwish at all. Nightwish WAS number one for her, until she gained the fame and the money by abusing her position in an already world-wide famous band so she could start her very own career, since she very obviously does NOT care of or respect metal AT ALL. And yes, I have visited Anette's blog several times, and read more than just the headlines.

Jaussi wrote on 29.08.2009 at 11:36
Nightwish was number one for Tarja too. She said that in interview. In fact, reading anette's blog it's like read an old interview of Tarja.
How do you say ? Déjà vu ??

Devy wrote on 29.08.2009 at 11:39
Solo album... I can't believe it... I really love Nightwish and their songs, they are great band, but what's going on with their singers? First Tarja, now Anette. I think she's no longer part of Nightwish. If she ever was...

The Snow-White Sorrow wrote on 29.08.2009 at 12:07
History tends to repeat itself as a farce. - What a better example than this?

I am glad for Anette Olzon. At least she doesn't have to even pretend that she likes and understands rock and metal. Best of luck with the pop album and I surely hope I won't have to hear of her in any relation to the metal genre from this day on!

What saddens me, though, is that Nightwish have turned into a complete joke. They surely have good songs and Tuomas Holopainen is a talented composer, but he's such a drama queen. I don't know what's his problem and couldn't care less, but I kinda feel bad for the other guys who are excellent musicians and have to put up with this shite.

Oh, and BTW, I'm kinda surprised not many of you have heard of Tarot. - This is Marco's band, not that Northern Kings project.

Christina wrote on 29.08.2009 at 13:12
Devy wrote
"'So this is not a point you can critize Tarja for anymore. "
+1000000000000000'

*thumbs*up* Go,Nettie,go =D Happy day for us all,including Princess-fans.
I wonder what will Tuo invent this time,he said it won't be an open letter ;)

Enkeli wrote on 29.08.2009 at 14:25
From Anette's blog: "You all know I love that band, and, of course, this is not a solo career, but an album. I can't sit and do nothing for maybe 1.5-2 years."

...... Did I miss something? Didn't Tuomas say in a couple of interviews that they were taking a break for a few months and then starting rehearsals? Didn't Anette state that she would be there for rehearsals and working on her vocal lines? Where did the 1.5-2 years come from? She has been complaining about the tour schedule being difficult, about how it is hard to leave her son, about her voice and body being tired and stressed, about wanting a break. Now she gets to relax for a little while and she's loading herself up with more work instead? None of this makes any sense anymore...

I really don't know how I feel about this decision... At least her voice might sound better on her own songs. Tuomas has always written for a strong voice and she has a very delicate one unfortunately. I'll probably give a listen to a couple of her songs before making my decision. She said it will be "rocky" but from what I've seen so far, her being "rocky" is like Hannah Montana putting on some eyeliner and striped pants and calling herself a "rock star" (Sorry for the Disney example. It just fits, in my opinion).

As for whether or not she will be leaving Nightwish... Anyone can speculate about it all they want but the only people who know the situation are the band members. I really don't care either way. If she stays, I'll be buying the next Nightwish album anyways and hoping that she has learned to cope with everything. If she leaves, I'll just hope that they find a better singer who can handle being the front woman. I still trust the boys (maybe a little blindly sometimes) but it's their band and they can do with it what they want. Either way, they're not going to please everybody.

Tainted~ wrote on 29.08.2009 at 19:26
@ Tainted

I saw an interview in which Tuomas said they are taking about a year off and will come together next summer for rehearsals for the new album, and that the new album won't be out until 2011 sometime.

CanuckFan wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:19
@ CanuckFan

Thanks for the explanation :) I'm a bit behind on interviews, I guess. Though I'm still not understanding her claim of having nothing to do for 2 years...

Tainted~ wrote on 29.08.2009 at 21:51
Wow,people are mentioning us even though we haven't posted anything yet...Cool(maybe not,but's another proof that many people here just feen on us).

And really,why should i comment?Why should i comment on something i have already said that would happen?

Anyway,i'm seriously happy about her.
Two reasons:
1)She will use her time in a more valuable and creative way than shopping,it's a good thing and hopefully she'll grow up artistically after that.She will also show exactly what kind of music she fancies. (Honest reason i'm happy)
2)Thankfully she is gonna gather the pop-loving division of NW fanbase and leave NW with the real metal fans.(kinda mean-but still true reason).

After that,i couldn't care less about how this album will sound,and that's why she has already showed what kind of music she likes.
I also don't care if she's leaving NW...Which i don't think is going to happen,at least not before another album.
Why would she?She can have both ways:the job that gives her money to do her shopping and her solo work and in the meantime she can work on her solo stuff.

As i said,i'm happy for that album.At last people will see what she is-and what she has always been:a pop singer.

legeon wrote on 29.08.2009 at 23:50
Note to Christina:

I have heard of Tarot, but I don't consider that Marco's side project because he was in that band along with Sinergy before joining NW. Marco joined Northern Kings after NW.

Jeremy wrote on 30.08.2009 at 03:06
This is the first time i post on this site.I always read the comments but never say anything the most things legeon say i agree.
Most of the people here say to leave Nightwish alone and that Anette is so down to earth etc.
Well for me is not fair if She can say bad and stupid things about my country i can say what ever i like for here she has no respect for nothing exept how to earn more money.
And i am insult how she see Nightwish like an incoming bank couse before Anette i spent time to Listen to Nightwish i spent money for there Concert and CD so i think old fans deserve some respect.Nightwish is were they stand because of the old fans not the new ones.

Nakisha wrote on 30.08.2009 at 04:44
Good God, oh well what can you do? I won't lie its going to be interesting to hear what she comes up with.

Meghan wrote on 30.08.2009 at 07:23
I wonder if there anything else that this girl can do to destroy NW image

Elodia wrote on 30.08.2009 at 13:00
Ha maybe she can restore Nightwish's image by leaving the band

Hayley wrote on 30.08.2009 at 18:13
legeon said:
"Thankfully she is gonna gather the pop-loving division of NW fanbase and leave NW with the real metal fans.(kinda mean-but still true reason)"

Don't be such a snob girl. =)
Last time I checked there was no test of musical taste and knowledge you had to pass in order to be "allowed" to listen to Nightwish. This true-metal-fans elitist-crap is so tiring.

Empathica wrote on 30.08.2009 at 19:32
@Empathica

The "true-metal-fans elitist crap" started since the pop singer joined the band.

Until then,NW had only metal fans,with only few exceptions.

Since 2007,you are a freaking elitist even if you simply state that NW are metal.

Legeon wrote on 30.08.2009 at 22:21
Hmm, not many enthusiastic comments left this time ... wonder how the guys feel about that ;-)

Jimmie: Please stop trying to define who a "real fan" is. A real fan is NOT a blind fanatic puppet.

Christina: Uhh, Marco has had Tarot a little longer than he has been in Nightwish, or in Sinergy for tthat matter, you know? Not really comparable.

Tainted: They're not going to please everybody? Well, if that was what they really did, they'd never have pandered to the lowest common denominator in the first plaace.

I doubt that the solo album is going to be a smash hit. But if it is, I won't complain either.

Empathica: Now, why was Tuomas then so caught up about "metalness" and "trueness" in the past and got angry when some interviewer suggested that DPP sounded "poppy"? Why do they need a Finnish metal veteran like Marco as a credibility token member? Why did Tuomas and Marco criticise Tarja criticised for not being "rock/metal" as opposed to (haha) Anette? Why did Tuomas deny "true fanhood status" to critics? Who's the snob here?

Honestly, I don't know many "true metal elitists", if any, who don't listen to non-metal, too. The true fans-elitist is so tiring.

Almagest wrote on 30.08.2009 at 22:33
I missed a word - I meant "true fans elitist CRAP". And BTW, many pop fans are much more snobbish and closeminded - they think they know everything, and disrespect classical singers or anything outside their comfort zone.

Anyone notice that the NW forum is now finally down? How convenient, this prevents all hell breaking loose, since only "true" (= paying fan club members - but oh no, NW has NEVER been about money, not at all) are now allowed to comment on their forums anymore.

Almagest wrote on 30.08.2009 at 22:39
@Almagest

This forum just went live a few days ago!

http://forum.nightwish-world.com/

CanuckFan wrote on 30.08.2009 at 23:19
@ Legeon

Re. "Until then,NW had only metal fans,with only few exceptions."

You have no way of knowing this. It's a completely unverifiable statement and makies one hell of an assumption on your part.

CanuckFan wrote on 30.08.2009 at 23:21
@CanuckFan

No it is the truth.And that was obvious from Youtube comments,official forum posts AND what we saw at their live shows(i attended 2 with Tarja and one with Olzon):only metal fans.The only non-metal was my fiancee's (ohh i hate that word) brother.
When i saw them last year,we also saw emos and people that seemed completely out of space,since NW performed in a metal festival and all these kids were wondering:what are all these creepy guys?we came for Anette!

Legeon wrote on 30.08.2009 at 23:56
... Someone who wrote some Madonna's song is gonna write a song for Anette, and she is HAPPY?
-___________-

Helena wrote on 31.08.2009 at 00:48
"True-metal elitists" to me are about as bad as any pop elitist due to the fact that they are so close-minded about music it's sickening. They think they know everything and think that everything should sound like Slayer or Iron Maiden! I like those bands too, but they bash a lot of newer bands from Finland, Sweden, or Norway because they use keyboards or that they aren't "brutal" or "old school" sounding enough for them. Yeah, well I am one big metalhead myself who likes a variety of metal (almost anything except nu-metal and -core bands because those genres suck major balls XD) and isn't subject to just one genre of metal because you are only limiting yourself by doing that anyways.

It is true about Anette though. Her voice is very common among all of these other metal/rock bands with female vocalists (Lacuna Coil, Within Temptation, etc.). I actually think that Nightwish got their fanbase based on the fact that Tarja's vocals were extremely unique and different that it made their music sound incredible and better. Without her, Nightwish is more "common" and a lot of their fans just got fed up and left. But the simplier music of their "new" NW sound nowadays isn't helping much either though.

The only other metal band I can think of who has more haters than Nightwish is Metallica, mainly due to the Napster incident and "selling out" in the early 90's. Ever since that, Lar Ulrich is undoubtably the most hated man in metal ever (Tuomas may in second place soon.. ;) ). They came back rather strong on Death Magnetic though, but they still got negative reactions for it. And that is kind of where Nightwish is too. I just don't know if they can redeem all of their angry fans from before 2005.

I'm trying to be optimistic about this but I really think NW kind of dug themselves too big a hole to get out of. Of course that is what I think. ;)

James wrote on 31.08.2009 at 00:52
@ Legeon

EMO KIDS at a METAL FESTVAL???? You can't be serious!!?! If I saw any of them at a European metal concert, I swear I'll hurt them! XD LOL

James wrote on 31.08.2009 at 00:55
@ Legeon: OK, I see what you are saying, thank you for clarifying. I just interpreted your comment in a different way.

Found your MySpace, BTW. You have some really interesting content, I have to say!

CanuckFan wrote on 31.08.2009 at 01:02
C'mon!It's been a couple of days! I want to hear what the rest of the band has to say about her desicion!Or are they going to let her defend herself alone?! This is such a great soap opera!!!Can't wait for continuation!!!

Milka wrote on 31.08.2009 at 01:53
Quote from James ("True-metal elitists" to me are about as bad as any pop elitist due to the fact that they are so close-minded about music it's sickening. They think they know everything and think that everything should sound like Slayer or Iron Maiden! I like those bands too, but they bash a lot of newer bands from Finland, Sweden, or Norway because they use keyboards or that they aren't "brutal" or "old school" sounding enough for them.)

I gotta agree with you though, those close minded fuckheads are like uneducated neanderthals saying any band with keyboards are not metal, probably cause they don't want to push the envelope of musicianship like the guys at Scandinavia

Ravisk wrote on 31.08.2009 at 05:27
Nightwish are just a great joke.

Rocky wrote on 31.08.2009 at 07:48
Jeremy wrote:
"Well, I'm surprised that Legeon and the Demo Crew haven't appeared yet on this thread, but I'm sure that as soon as they see this, they will cry out a big fat A-HA! "
____________________________
Thanks, Jeremy, for remembering us, but as Legeon asked already - why should we?
There is no need. :-)
____________________________
And as for your call for honesty and truth - I understand you, Legeon, but ...

Why?

I was accused few times that I am overdoing it. And I was also thinking few times that it is getting tasteless and I should NOT be coming back here ANYMORE.
But everytime I thought so - NW toped it over.
However seriously I thought: this is it, you can not go further - NW proved me wrong.

So. On weekend I was with my friends and told them a story about "metal band" from Finland (nobody knows NW here) and how they came up with admiring Britney Spears - and I was accused to MAKING IT UP.
(Metalheads are believed to be uncompromising in their musical taste in this country)
I explained what kind of people they are - and everybody agreed I WAS MAKING IT UP.
(no internet connction = no proof I am not)

And then I was riding home and was thinking like:
It is a pity that Princess does not find pink woobly hats cool (yet) and is not selling them in her webshop (yet).

To see metalheads ("true NW fans") wearing them (with some Tshirt from Princess´webshop) on some concert - now, that will be a picture worth seeing!

And when I was at home I was thinking like:

What we will get next? Now after NW came up with Britney Spears and their true metalhead fans agreed that she is as metal and as finish as you might get in one go
(and I was entertaining NO end by reading posts ADMITING things "ok, I listen to BS, too and she is not that bad, she actually has nice songs.. etc)

Now - what will be next? Cooperation with Jonas Brothers? Or Miley Cyrus? I personally would love to see NW saying something like "High School Musical 3 IS a masterpiece".

and then seeing YOU admiting that. "ok, there are some beautiful songs there"

(and I still remember how I was explained that I ams SO SICK when I mentioned BFMV - Welsh METAL band here)

I actually pray for it.

What FUN it will be!

I truly enjoy this band (even if I do not listen to them) and I hope Princess will never leave it.

I am looking forward to the years to come and I wish them that their desintagration as musician will never overshadow their desintagration as PEOPLE.

mermaid wrote on 31.08.2009 at 10:56
[quote] Anyone notice that the NW forum is now finally down? How convenient, this prevents all hell breaking loose, since only "true" (= paying fan club members - but oh no, NW has NEVER been about money, not at all) are now allowed to comment on their forums anymore. [/quote]

The forum is not down, they moved part of it to Nightwish-world site. The old admins couldn't take care of it anymore. There are still official forums but official fanclubs are in charge of taking care of them. Nw-world is the international one.
It's free, you don't need to pay. And it's not only for people registered to the fanclubs.

XY wrote on 31.08.2009 at 14:52
"
EMO KIDS at a METAL FESTVAL???? You can't be serious!!?! If I saw any of them at a European metal concert, I swear I'll hurt them! XD LOL"

what a moron! XD

I'm tired to answer to this , yawns:
"Why did Tuomas and Marco criticise Tarja criticised for not being "rock/metal" as opposed to (haha) Anette? "
I wish Almagest would prove his statements with quotes and facts, less with his (manipulated) words.

Phantom wrote on 31.08.2009 at 14:57
@ Phantom

How is that comment make me a moron? First of all it was meant to be funny and second, do you want emo's to go to a european metal festival? I sure as hell don't! XD

@ Ravisk

You're right. That's why European/Scandinavian metal bands are better than the rest of the world IMO. I think these elitists forgot that almost all early rock and roll bands had piano/keyboard players in their bands too.

@ mermaid

If NW decides to say good things about the Jonas Brothers or Miley, than all hope is lost for that band.... XD

IT IS THE END OF ALL HOPE.. HAHA

James wrote on 31.08.2009 at 19:24
@Almagest

Read first whole comments and don't only pick up my comment so after that reply to me if you have something to say!
Maybe I'm a "blind fanatic puppet" but I'm enjoy it.Real fan respect the band and support it what ever they do.Artists make music what they like and our duty is pick up the music what we like.If the artist can't please you then you don't like that kind of music and you better find something else to listen or do you really think that there is a band who can please 100% of people...don't be so fucking naive!Tuomas make an awesome music but you don't have any rights to tell him how he should make the music or who's gonna be the singer of the band so after that you can like it...what a selfish thinking.
I like old and new Nightwish but I'm not a fanatic fan.Many old fans didn't like the new singer but like me some people accepted her.Like Tuomas said:"We lost some old fans but we got some new fans too".You can cry here "old times" but believe me they still gonna do what ever they like even you don't like it and THAT'S THE FACT!

Jimmie wrote on 01.09.2009 at 00:38
@Jimmie

No, real fans think whats best for the band. And a pop princess who's in it for fame and money sure is not best for the band.

Jaussi wrote on 01.09.2009 at 11:35
@Jaussi

Wrong again!The members of the band knows what's the best for the band because only they make the music!After that you can decide do you like it and do you want to be a fan or not but remember they can't please everybody!
You don't like the band and I really don't care about that but you can leave those evil "pop princes" comments in your small head.There is still people who like the band so your selfish comment is pointless!
PS.They deserve every penny because they make that music and they spend millions for the album and touring around the world with 20 other crew members!

Jimmie wrote on 01.09.2009 at 12:22
@Jimmie

Yes, of course the band makes the decision. But I will publish my evil and selfish thoughts here, whether you and other "real fans" like it or not. And even though the band MAKES the decision, I have all the right to say, that IMO they should make the decision to fire Anette. Again, whether you like it or not. And with that logic you are using, your comments are pointless too, because there are still people who like the band, but think that Anette is not suitable to sing in that band.

Jaussi wrote on 01.09.2009 at 18:57
@Jaussi

Sorry but I wonder how old are you because your comment is so...
Yes... you can talk here in the end of the time and keep your opinions but the point is that your comments don't change nothing.They don't need your advices and they don't care your opinions(even they are evil...poor child) because there are millions of different opinions in the world.Do you think that you are so special for them....I don't think so!That's the reason why your comment is pointless!
You ask my logic...well my logic is very simple.If you like the band then listen it and enjoy the great music.If you don't like the band then don't listen it!Nobody cares about your personal music taste!Don't worry because if you and some "same thinkers" don't like the band they still have fans and they don't need your support!DPP album is the best selling Nightwish album so far...uuuuhhh that must be hurt....!

PS.There are 5 members at the band Nightwish so how is possible to express that you like the band but same time "I don't like one member of the band"...LOL...so funny!

You wrote first to me so after this don't replay to me!I don't want to play just with you here because I don't care persons like you who don't respect nothing ("...I will publish my evil selfish thoughts here...") and it's pointless to argue about own music taste!

Jimmie wrote on 02.09.2009 at 01:08
James said:
"If NW decides to say good things about the Jonas Brothers or Miley, than all hope is lost for that band.... XD "
___________________________ :-)

Do not get me wrong. If they start to admire Jonas Brothers and even sing with them - it is up to them. They are free to do their decisions.

But what made me really bewildered - was reaction of you, "metalheads".
In my country are metalheads known to be uncompromizing as far as it is about music.

Here, although it is called "metal from Finland" - ...... well, Britney Spears?
Is it just me, or is she mainstream?
Princess going to sing what is left by Madonna and Celine Dion, etc (I still think they are mainstream, too) and EVERYBODY IS HAPPY with that??

Why do not we call this place Mainstream from Finland (abbreviation will be the same)
Why to pretend something we are not?

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 10:27
@Jimmie

"but the point is that your comments don't change nothing."

Who said that we WANT to change anything,or that we try to?As just like we had nothing to do with their downhill(which is obvious to the whole freaking metal base except for their fans),we won't have anything to do with what they'll do next.

If we actually had the power to be heard and change things,NW would be the last in our minds to save.They are responsible for themselves,and that makes us able to judge them.Just like you are able to judge us here for our "evil" opinions.

"Do you think that you are so special for them.."

No one said that here.WE KNOW for certain that NW don't give a s*%t for their or anyone else,because then they would respect them and not use them like puppets.
No other band in this genre has used its fan like that.Especially in order to destroy one artist's(or many artists') career.

"DPP album is the best selling Nightwish album so far...uuuuhhh that must be hurt....! '

Yes,that hurt because NW used to be a band that was special about the music and not selling numbers.
To me,sellings count nothing...Let me tell you why.Even though i generally liked this album less than previous ones,being a fan i bought TWO copies of it,normal and Limited.
Just like how many fans did that to support their favorite band.
Also,sales don't indicate one album's quality or importance.
For example,Therion's best selling album was Vovin,yet their most beautiful and important(because it was the VERY FIRST symphonic metal album)sold less.

Legeon wrote on 02.09.2009 at 10:28
Legeon pretty much summed it up there, and I totally agree with him. And Jimmie, there's no reason to get all personal here, you can stop talking like that and accept that everyone who doesn't like Anette being in Nightwish (or doesn't agree with you) might actually not be a 15-year old "selfish evil poor child".

And I already said this, but will say again, maybe you understand this time.

I KNOW that my comments change nothing and in the end are meaningless, so I could just have a nice cup of shut the f**k up. But what you don't understand is, that applies just as well to you too. Period. End of this discussion.

Jaussi wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:09
Jaussi,

good comment. But Legeon is a "her" not a "him".

:-)

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:26
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind mermaid, Legeon just sounds like a masculin name to me, no offence. :)

Jaussi wrote on 02.09.2009 at 12:40
@Jaussi

No offense indeed...I have chosen the word "Legeon" and i spell it the wrong way for a(personal) reason...

Thanks mermaid :)

Legeon wrote on 02.09.2009 at 15:19
Legeon is greek word for a legion.

But as I saw - it is a greek surname, too. :-)

Jaussi,

Legion is not necessarily masculine (well, dependes on which langage).
Anyway, thousands females ganged up is I think even worse then "a large military unit" consisting of males...

mermaid wrote on 02.09.2009 at 15:54
@mermaid

You got me :)

Yes,in Greek the word Legion is Legeon,and because in our language we have masculine and feminine objects,legeon is feminine.

Just like mermaid :)
(not that there were male mermaids in any myth except Ariel :P)

Legeon wrote on 02.09.2009 at 18:31
@ Legeon

Why did you purchase two copies of DPP, one normal & one special edition? Did you think something would change in the special edition? Just curious.

CanuckFan wrote on 02.09.2009 at 18:43
@Legeon

Don't put words to my mouth and also I don't care to talk to you because I don't want to spend my time with person like you...PLA,PLA,PLA continues here and nothing gonna change...I like old and new Nightwish and I'm gonna enjoy their music!

Jimmie wrote on 02.09.2009 at 19:50
@CanuckFan

Actually the limited edition was the one with the instrumental versions...And i have always liked orchestral parts.

@Jimmie

"Don't put words to my mouth"

So,you didn't say the words i mentioned YOU saying?
It seems that you must have someone posting under your name then...But also in the same way you talk...Strange.

Legeon wrote on 02.09.2009 at 21:05
@CanuckFan

The record company wants to purchase two little different DPP albums!
-First the original 2 CD box:Album and Instrumental version of the same album.
-Later the Special Edition 2 CD box:Album and extra CD which includes songs like "Escapist" and 4 different versions (demo,remix) of other DPP album songs.
I have both!
There is also this "Made in Hong Kong" CD/DVD
I have also that!

Jimmie wrote on 03.09.2009 at 00:16
Anette said: ""Me and Petri [H. Lundén, Anette's manager] came to [Bagge's] big house [on Thursday, August 27] and had a meeting with him and his two co-writer team. It was a really fun and crazy moment. Anders is a really funny guy and I laughed all the time."

I've thought Mimi was Anette's manager? How many new managers, assistants and life-coaches she got?

And I'm trying to visualize Bagge's "big house". And Anette laughing all the time in it. Especially since it's hard to laugh when you get botox. And you can look really creepy to the surronding. That's why doctors do not recommend laughing very much when you get it. Someone should inform Anette about that.

Btw, maybe all guys with big houses are really funny to her and make her laugh all the time?

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 00:48
Wrathchild said: "I want all you dumbfucks to visit Anettes blog and see the hole picture. This is not a solo career. This is just an album, a few songs on a cd. Nightwish is number one for her."

Sorry Wrathchild but I just cannot see the whole picture. Maybe that's because, unlike you, I don't have baked potato instead of brain in my head.

And why do you think that Anette has a career in Nightwish? DPP is also "just an album, a few songs on a cd".

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 01:11
@ Jimmie

Oh, I know the record company puts out all this extra stuff in order to make money. I have the DPP special edition because it was the only one available to me where I get my CDs from and it was a good price. I also have Made in Hong Kong.

CanuckFan wrote on 03.09.2009 at 02:06
@ The Seer

Look who's back!

Mimi is Anette's personal assistant, which is different from her manager.

CanuckFan wrote on 03.09.2009 at 02:08
Legeon,

"not that there were male mermaids in any myth except Ariel "....

we started this discussion somewhere here already - our "alias" tells a lot about us.

I for sure will never chose to be "mermaid" somewhere where people know it is me.

That is why I do not get "angel". :-)

If I want to have alias which will be linked to me - I will go for "Seer".

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 10:27
"And Anette laughing all the time in it.."

FLIRTING...

Good safe his soul.

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 10:28
~Insane~ said: "Solo and NW is a hard task. But not impossible, if she's consistent."

We should ask Phantom about that. He is self-proclaimed expert on consistency. Lecturing other people about how their posts are inconsistent while at the same time his posts vary between very smart and deep to totally childish and shallow.

Speaking about Phantom, where is that cutie?

Lena said: "The time has come to sing :
BYE BYE BEAUTIFUL !!!!!!"

Bye Bye Botox! :-)

Anonimous said: "but worse, because she don't know anything about singing, and she will RECORD a solo pop album! "

She doesn't need to know. According to her own words it all comes "naturally" to her. Even more naturally when she is surrounded with funny people having big houses.

James said: "@ Phantom How is that comment make me a moron? First of all it was meant to be funny and second, do you want emo's to go to a european metal festival? I sure as hell don't! XD"

How can you be sure that Phantom is not an emo? As a matter if fact I'm having some "seeings" that he is emo. At least 30%.

Jimmie said: "Wrong again!The members of the band knows what's the best for the band because only they make the music!"

Music is the last thing Nightwish is about nowadays. Maestro chose it that way.

This Jimmie reminds me very much on RockMan with his "It's Nightwish music that matters!" and "Nightwish rules".

CanuckFan said: "Mimi is Anette's personal assistant, which is different from her manager."

Bnch of people here attacked me that Mimi is her assistand and PM at the same time but I was actually right from the beginning.

TheSeer wrote on 03.09.2009 at 14:39
Seer said:

"Necu vise da pricam sa tobom! "

Und was wurdest du erwarten von mich?

Though "prica" means "say"(or even "rumour"), but not exactly "expect", I think you meant your expectations here, not your actual words...

mermaid wrote on 03.09.2009 at 16:58
After two years in the band already a solo album? Ok what Anette is going to do next to make herself look stupid and the band also? NW has turned to a circus with Anette being the main clown. Well, seems she is going to be kicked out soon anyway.

Rob wrote on 03.09.2009 at 20:36
"Speaking about Phantom, where is that cutie? "

He is fanboying somewhere about Tuomas I guess, or is lecturing others about how much fanatics they are. He thinks he is saint you know.

"She doesn't need to know. According to her own words it all comes "naturally" to her. Even more naturally when she is surrounded with funny people having big houses."

Of course, she doesn't need to know. It is way too serious and complicated for her to understand such things and you do not want her brains to overload, don't you? You can't be that cruel to Anette-she is so down-to-earth.

"Music is the last thing Nightwish is about nowadays. Maestro chose it that way."
If Maestro jumps out the window you should jump after him with scream "Maestro rules". That's the law for every NW fan. Music? What music? It is all about PR baby, scandals and money.

The Riddler wrote on 04.09.2009 at 09:28
@The Riddler , I take insults only from "©The demolition crew".:))
You are not entitled to call me fanboy :P .
By the way ,nobody explained me when exactly I was fanboying, sounds like a mere excuse to label my opinions as shit :P

Phantom (aka "©The demolition crew" favourite dude) wrote on 05.09.2009 at 20:09
"You can't be that cruel to Anette-she is so down-to-earth. "

If she is so down-to-earth, than somebody should bury her deep in the soil- she would like it and it would make her even more down-to-earth, lol )))

Pophater wrote on 05.09.2009 at 20:17
Phantom (aka "©The demolition crew" favourite dude), oh, that's bad, I'm afraid I'm not worthy yet to be a part of demolishion crew.
I know you are their everlasting love, and they are yours))) You all should get together and live happily ever after :)

The Riddler wrote on 05.09.2009 at 21:01
This is like... i dunno kinda sort of REALLY FREAKING DEJA VU!!!! :|

BUT... it is probably a bit different because
a) Tuomas isn't known to hate the living daylight outta Nettan's manager
b) There's no arguments between her and the band (not that we know of at least)

So see, it's probably different but people always wanna see the worst side of everything, in this case a repeat of the tragedies of 2005 *cries at memory*

And people, you really need to grow up and STOP hating Anette for being in NW now and stop your childish acusations of a whole load of other bullcrap!!!!

I absolutely ADORE Tarja, really to death, she's like perfection and I loveloveLOVE her.

And I love Anette TOO!
See?, it's not that hard!!!
She's a great person, so stop trashing her....geeezz

LizLunatic wrote on 05.09.2009 at 21:51
"b) There's no arguments between her and the band (not that we know of at least) "

Actually Anette gave some hints that "not everybody loves everybody in the band" some months ago, and I remember that fake interview where she laughed nervously while trying to hug others, it was all very fake.

"She's a great person, so stop trashing her....geeezz"

That great person insulted fans and even whole country, ignored fans (already !), put down great metal band, put down classicaly trained singers...the list can go on.

Albert wrote on 05.09.2009 at 23:03
"BUT... it is probably a bit different because
a) Tuomas isn't known to hate the living daylight outta Nettan's manager "

Yeah, because Nettan's manager is not the husband of his beloved muse and Nettan is not his beloved muse :P

;)

Phantom (aka "©The demolition crew" favourite dude) wrote on 05.09.2009 at 23:28
@LizLunatic

"STOP hating Anette for being in NW"

Who said we hate her for being in NW?That's among the top 10 of NW fans accusations for Olzon haters.
If we hated her for being in NW,we would hate her or every singer in her place from the very first moment,which is hardly close to the truth.

For example,i will shit my pants if Floor become their singer.
We don't like Olzon because of her behavior and singing,not for being in NW.Or replacing Tarja,because Olzon had nothing to do with that.
And if you pay some more attention to our comments,you'll see some more thinking and criticism other than "Anette sucks!"

Legeon wrote on 05.09.2009 at 23:28
@LizLunatic

I agree with you!It's nice to read other people comments here too because today this forum is a "few people's chat room" where they can bark a person (Anette) who they don't like (PS.Don't try to tell me that you have rights to do so because you really don't have any rights to do so and I really don't care your reasons so it's pointless to reply to me).It's so easy to write these comments behind the computer without faces.They can't talk same way to people who they see face to face and if they do it then it's gonna be very difficult for them.Maybe they don't make music or even perform it in public so for that reason they don't understand the whole point of music and what is to be a famous artist.Sometimes I don't wonder why we have wars and fights because these kind of people don't respect anything and they spit out all irrelevant words what they can find.Music is a happy thing but to some people it's some kind of bizarre thing...maybe they are so young or maybe a psychologist can answer for that question...I don't understand it but fortunately I don't have to!

I like also old and new Nightwish.Tarja did a good job and it was interesting to see how Anette gonna do her job.Example few of my friends didn't like old NW but they start to listen the new one but still it's always matter of taste and nothing else.I make music and I like all kind of music from classical to metal so maybe it's easy to me accept changes in music.My simply point is if you don't like the artist then don't listen it or care about that person but same time respect other people...it's sad that some people don't do it!

Keep on Rocking!

Jimmie wrote on 06.09.2009 at 02:10
Jimmie said: "Sometimes I don't wonder why we have wars and fights because these kind of people don't respect anything and they spit out all irrelevant words what they can find."

OMG, this is exactly what RockMan said some months ago! o.O What same cultural circle can do...

LizLunatic said: "BUT... it is probably a bit different because
a) Tuomas isn't known to hate the living daylight outta Nettan's manager
b) There's no arguments between her and the band (not that we know of at least)"

a) And what about her assistant and life-coach?

b) According to Olzon she had a big fight with Maestro after the crying incident, after which she decided to hire personal manager. Something Maestro has ever denied.

@Phantom (aka "©The demolition crew" favourite dude): I doubt Legeon considers you favourite and I doubt mermaid even considers you to be a dude. :-p

And I see from your recent comments (bashing Anette, defending Tarja, taking fence on defending Maestro) that you regret you didn't chose to become part of the history some months ago (i.e. join the demolition crew). I'm sorry that now it's too late for that, for we don't accept new members now that our quest is at an end.

However you still have the chance to become part of the history as boyfriend of someone from the demolition crew. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 06.09.2009 at 12:29
"people don't respect anything and they spit out all irrelevant words what they can find."

Perfect description of Anette Olzon, with all her comments and opinions about some musicians, music genres and other things , lol

"Example few of my friends didn't like old NW but they start to listen the new one but still it's always matter of taste and nothing else."

I wonder why most of the fans of New NW either did not like metal and never listened to metal and listened to mainstream crap, before starting to listen New NW, or did not/do not like old NW ! And yeah taste - taste can be good or shitty :))

Steve wrote on 06.09.2009 at 12:39
The Seer
"@Phantom (aka "©The demolition crew" favourite dude): I doubt Legeon considers you favourite and I doubt mermaid even considers you to be a dude. :-p"

Considering how many times you all mention me, I thought I was your favourite dude. Now this will break my heart *sniff
Mermaid has a gender and age issue with me, I know. She wants me to be a girl for whatever reason.

"And I see from your recent comments (bashing Anette, defending Tarja, taking fence on defending Maestro) ."

I've always praised Tarja :P
I'm not that good in demolishing things, I never wanted to join a demolition crew :P

"However you still have the chance to become part of the history as boyfriend of someone from the demolition crew. :-p"
Really? Who? Let me guess...

Phantom wrote on 06.09.2009 at 18:31
Jimmie wrote:"... and I really don't care your reasons so it's pointless to reply to me"

So you say right from the start that you don't want to discuss anything and that whatever reasoning might be said by people who don't share you're opinion, you won't listen or accept it? Now that's what I call an open-minded attitude...

Earwen wrote on 06.09.2009 at 19:45
@Earwen

Read first all comments and don't only pick up one of my comments so maybe you can understand my point!
If somebody says "I don't like this because..." in a good way then it's ok to me but if someone takes a hobby to bark somebody here then I don't like and accept that...very simply...Do you want to be nasty to someone who you don't like or can you keep open minded attitude and behave well!

Jimmie wrote on 07.09.2009 at 04:48
The Riddler had some interesting points and then came up with this:

"I know you are their everlasting love, and they are yours))) You all should get together and live happily ever after :) "

.... are you ok, Riddler?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 11:21
".... are you ok, Riddler?"

Feeling great thanx, mermaid :) I was just observing your funny talking between each other, boy, it is a lot of fun. You are so keen on each other, Phantom even wants hot porn with The Seer after marrying to cartoon girls!!!! LOL When you like hot porn with Legeon, the set would be complete.

Does somebody wants a hot porn with Anette btw? Since she acts like some retired porn star at times, I bet some of you would like to have a test drive with her )))

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 12:45
The Riddler said:

"I was just observing your funny talking between each other, boy, it is a lot of fun. You are so keen on each other, Phantom even wants hot porn with The Seer after marrying to cartoon girls.."

Funny talking between each other? This is how you seen it?
And as for Phantom and Seer i think you are mistaken there - it is actually Seer who has his heart broken.

As for Legeon and me - we are both girls and Legeon is even engaged. :-)

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 13:14
TheRiddler
"Phantom even wants hot porn with The Seer after marrying to cartoon girls!!!! LOL"

It was the Seer who would like a foursome with me, Snowhite and Cinderella XD

Mermaid just likes to bash me (and I like to bash her too of course, in return) , you think it's a sign of affection? XD

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 13:31
"Funny talking between each other? This is how you seen it?
And as for Phantom and Seer i think you are mistaken there - it is actually Seer who has his heart broken."

Yep, I see it very funny to see you fight with each other in such ways )))) You people rock, great entertainment. Well, I pity The Seer and his broken heart but I do not think Phantom is really against him, he just teasing him, you know playing hard to get :)))

And mermaid, I know you and Legeon are girls, but sometimes girls engage into lesbian relationships.;)) Well, since you are not eager to do so, when never mind.

"It was the Seer who would like a foursome with me, Snowhite and Cinderella XD
Mermaid just likes to bash me (and I like to bash her too of course, in return) , you think it's a sign of affection? XD "

But you didn't objected, instead suggested hot porn with The Seer, so it was you who mentioned hot porn :))) Yes, I think it may be a sign of closeted affection, you know like bashing songs like BBB and MPG can be a sign of affection or jealousy of Tuomas towards some Finnish singer :P

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:15
@The Riddler

Well,as mermaid said,i'm girl.An engaged one too...
But i don't deny i don't have...impulses :)

But my fiancee doesn't want to hear about it...Not even to discuss the possibility.
From all the men in this planet,i have the ONLY one that hates girl-on-girl scenes.Weird :P

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:26
ps.I meant "i don't deny i have impulses".

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:27
TheRiddler
"But you didn't objected, instead suggested hot porn with The Seer, so it was you who mentioned hot porn :))) Yes, I think it may be a sign of closeted affection, you know like bashing songs like BBB and MPG can be a sign of affection or jealousy of Tuomas towards some Finnish singer :P"

LOL . I said that I think The Seer would like to have some hot homo sex with me. Perhaps I'm wrong and it's just my big ego, you know. But, I didn't say IF I would agree to have hot porn with him :P

"I do not think Phantom is really against him, he just teasing him"
I have been too nasty with him and mermaid sometimes XD , but I decided to be a good boy now .

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:41
The Riddler said: "Does somebody wants a hot porn with Anette btw? Since she acts like some retired porn star at times, I bet some of you would like to have a test drive with her )))"

Wrathchild. He's the biggest Anette's fan here. He thinks her to be a hot chick with a great rock voice and a lot of talent whose priority #1 is OF CORSE Nightwish.

Phantom said: "Mermaid just likes to bash me (and I like to bash her too of course, in return) , you think it's a sign of affection? XD "

I think it is. Your affection towards mermaid. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:44
"But my fiancee doesn't want to hear about it...Not even to discuss the possibility.
From all the men in this planet,i have the ONLY one that hates girl-on-girl scenes.Weird :P"

@Legeon, good girl. Shame on your boyfriend :P . I wouldn't mind, for example ;)

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:45
legeon,

you still may change your boyfriend, you know.
In your 20 years you are way too young to get married and
it is always a good suggestion to tell you that you have a RIGHT and a DUTY to live your crazy times before you will get settled.

Otherwise it might happen that you will chnage your mind and want to have some cryzy times AFTER you get married and (what is even worse) with kids.

And THAT never yielded possitive results.

After all, there are many nice boys in this world - why to stick just with one? :-))

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 14:58
Mermaid: sorry if I dare to interfere
"After all, there are many nice boys in this world - why to stick just with one? :-))"
Now that's the right spirit! But I was wondering, what about a certain thing called "love"? ;)

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:05
Seer said:

"I think it is. Your affection towards mermaid"

Any logic behind this?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:10
mermaid you are taking way too much responsibility on your shoulders by saying that to Legeon.

@Legeon: I cracked up just imagining this: you invite mermaid to the wedding ceremony and when the priest says "If anyone knows a reason for these two not to get married speak now or be silent forever" and then mermaid stands up and holds one of her speeches we all here know very well. XD XD XD XD

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:16
mermaid said: "Any logic behind this?"

No logic. Only intuition.

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:19
Mermaid: He is saying that I <3 you , lol

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:19
@mermaid

My impulses are far less strong than my feelings.
Or the fact that i found the only one person in the planet who's my exact match.

Plato used to say that when the world was created,people on the earth were one complete unit.But gods became jealous of it and split these people in two.
So they condemned humans to wander around the world searching for their other half...
I have found my other half.

Anyway,i may have some impulses,but as far as he satisfies me when it comes to the sex part of the relationship(i believe i gave you his opinion some days ago),i don't have a problem.
Besides,his denial isn't because he doesn't want me to be satisfied,but because he gets hurt.He thinks that i am not satisfied with him,that's why i have these thoughts.
Which is hardly close to the truth.

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:25
@TheSeer

"I cracked up just imagining this: you invite mermaid to the wedding ceremony and when the priest says "If anyone knows a reason for these two not to get married speak now or be silent forever" and then mermaid stands up and holds one of her speeches we all here know very well. XD XD XD XD "

Thank God we don't have that part in Greek Orthodox weddings :)

@mermaid

There may be many nice guys in the world,but that's not the point.I didn't not get in that relationship just for the sake of being in one.
The point is that i am with him,he's with me.And that's it.
It may be a little hard to understand that because of how relationships are nowadays,but it's the truth.
And as i said,not only we love each other,but we are the same.
Liking the same things with your partner is important,but what's even more important is to want the same things from a relationship,and this is hard to find.

You know what's funny?
I met him through a mutual friend,and we started talking through MSN.We were asking questions to each other,about life or interests or relationships...
When he answered i thought that someone was playing a game with me.Because he gave the answers i wanted to hear.And actually believing them.

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:32
"Plato used to say that when the world was created,people on the earth were one complete unit.But gods became jealous of it and split these people in two.
So they condemned humans to wander around the world searching for their other half... "

Plato thinks sex is overrated :D
;)

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:34
@mermaid

To close this topic:

I get irritated when people say that "there are other men too",because no,for me there aren't.

Take as an example Tuomas.He has said how his ideal partner would be...He gave all the info and the examples of how he wants her to be...And she doesn't exist :)

For me my ideal partner exists.The person that i has imagined and wanted.
Imagine my surprise and gratefulness when i found him :)

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:39
Legeon said:

"Or the fact that i found the only one person in the planet who's my exact match. "
_____________________
well, you were not searching for a long time, were you?

You are TWENTY. Supposing you were a good girl and did not start to search for a man immediately after you have been born, then you searched how many? two years? three years?

Do not be so rushed - there is still a lot of years to come.

I spent my young years (this sounds really strange) travelling, entertaining, studing, enjoying things.

And I am not sorry for that. When I see my ex-schoolfriends TIED to their families, being JEALOUS on me for my freedom...

:-) I explained that to CanuckFan somewhere here already - you might have everything BUT NOT in the same time.

And that is what I am doing with my life - I am trying to have EVERYTHING. So far I managed to get it. .-)

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:40
@Phantom

I just gave an example about "other halfs".
That doesn't mean that i agree with whatever Plato said.

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:40
Seer,

I am taking no responsibility at all... that is why I am a mermaid.

As for my speeches - what did you mean by that exactly???

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:41
Legeon said:

"And as i said,not only we love each other,but we are the same. "
________________________________
and that might be even true, Legeon. TODAY.

But people are living creatures, they CHANGE, evolve, learn and - to put it short -
in time you two will be DIFFERENT.

There are still experiences waiting for you - the same goes with him.

To stick with him is one thing - but to get marreid in such a young age is something completely different.

That is a liability which a bit too big in that stage.

And, honestly, I do not understand - why such a hurry? Why you tow can not juts wait some more years? Are you afraid of freedom?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:48
@Legeon , I was kidding ;) , and the "platonic love" is much more complex than its common meaning, isn't it? I don't remember too much of that sadly.

going back to Nightwish (we were talking about Nightwish, right) I read an interview with Maestro recently and I think Mermaid could find it interesting

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:54
Phantom said: "Mermaid: He is saying that I <3 you , lol"

Well at least I think that you do have a heart. Mermaid thinks you don't have a heart. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:58
@mermaid

You're talking like my fiancee and my relationship is a prison.

After 2 years with him,i know better.We have exactly the relationship we want:emotional but relaxed to.We have a great time together,because he's not just my boyfriend,but my best friend too.He's the only person i have so much fun,and it's a plus we like and want the same things.

I was never that free,even when i was single and with girls for friends.
The only commitment is that about loyalty,but that's it.
And some impulses don't count as a reason to leave him.Because i know pretty well that if i ask him seriously,he will accept.Just to make me happy.
But i also have the impulse to leave my University to go to Sweden and stalk my favorite singer(and no,this isn't a irony for Olzon,i'm actually talking about another singer) but that doesn't mean that my studies are a prison and i must leave them.

One of the 10 basic principles of Economics,is that people have to choose between two opposite things.Which means that you have to sacrifice something in order to have something else.
And i am willing to sacrifice some left-from-teenage impulses in order to be happy for the rest of life.

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 15:59
@mermaid

We aren't getting married THAT soon you know.We first want to finish our studies and have a regular job.

But we plan it many years before,because it's just a big thing.

But i don't think i'll be married until 5 more years or so.

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:01
how passionate are we again...

- I think that Seer with his lust made us.

Anyway, I never was attracted by a female. And if my boyfriend would ever come with 2 on one idea, he will knows FOR SURE how does it feel to have my nails in his eyes. Territorial like hell.

For me it is as I said already: Tall boys with bass voices. Voice of Ville Valo always made my knees melted (and not just knees have been effected, I might tell you)

Maestro´s white chest of wonders does not attract me at all. It look to me as made froma cottage cheese - and I never was getting excited while shopping in dairy production area.

Do not get me wrong - I do not stand for men like Arnold Schwarzeneger - a mountains of muscles. Brr.

On the other hand men are expected to have SOME muscles. Ville Valo has a beautiful voice and his green eyes are deadly attractive, but his body is a body of 11-12 years old child.

Maestro used to have some nice muscles, if I remember right.
So, I am as traditional as you might get. :-) Men is supposed to be a man - woman a woman.

And if it comes to imagination - 2 on one only if we speak of two MEN and ONE woman.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:03
mermaid said: "As for my speeches - what did you mean by that exactly???"

I meant this:

==============================================
"well, you were not searching for a long time, were you?

You are TWENTY. Supposing you were a good girl and did not start to search for a man immediately after you have been born, then you searched how many? two years? three years?

Do not be so rushed - there is still a lot of years to come.

I spent my young years (this sounds really strange) travelling, entertaining, studing, enjoying things.

And I am not sorry for that. When I see my ex-schoolfriends TIED to their families, being JEALOUS on me for my freedom...

:-) I explained that to CanuckFan somewhere here already - you might have everything BUT NOT in the same time.

And that is what I am doing with my life - I am trying to have EVERYTHING. So far I managed to get it. .-)"
========================================

and this:

========================================
"and that might be even true, Legeon. TODAY.

But people are living creatures, they CHANGE, evolve, learn and - to put it short -
in time you two will be DIFFERENT.

There are still experiences waiting for you - the same goes with him.

To stick with him is one thing - but to get marreid in such a young age is something completely different.

That is a liability which a bit too big in that stage.

And, honestly, I do not understand - why such a hurry? Why you tow can not juts wait some more years? Are you afraid of freedom?"
========================================

etc.

I imagined you saying that in the church at Legeon's wedding ceremony and I cracked up.

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:07
Legeon said:

"We aren't getting married THAT soon you know.We first want to finish our studies and have a regular job. "
______________________________
Finally, you are talking some sense. I am really relieved now.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:14
Seer,

ah, ok. I thought you mean some of my other speeches - like the one I had on the international law topic today.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:15
Seer said:

"Well at least I think that you do have a heart. Mermaid thinks you don't have a heart. :-p"
_____________________________
Mermaid thinks that Phantom does not have also other things, not just a heart.
:-P

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:17
@mermaid

"Voice of Ville Valo always made my knees melted (and not just knees have been effected, I might tell you) "

Oh i agree with you here.Not on the Ville part(but the truth is that i liked him TOO MUCH when i was 15)but on the bass voice part and that about some muscles but not that much.

There's the perfect combination and it's called Mats Leven.

Search for the "Siren Of the Woods" by Therion,live in Celebrators Of Becoming DVD.
Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inQZzVPXGQU

or Lemuria In Live Gothic DVD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbdNkb8lcw

I really love this man's voice...He can scream hard-rock style,but he can sing a ballad and make you wanna cry...
And his appearance... :)

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:19
"I imagined you saying that in the church at Legeon's wedding ceremony and I cracked up."

LOL
Isn't weird discussing about Legeon private life under a Nightwish news XD?

Mermaid: "Maestro used to have some nice muscles, if I remember right. "

When he was geeky he had muscles, really?

Mermaid, Valo is not a too manly guy, I'm surprised you find him attractive.

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:22
"And if it comes to imagination - 2 on one only if we speak of two MEN and ONE woman. "

Kinky! :P

What about me and TheSeer and you? LOL

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:23
@mermaid

And of course the epic one:

Draconian Trilogy by Therion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qCworYMX_E&feature=related

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:26
more over to that topic:

... a deep voice mumbling in to my ear some sweet (or even cheeky) words, strong male arms around me, heavy body close to me...

:-)))

that is my weakness. Only one I know about. :-)

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:32
We enjoyed in butchering Maestro's private life and now everything is returning to us. From very ourselves! We are butchering ourselves. :-p

@Tero: you should start betting here on MFF as to who is going to fall apart first: Nightwish or The Demolition Crew. :-D

MFF Staff: I think both Nightwish and Demolition Crew keeps going on strong :D It would be cool though to start taking bets about it...

Tero
MFF

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:33
Legeon,

i know Therion and have some CDs at home as well, though I did not listen to them for a while..

I also like 69 eyes, because of vocalist´s voice. (not appearance)

I read some explanation that the bass voice is caused by quantity of testosteron, which means that our attention is attracted on purely biological level. (Good quality spearms around)

But as for me - I like it on some let us say esthetical level as well. Like you like a picture, or rainbow.

(Though, it was some fashion magazine - so it could be true. Or not at all for that matter.)

I just like it. And in the same time my knees get melted. :-)

Which is not a contradiction.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:42
"But my fiancee doesn't want to hear about it...Not even to discuss the possibility.
From all the men in this planet,i have the ONLY one that hates girl-on-girl scenes.Weird :P"

Oh, Legeon you talk like a hot babe, you know. Really, no sarcasm ))) But I'm glad you believe in love. It is nice that girls nowdays still believe in love and feelings ))

"I said that I think The Seer would like to have some hot homo sex with me. Perhaps I'm wrong and it's just my big ego, you know. But, I didn't say IF I would agree to have hot porn with him :P"

Perhaps yes it is just your ego then. BIG ego as you said ;). I smell some Freudian subtext here, lol .Also the fact that it was YOU who thought The Seer would like that hot sex with you is Freudian thing.

"I have been too nasty with him and mermaid sometimes XD , but I decided to be a good boy now ."

Well, being good is good. However mermaid thus will lose hope to get some spankies from you :))))))

"Wrathchild. He's the biggest Anette's fan here. He thinks her to be a hot chick with a great rock voice and a lot of talent whose priority #1 is OF CORSE Nightwish."

Ooooooh, sexual perversions do exist O_o

"going back to Nightwish (we were talking about Nightwish, right) I read an interview with Maestro recently and I think Mermaid could find it interesting"

Yep, we were talking about NW. Interview with Maestro? I'm also interested!!! Let me guess, he talks he is so happy, never been so happy in his life, they all are so happy together, one big family and he has super plans for future am I right? ))

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:43
Seer said:

"We enjoyed in butchering Maestro's private life and now everything is returning to us. From very ourselves! We are butchering ourselves. :-p

@Tero: you should start betting here on MFF as to who is going to fall apart first: Nightwish or The Demolition Crew. :-D"
____________________________
what nonsense are you talking about??

1) Maestro has NO private life.
2) Where do you think you are going? You will stay here with us a you promised today.
Do not get jealous ust because we (me and Legeon) are discussing our fantasies for a while.
We, after all, behaved all the time properly. Some little break is a good idea.

You have been flirting with Pahnom NO end and we did not tell you a word. Honey.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:47
"more over to that topic:

... a deep voice mumbling in to my ear some sweet (or even cheeky) words, strong male arms around me, heavy body close to me...

:-)))

that is my weakness. Only one I know about. :-)"

An heavy body? :D
You should go for Peter Steele, then

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:51
"It would be cool though to start taking bets about it..."

Tero, than I bet on Demolition Crew ! The members of DC are sometimes totally crazy, but at least they do not pretend to be one happy family and they do demolition thingy for pure fun, not for money/fame just to fake later that it is for the purity of music!

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 16:58
mermaid said: "2) Where do you think you are going? You will stay here with us a you promised today."

I know what I promised. I promised not to leave as long as Phantom is here and as long as I have at least one arm in function. Phantom is here, my other arm is OK, so there's no need to worry that I'm to leave.

My injury and surgery made me think about the life - should destroying NW be my #1 priority?

TheSeer wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:03
@mermaid

Since you know Therion tell me what you think of Mats...

Legeon wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:06
Well, I think I explained already that i never did any bodybuilding.
So, it may come strange to those of you who are used to women, who exercize by lifting one man in every hand

but my boyfriends have always been stronger then me. What I always considered to be completely normal.
Let me put it this way: when we argued and I pushed my boyfriend - hell, it was like to try to move a wall.

I might imagine that life with little and light male could be easier in a way -
for those reasons I chose Shi-tzu for my dog (whenever came with his own decisions about the direction we were going I ust could lift him and put it under my arm or into a bag)

But unfortunately, these guys do not atract me at all.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:09
The Riddler:

Everybody believes in love. Or at least hopes in love.
That is not so special, Riddler.

Actually, as for your name - Tom Marvolo Riddle was Lord Voldemort.
What kind of nasty surprise are you hiding, Riddler?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:11
what does "spankies" mean?

Actually, Tero, what Jaussi told in his second finish sentence? I managed only the first one.

Thanks.

MFF Staff: I am too lazy to check previous posts so please post it here and I will reply :)

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:19
The Riddler:
I'm glad you recognize my big ego. This boosts me somehow, you know. :P

"I smell some Freudian subtext here, lol .Also the fact that it was YOU who thought The Seer would like that hot sex with you is Freudian thing. "

Oh well, Freud talked about a lot of interesting things. He had too much fantasy though.
I did not "disclosure" myself as etherosexual, homosexual , bisexual, trisexual or asexual. I could be anything. Once again, I suppose that's not the right place to show off with my HUGE ego ;)

"Well, being good is good. However mermaid thus will lose hope to get some spankies from you :)))"
She will provoke me sooner or later, you'll see ;)

Mermaid said: "
You have been flirting with Pahnom NO end and we did not tell you a word. Honey."

See? She's already jealous ;)

"Yep, we were talking about NW. Interview with Maestro? I'm also interested!!! Let me guess, he talks he is so happy, never been so happy in his life, they all are so happy together, one big family and he has super plans for future am I right? ))"

Not really. They asked him about the (in)famous question "What's your ideal woman" . He was talking about he could fall in love with any girl, she doesn't have to be necessairly blonde, brunette or red or something like that.
You know, Mermaid was interested in the subject "Maestro's ideal woman" .
I will find it and post it here

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:24
I do notr know Legeon,

for that Therion guy.

I like dark hairs and just love green eyes. Brown are also good.

Being BLOND and with blue eyes - then it is quite logical. No moustache, naturally. :-))

But I do not know about this Therion guy - teoretically he is "my type". But in fact...

Is he tall enough?

I am 167 cm tall, since my 13 years I am wearing heels. They are about 10 cm high - if you add that, then in order not to see just a top of man´s head he must be at least 180 cm high.
As I recall my boyfriends were 186 cm high and more :-)

Hour glass shape of body.

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:25
Mermaid, "spankies" comes from "to spank"

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:32
Tero,

thinking about todays topics, their diversity and also on a fact that some of them have been meant for matured audience only,

seems to me that you had quite an interesting day with us today.

BTW - have you seen the Britain´s got talent winners? The Diversity dance group?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtwVfJqBfms&feature=fvst
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPcGy77Gru8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdTWC8Xbbms

MFF Staff: Those dancing things are really not my cup of tea but I gotta hand it to them...they are damn good!

I accidentally accepted that finnish sentence you sent...well it is one of our finnish dialects called Savo and loosely translated it would mean "Should we start talking savo?"

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:32
The Riddler said:

"The members of DC are sometimes totally crazy,"

Thank you , Riddler, you are actually flattering me...

Hanta rimbevë!

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:35
Jaussi said:

"Vae ruvettasko viäntämmään savvoo?"

meaning?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:43
"Everybody believes in love. Or at least hopes in love.
That is not so special, Riddler.
Actually, as for your name - Tom Marvolo Riddle was Lord Voldemort.
What kind of nasty surprise are you hiding, Riddler?"

Not everybody unfortunately, cuttie pie (( A lot of girls now seem to date guys only cause those guys have big houses, cars, iPods and you know stuff like that and even vice versa. Or girls and guys think that there is nor responsibility in this world and they change their date mates like the gloves, no love, only sex as a sort of sport and carelessness. So it is nice to see a girl with real feeling )))

My nick came from the title of NW's song from Oceanborn. Maybe you heard of it, lol. I have nothing to do with Lord Voldemort, he is such a loser, I do not like Harry Potter series to tell you more )))

"I'm glad you recognize my big ego. This boosts me somehow, you know. :P"

So this satisfies you....nice)))

"Once again, I suppose that's not the right place to show off with my HUGE ego ;)"

Yeah, not right place, some teenage fans of New NW might get shocked))). You better show us photo of your HUGE ago somewhere else, LOL :P

"She will provoke me sooner or later, you'll see ;)"

I hope so, I'm here for entertainment after all.

"He was talking about he could fall in love with any girl, she doesn't have to be necessairly blonde, brunette or red or something like that."

And could he love bold girl? Or girl with a beard? LOL

The Riddler wrote on 07.09.2009 at 17:46
Oh, Riddler,

you have got it wrong.
For one: sex might be a sport but a woman it never gets as much satisfaction as if it is with a man she loves.

And let us put this one thing straight: if it is not with man you actually love, why to bother? Dildo does do the job more efficiently and is much less messy.

As for "spankies" - you have got mistaken there, too. It was not me who cried on Tero´s shoulder last time we (Legeon and me) played with
Phantom....

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 18:36
The Riddler said:

"He was talking about he could fall in love with any girl, she doesn't have to be necessairly blonde, brunette or red or something like that."
__________________________________
.... if so, why is he still hesitating? What is he waiting for?
No girls around him at all?

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 18:50
Riddler,

you could see for yourself in
http://metalfromfinland.com/news/2009-08-27_09:45/nightwish_performs_in_finnish_castle_photos_report_available

:-)

Tero,

a teddy bear? I checked toys my little tiger has at home - no teddy bear available.

Many spiders and strange things with long legs.

Either you will accept an explanation that it is due to our being Gothic,

or you could accept an explanation that long legs on toys alove him to catch thing with his small mouth with almost no teeths..

But in fact both is true. My dog always cared for a style. :-)))

Anyway, enough for today.
hauskaa iltaa!

mermaid wrote on 07.09.2009 at 19:06
Riddler:
"Yeah, not right place, some teenage fans of New NW might get shocked))). You better show us photo of your HUGE ago somewhere else, LOL :P "

Don't provoke my ego! :P And we don't want to transform this place into "Porn from Finland" , am I right? ;)

See? Mermaid has already started to provoke me? ;)
But I'll resist

"And could he love bold girl? Or girl with a beard? LOL "
No I'm sorry, he didn't mention bold girls or with a beard. I hope you are not one of those ;) (if you are a girl, I have no idea) .
Quote from the interview:

" Do you remember your first love?
Tuomas: Yes, when I fell in love for the first time I was 14 and I've waited two more years for my first kiss. Quite late.

Could I ask you something intimate?
Tuomas: Yes sure

How old you were when you did it for the first time?
Tuomas: 18. We were together for several months but later we broke up. I have only nice memories about her.

Who is the woman of your dreams?
Tuomas: hard question..maybe someone like Cristina Ricci in Sleepy Hollow . However I don't believe in "an ideal woman" . I fell in love with blondes, brunettes, tall or short girls. It doesn't really matter, love is something that just happens.."

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 19:39
"if so, why is he still hesitating? What is he waiting for?
No girls around him at all?"

Maybe he is not hesitating at all? Lol

Oh well, Mermaid you think Maestro has not a private life. It's useless to convince you that even Maestro might have a girlfriend from time to time. XD
I'll drop the war-axe :P

Phantom wrote on 07.09.2009 at 19:42
Lol, she tried to replace Tarja and now she thinks she can also succed in the Pop world? Well, her voice is made for pop surely, since she sucks at singing metal...w/e, i think it's to soon, she can't even manage her voice correctly...

Alvaro wrote on 07.09.2009 at 22:27
"For one: sex might be a sport but a woman it never gets as much satisfaction as if it is with a man she loves.
And let us put this one thing straight: if it is not with man you actually love, why to bother? Dildo does do the job more efficiently and is much less messy.
As for "spankies" - you have got mistaken there, too. It was not me who cried on Tero´s shoulder last time we (Legeon and me) played with
Phantom...."

Didlo is not alive and not move that good, like real dude,and for some girls it is like matter of pride to fuck a lot of guys, like their victory list. The same goes with guys. But I'm for love and relationships based on love. That's why I think Legeon is nice girl. She knows what love is.
Nope, sweetie, you'll surely would like to get spankies from Phantom, you already provoke him :).

"Don't provoke my ego! :P And we don't want to transform this place into "Porn from Finland" , am I right? ;) "

Didn't The Se(x)er, mermaid and you already turn it into "Erotica from Finland"? Well, no, we do not want to turn it into Porn from Finland ))).

"No I'm sorry, he didn't mention bold girls or with a beard. I hope you are not one of those ;) (if you are a girl, I have no idea) . "

Oh, what a shame that I'm not bold, do not have a beard, and I'm not a girl. But hey, if Tuomas is ready to love anything of any hair colour, maybe he would love Fatty Nettie Olzon? Just imagine, the big surprise at the Hartwall gig- Tuomas announces he is getting married to Anette!!!!!!Sweeeeeeeeeeeet.

The riddler wrote on 08.09.2009 at 01:08
OK, this is getting too funny to NOT participate in.

@Mermaid: Re."I read some explanation that the bass voice is caused by quantity of testosteron, which means that our attention is attracted on purely biological level. (Good quality spearms around)"

Yes, this I'd agree that this is an evolutionary thing. After all when we were cavemen, a cavewoman probably wouldn't have felt too safe with a caveman who spoke in a falsetto! Anthropologically, I think this was part of a larger system of survival mechanisms.

"spearms " - LOL!

Perhaps each woman is attracted to men who possess qualities that make them feel safe. I have no idea what about the "White Chest of Wonders" would make me feel particularly safe, yet as I've said in another thread, I'd gladly lick chocolate sauce off of it anyday.

@ The Riddler, @Phantom, @Mermaid: "Spankies" - not an English word, but I think it definitely should be! This made my day! This is why I keep coming here.

CanuckFan wrote on 08.09.2009 at 04:11
@ Mermaid

Re. "And let us put this one thing straight: if it is not with man you actually love, why to bother? Dildo does do the job more efficiently and is much less messy. "

Agree 100%! Party on, girlfriend!!

CanuckFan wrote on 08.09.2009 at 05:11
Jimmie: Do our comments somehow keep you from enjoying NW since you seem so bothered by them? :-O Well, I didn't know that we are so powerful after all!

See, I can totally empathise with some of you at least. I tried to be loyal to NW - I really tried - but even if I had beaten myself with a hammer, this couldn't have changed my increasingly negative view of NW's music, my falling out of love with them. I just realised I DO NOT ENJOY Anette's voice, and the music wasn't as exciting as I had HOPED, either. I was DISAPPOINTED. And I realised I could not convince myself into liking something that I just don't. I actually CARED. I still care, that's why I'm still here.

Although, I can see that the instrumental version has a lot of advantages to the regular version:

- no Anette
- no Marco
- no silly lyrics
- additional instruments
- instrumental music is just cool in general

Remove the songs written or co-written by Emppu or Marco, and you get 100% Maestro. I guess DPP can't get any better. If the next NW album is fully instrumental, I'd even consider buying it. Because instrumental music is known to sell badly, so I will accept that it's no commercial pop rock crap.

LizLunatic: Before Tarja was fired, it was not publicly known that Tuomas hated Marcelo, either. Nor were arguments in the band publicly known.

Jimmie: We do have the rights to criticise and mock anyone we like, thankfully. It's called free speech. I know people who are musicians themselves, have their own bands, and can't stand Anette or new NW at all, but love old NW.

Phantom: Yes, I think it's a sign of deep affection.

TheSeer: "No logic. Only intuition." I suppose this is what makes discussions with fangirls so hard, LOL! Too bad that they don't even know what intuition is - they only don't have logic.

mermaid: It's true that Tuomas's ideal woman can have any hair colour - but she must be perfect. That's the problem. And docile. Like the android I posted on another article. :-D

@Tero: Doesn't every member and ex-member of NW talk Savo dialect - except Anette, of course?

Almagest wrote on 08.09.2009 at 05:49
Riddler said:

"Didn't The Se(x)er, mermaid and you already turn it into "Erotica from Finland"? Well, no, we do not want to turn it into Porn from Finland ))). "
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No, Riddler,
nobody of us does represent Finland on account of not being Finish.
The only Finish view on this subect is Maestro´s who actually believes that sex is overrated...

What might correspond with global belief of us, other nations that Finish are "cold-blooded"...
(Though, to be cold-blooded is not just about sex.)

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 09:46
CanuckFan said:

"this I'd agree that this is an evolutionary thing. After all when we were cavemen, a cavewoman probably wouldn't have felt too safe with a caveman who spoke in a falsetto!"
________________________________

I can not stop laugh... and I must tell you I would better stop, because I look like crazy now..!

As a matter of fact: "a caveman who spoke in a falsetto!"?
I would say that would be rather safe, because any wild animal with some self-respect would never ever attack a thing talking in falsetto!

What if it would be sick (rabies ..) - or what is even worse for every alfa-male animal - what if that think would be GAY??

(Sorry, Seer, I could not help myself here)

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 09:53
CanuckFan,

your comment made my day today, sure

"I have no idea what about the "White Chest of Wonders" would make me feel particularly safe, yet as I've said in another thread, I'd gladly lick chocolate sauce off of it anyday. "

When I talked about white chest of wonders looking as if built from chottage cheese, I did not mean the color. I meant consistency.

On the other hand - cottage cheese with chocolate is not too bad - hence your answer. You are fan of dairy products...

That just mean that safety feelings are not the only one to motivate us...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 09:57
On account of that "falsetto" issue - (I am still laughing) THNX, CanuckFan,

our neighbouring nation has in one radio station commentators as follows: female with deep voice and male with falsetto(!). I KNOW that it is not a proof that that guy is a gay, but he better would be... the sound of those too speaking together is just FUNNY....

And speaking about fanny sounds: have you ever seen (hear) one of that american movies with big strong men - like Arnold Schwarzeneger, for example

have you ever heard that translated to French??

It is worth that, really!

First, whenever you have this: "Fuc* off, you bastrad, I will kill you"... etc staff
you have something completely different in French -
and do not ask me why - in falsetto!

What made all this heavy american guys immediately sounding completely gay...

Sorry, Seer.

But we had some really hard laughing thanks to that.

Once one belgian man told me that he saw japanese movie, where some man talked in very angry, agressive voice to a woman (barked on her)
- and then he found out that the man in question was in fact expressing his love to her... well, what would you expect, love does not come easy to japanese males..

Anyway, action movie translated to French language is the best.

I am talking about that, because you, CanuckFan could have the same experience, on account of being Canadian...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 10:17
Legeon,

something like year ago I read somewhere on web discussions of people, who tried that combinations we mentioned here yesterday (2+1)
and I remember that women there, who actually initiated it, complained that it was not a good idea at all.

Either they boyfriends started to cheat on them with the other other participiant of their common sexual experiences,
OR they started to suspect their boyfriends that they do cheat on them ... etc.
In almost all cases they broke in the end.
Only one woman was safisfied - but she clearly stated that she chose her ex-schoolfriend who lived more then 300 km far from them and made sure that her boyfriend did not get any contact on her (mobil, mail, etc)

So, looks like quite dangerous thing to do.

As for the other combination: 2 men + 1 woman -
surprisingly rare..

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 10:24
CanuckFan:

"After all when we were cavemen, a cavewoman probably wouldn't have felt too safe with a caveman who spoke in a falsetto! "
______________________________________
My ex came with an explanation why he just MUST snore like a big fat old completely drunk polar bear...

He said that cavemen were supposed to snore like that in order to protect kids and women against the attack of wild animals...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 10:59
Riddler said:

"Didlo is not alive and not move that good, like real dude"
________________________________
sorry, Riddler, but that is what magazines and TV tell in order to make males feel better about this thing...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 11:01
And, Riddler,

for that part about "dildo not moving that good" -
have you seen the one that does
- vibrate and
- rotate and
- pulse,
and you have an option to join these functions as you wish
and all this in 9 different speeds?

Not to mention that it can continue while the batteries are charged, what is about 6 hours if I remember right..?

Just curious.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 11:06
And as for being a good girl - I never was any. Neither I did date "good" boys.

For one: they are very predictable,
For two: they are boring
for three (and most important thing): I always felt attract to men I looked up to. And not just in physical point of view.
Not my fault I never looked up to a good boy...

I really sometimes do not understand the preffered qualities here - I would say that it sounds to me like being in a church school,
but as far as I did teach in a church school and I am absolutely sure we never asked for those qualities, i just do not get you, guys.

I saw Almagest to discuss a Diva matter somewhere.
Being "Diva" is NOT a negative valuation. It is just a description.

On the other hand - being "humble"? I never saw anybody trying to achieve this - except of NW, off course.

There are other things I do not understand at all. But just an example.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 11:53
The Riddler
"Oh, what a shame that I'm not bold, do not have a beard, and I'm not a girl. But hey, if Tuomas is ready to love anything of any hair colour, maybe he would love Fatty Nettie Olzon? Just imagine, the big surprise at the Hartwall gig- Tuomas announces he is getting married to Anette!!!!!!Sweeeeeeeeeeeet."

You are even more cruel than the rest of the crew LOL.
Well you know, Tarja's fangirls want him married to Tarja, Anette fangirls want him married to sweet Nettie. Which side would you prefer?
I believe Tuomas would kill himself after 10 minutes spent with Anette blabbing about clothes and stuff. At least I would.

Mermaid: "I read some explanation that the bass voice is caused by quantity of testosteron, which means that our attention is attracted on purely biological level. (Good quality spearms around)"

The bass male voice is due to the shape of the larynx , the Adam's apple. Obviously this is due to the testosterone level during puberty. I doubt it's directly related.
I read quality of the sperm is affected by pollution. You should aim to country boys rather than city men. :D

Almagest: "t's true that Tuomas's ideal woman can have any hair colour - but she must be perfect. That's the problem. And docile"
Damn you ! ;) I was trying to be serious about it and you ruin everything :P .
On a more serious note, you don't need perfect girlfriends and ideal women for occasional short-relationships and to have fun XD
What do you think, Mermaid ?

Talking about dildos.It's not the same for men, those fake vaginas or sex-dolls are boring. XD

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 12:31
"nobody of us does represent Finland on account of not being Finish."

Cup cake, I didn't tell you that you all were Finish ))) I told that you with your talks turned that place to "Erotica from Finland" not "Metal from Finland" ))) Next stop is "Porn from Finland".

"sorry, Riddler, but that is what magazines and TV tell in order to make males feel better about this thing..."

Well, you seem to watch lots of TV programmes about didlos, sweetie ))) May be it is fetish. I'm really afraid for the Phantom to be honest. Fancy that your fangirling about didlos could be unpleasent to his HUGE ego! )))

"for that part about "dildo not moving that good" -
have you seen the one that does
- vibrate and
- rotate and
- pulse,
and you have an option to join these functions as you wish
and all this in 9 different speeds?
Not to mention that it can continue while the batteries are charged, what is about 6 hours if I remember right..?"

Ducky, you surely use a lot of didlos, I already understood that. Perhaps you even use all these kinds of didlos at the same time. But you know, real love make you continue lovemaking for hours, and you do not have to put batteries to your ass for that :))

"she thinks she can also succed in the Pop world? Well, her voice is made for pop surely, since she sucks at singing metal...w/e, i think it's to soon, she can't even manage her voice correctly...

Alvaro, she is a natural genius and the soul of NW. In fact she should write an open letter to Tuomas and fire him from NW. Don't you think that he can't be compared with her greatness? LOL

The Riddler wrote on 08.09.2009 at 12:38
i really should stop myself on this topic (and anyway, nobody is here today)

but one more comment for you, Riddler:

One famous sexologist said something like two years ago (I watched him on TV because he has just amazing sense of humor)

"Ladies, let me put this one straight .. and I know it is not going to be a good news for you:

It is not to be expected that male penises will ever start to vibrate."

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 12:48
CanuckFan,

a canadian pastry chef. That is interesting.
I can cook like a godess, but I fail with cakes and sweets.

Do you have some special receipe for dummies? But really an easy one - something special but really on begginers level?

I acn pay back by giving you some special receipes, too... What about favourite meal of Saddam Hussein?
It is Iraqui´s national one..

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 13:06
Phantom,

"You are even more cruel than the rest of the crew"

Riddler is NOT a member of the crew.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 13:08
CanuckFan,

your desire for licking chocolate from white chest of wonders...
It is just a thought, but the fact that you are a pastry chef -

could not this to be a clue, too...?

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 13:11
Ah, ah, ah, Riddler,

this is not about me, but about catalogues I read. Or do not you even know that Dildos are standard offer even in Quelle catalogue?

What I put here was just complitely normal product description. :-P

But let me guess - you would be most probably a male.
You know, males and shopping... that never yields any possitive result.

"In fact she should write an open letter to Tuomas and fire him from NW."

That is really true. Princess should do that. Before he will manage to corrupt her career with his laziness and recklessnes.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 13:23
"Talking about dildos.It's not the same for men, those fake vaginas or sex-dolls are boring. XD"

That's an idea. Sex doll can be ideal woman for Tuomas. Finally, a solution! Yaya!!!!!

"Well you know, Tarja's fangirls want him married to Tarja, Anette fangirls want him married to sweet Nettie. Which side would you prefer?
I believe Tuomas would kill himself after 10 minutes spent with Anette blabbing about clothes and stuff. At least I would."

Difficult to say. I mean it is hard to imagine how he could get married to Tarja who is already married woman, specially if she is not allowed to step on his shadow, I do not imagine how she would fulfill her wife's duty )) And concerning marriage to Fatty Nettie, oh, do you dislike Tuomas that much? ))) Oceansoul dudes do not go well with Screamnettes ;)

"One famous sexologist said something like two years ago (I watched him on TV because he has just amazing sense of humor)
Ladies, let me put this one straight .. and I know it is not going to be a good news for you: It is not to be expected that male penises will ever start to vibrate."

Now I get it, that was the day when mermaid gave up on penises! But did penises give up on mermaid? The mystery is still unsolved!)))))

"Riddler is NOT a member of the crew."

See, Phantom, I'm not a true member, I'm not worthy.
I'm doing SOLO stuff, although I'd still tell you that my 1st priority is Demolition crew! :P

The Riddler wrote on 08.09.2009 at 13:43
i just can not resist and as far as this article has in title Madonna and Celine Dion (both Finish and both metal),

I think it even suits here:

Ladies, let me introduce you:

Michael Holbrook Penniman, 26 years old, good looking, tall boy, who can sing.
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPUpxIBkcjM&feature=fvw

and this one is for real fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Gh1U14RZA

:-)) "we are golden"...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 13:53
Riddler said:

"The mystery is still unsolved!))))) "
__________________________________

And it will ever stay that way, Riddler, so there still will be a bee in your bonet..

:-P

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:05
Sorry:

A wee BEE in your bonet.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:06
Riddler said:

"I'm doing SOLO stuff, although I'd still tell you that my 1st priority is Demolition crew! :P "
_________________________________

In which way, Riddler, if I may ask, are we your first priority??

Do you fancy to marry us, join us, date us, bribe us, spoil us... ? Or?

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:09
The Riddler:
"In fact she should write an open letter to Tuomas and fire him from NW. "
That's a good idea. Stab King Holopainen at his back and conquer the throne of Nightwish which will be called Abbawish.
And the old rivality between Finland and Sweden would flare up again LOL. What an apocalyptic scenario .

"Difficult to say. I mean it is hard to imagine how he could get married to Tarja who is already married woman,"

Tuomas writes in MPG "Someday you shall flee panting and weak" . That might be a prophecy!

""Ladies, let me put this one straight .. and I know it is not going to be a good news for you:

It is not to be expected that male penises will ever start to vibrate.""

LOL . So, Mermaid ideal man should have strong arms, strong chest, deep voice and a vibrating penis? XD ;)

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:22
Mermaid: of course I know that The Riddler is not among the Demolition crew. How could I forget the three musketeers? :P
I did a bad choice of words

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:24
Mermaid: wtf Mika?
Is he a male? XD But I like his high-pitched songs .

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:27
Guys,

i cracked myself (is that have you put that?) the second time today already.

First CanuckFan with cavemen talking falzetto
and now Phantom!
__________________
"ideal man should have strong arms, strong chest, deep voice and a vibrating penis?"
__________________

OK, let me put it this way, Phantom, if I would ever meet somebody like you described, Phantom, I will be opened to negotiations...

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:41
And I must admit I would never expect Phantom to be witty..:

"That's a good idea. Stab King Holopainen at his back and conquer the throne of Nightwish which will be called Abbawish.
And the old rivality between Finland and Sweden would flare up again LOL. What an apocalyptic scenario. "

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:43
Legeon, sweetheart,

could you do that for us, please,
and ask this question on Princess forum:

Whether it is true that she (together with other guys) is about to fire Maestro via open letter?

And. Is somebody here who can raise this question in official NW forum?

Let us stir up a hornets nest and see what will happen...
I am, after all, a teacher in Phasical science - we like to experiment.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:58
"this is not about me, but about catalogues I read. Or do not you even know that Dildos are standard offer even in Quelle catalogue? "

I'm not fond of shopping, sweetheart, that's right. And I'm not interested in didlos, unlike you. So I'm afraid didlo is not in my wishlist and I surely wouldn't like too see it under my Xmas tree )))
I think you really should share your thoughts about didlos with Fatty Nettie :) Shopping is her religion and wouldn't we all want to see some nice post from her in her cute blog about didlos and some photos of her with didlo,of cute pink colour with a ribbon?

"And it will ever stay that way, Riddler, so there still will be a bee in your bonet.."

What a pity (( Ah, as long as it is not bee in my phants, it is ok))

"In which way, Riddler, if I may ask, are we your first priority??
Do you fancy to marry us, join us, date us, bribe us, spoil us... ? Or?"

Mermaid, mermaid, I'm upset. I thought you would get the subtext irony and metaphor of my phrase ((( Oh well, I hope someone else gets it )))

"That's a good idea. Stab King Holopainen at his back and conquer the throne of Nightwish which will be called Abbawish.
And the old rivality between Finland and Sweden would flare up again LOL. What an apocalyptic scenario ."

Yep, she should do that. And current NW actually deserves only apocalyptic scenario ))))

"Tuomas writes in MPG "Someday you shall flee panting and weak" . That might be a prophecy! "

So this is what his secret dreams are! First he trashes her, then he writies his secret dreams in his lyrics, and after that he again wants to be friends with her. He is so humble!

The Riddler wrote on 08.09.2009 at 14:59
Actually, Phantom,
speaking of you - how did you like my little poem dedicated to Seer?

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:10
Riddler said:

"wouldn't we all want to see some nice post from her in her cute blog about didlos and some photos of her with didlo,of cute pink colour with a ribbon? "
_____________________________

well, maybe but it will not fit her innocent girlish image she is producing on her blog...
Her blog is not meant for matured audience.
It is meant for kids up to 11 years, very maive teenagers up to 14, saints, and parents of teenagers (but they are included in "saints" already)
_____________________________
"Mermaid, mermaid, I'm upset. I thought you would get the subtext irony and metaphor of my phrase "
_____________________________
Well, do you really think I asked you seriously.?
:-P

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:26
"And I must admit I would never expect Phantom to be witty..: "

Mermaid, I'm full of surprises ;)

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:34
Mermaid:
"Actually, Phantom,
speaking of you - how did you like my little poem dedicated to Seer?"

I told you I'm enchanted by your poetry abilities. You know very well how much poetry turns me on ;)
I partially failed to grasp the meaning of it, what exactly the Seer would find in my eyes? The beauty of the beast? XD
;)

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:42
The Riddler:
"Shopping is her religion and wouldn't we all want to see some nice post from her in her cute blog about didlos and some photos of her with didlo,of cute pink colour with a ribbon? "

Dude, don't write obscenities please XD

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 15:43
OK, let us do some serious work here today:

What about Sisters of mercy, CanuckFan?

Have you heard them? it is an English rock band (gothic rock)
that formed in 1980. The band had their commercial breakthrough in mid-1980s and sustained it until the early 1990s, when they stopped releasing new recorded output as a strike against their record company.
They released three original studio albums, of each album was recorded by a different line-up; singer and songwriter Andrew Eldritch and the drum machines called Doktor Avalanche are the only points of continuity among the line-ups. Eldritch and Avalanche were also involved in The Sisterhood, a side-project connected with Eldritch's dispute with former members.

I am listening their A slight case of overbombing all day long today, but too much fun. I just can not concentrate..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWvOHT0zfXY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4431tIkcac&feature=related

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:27
CanuckFan,

I am stuck with Placebo at the moment. I just love this guys voice - these kind of voices you might get in UK only
and i like the way he looks (and by that I mean STYLE this time)
Placebo are an alternative rock band formed in London in 1994, currently consisting of Brian Molko, Stefan Olsdal and Steve Forrest. To date, they have released six studio albums, six EPs and twenty-seven singles. The band have sold over one million albums in the UK and over ten million worldwide.

Thus far, Placebo are best known for hit songs such as "Nancy Boy", "Pure Morning", "You Don't Care About Us", "Every You Every Me", "The Bitter End", "Twenty Years", "Black-Eyed", "Because I Want You", "Infra-Red", "Meds", and a cover of the Kate Bush song "Running Up That Hill".[3] Their style has varied greatly.

Here, enjoy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbHkwrGgsoA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc2geYFmJlE&feature=channel

And let me know your feedback on today´s topics, please... :-)))

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:37
Phantom said:

"I partially failed to grasp the meaning of it, what exactly the Seer would find in my eyes? "
____________________________________
well, you should ask Seer after he will process required looking into your eyes..

But, it was poem about love, so try to guess... :-))

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:39
Riddler said:
"some photos of her with didlo,of cute pink colour with a ribbon? "
_________________________
actually, not a bad idea - I mean that part about ribbon - she just dropped mic in Russia,
so you never know what she would do without a ribbon dealing with something what has the same shape -
even if it is not the same thing.

Maybe her mic would better have emergency ribbon, too.

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 16:51
"But, it was poem about love, so try to guess... :-))"

Mermaid, stop fantasizing about me and The Seer together :P
;)

By the way, I love Sisters of Mercy. Temple of Love is such a classic! The whole First Last And Always is good!
Do you like The Cult , Mermaid?

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:12
Almagest said:

"Phantom: Yes, I think it's a sign of deep affection. "

And what kind of affection that is? It might be interesting to know what is Phantom deeply affected with?

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:17
CanuckFan,

do me a favour, please, and have a look on the Riddler - do we have one more american here?

And for that matter - look at the names he called ME - is not he a pastry chef, too?

With one exception (when called "Ducky") I ended up as a cake every time...

THNX. :-)))

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 17:20
Phantom asked me about Cult (by Sisters of mercy)

and I had a look on youtube to remid me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZOSBpnGR00&feature=PlayList&p=9C377121397136B8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=35

this is with the The CROW movie.

People, seriously, The Crow is a MUST!

Now I know what i am going to do this evening..

Thanks for having SUCH A FUN today
and hope that the rest of our crew
and friends of the crew will join as when after they will wake up...

See you soon!

mermaid wrote on 08.09.2009 at 18:09
I maybe like the only Singaporean here who's sorta like LOLing at the comments below, like it's been off tangent XD and DC gonna nuke out the New NW to bits XD

Sigh currently a lot of good metal bands this day are in a plateu due to em being a tad too successful, ;( Oh well there's always BEHEMOTH ;O)

Ravisk wrote on 08.09.2009 at 18:16
Man, how I hate being in a time zone way the hell behind Europe!

@ Mermaid: I'm glad I made your day with the caveman falsetto comment!

As for The Riddler...I doubt he's American or Canadian. His English is very good and if I had to peg him as a native English speaker, I'd guess he's from the UK or another English-speaking country with UK influence. But there are a few subtleties in his written English that suggest to me that he might be a non-native English speaker. It's hard to say. "Ducky" sounds British to me; "Cup cake" could be anywhere - or he could be a Fonzie fan. Hard to say.

@ Phantom

RE: "Talking about dildos.It's not the same for men, those fake vaginas or sex-dolls are boring."

Well, yeah, but there are always your own two hands, right? Same diff with the dildo.

CanuckFan wrote on 08.09.2009 at 18:55
@ Mermaid

Re: "your desire for licking chocolate from white chest of wonders...
It is just a thought, but the fact that you are a pastry chef -

could not this to be a clue, too...?"

Clue to what?

And yeah, OK, I like diary. What can I say? Butter is my best friend & I love yogurt (cannot stand cottage cheese). But the picture of Tuomas's chest on the DPP CD cover is the one that did it for me. It's quite attractive there.

CanuckFan wrote on 08.09.2009 at 18:59
@ Mermaid

Haven't heard of Sisters of Mercy, but will check out the links when I get back from work today. I have to leave soon, actually.

I have heard of Placebo, however; they are OK, not exactly my cup of tea.

And you want recipes? Really? OK. Here is one I made this weekend, in fact, and it was delicious, simple, and made both good dessert AND breakfast:

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Apple-Tart-with-Caramel-Sauce-236507

Do you have any specific requests?

You know (I am being sneaky here, but...) I could start a CanuckFan/Mermaid thread in the MFF forum (other people would be welcome, too, of course) and we could share recipes & music suggestions galore there...If you want, of course. I would be super convenient, more so than these threads. I see The Seer has signed up for the forum, BTW.

CanuckFan wrote on 08.09.2009 at 19:07
@mermaid

Unfortunately i can't,since Olzon screens the comments before posting them.
And she doesn't answer to any comments of that kind...
BUT
she puts some of them as a post in and she answers them in order that ALL her followers see that and attack the person who dared to say those things to their Princess.
And with their never ending flood of stupidity like:
"don't listen to those mean people,they're just jealous/stupid/biased/with no life/put whatever here".

Legeon wrote on 08.09.2009 at 19:43
@CanuckFan

I want to become a pastry chef too...I've thought many times to start studying it when i finish University...
I'm a natural too :) I always make them delicious,even with no recipe or instructions...
My specialite is brownies with chocolate chunks :)

But i would like to ask you:have you ever stated or heard the Starbucks cheesecake with chocolate?
Do you have a recipe?

Legeon wrote on 08.09.2009 at 19:55
@Mermaid: I actually meant the band The Cult ;)
This is their biggest hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3DgAJwVeVU

It's a band from the 80s, I think that in a way they inspired HIM and the goth rock / goth 'n roll scene .

Phantom wrote on 08.09.2009 at 20:19
"Dude, don't write obscenities please XD "

I wasn't. I meant a photo of her and didlo on the table near her, or at best in her hands. And what did YOU imagine? You must hide your dirty imagination and calm down your ego, old chap ;)

"Well, do you really think I asked you seriously.? "

Well, do you think I was upset seriously, pumpkin? :)

The Riddler wrote on 08.09.2009 at 22:19
@Legeon

I went to university before retraining, too, and it makes a huge difference. But a word of advice: do the pastry training while young; it gets way harder the older you get, in so many ways.

As for the chocolate cheesecake, no I haven't tried the Starbucks' version. Starbucks baking in general is very good, but it probably varies in selection depending on where you go.

Now, I have a bazillion cheesecake recipes! Literally - a bazillion. I can't find a link on the Kraft site for the chocolate cheesecake recipe I always use - it's old and they probably don't have it in their database anymore, BUT, if you go to www.kraft.com and search for cheesecakes you'll find lots of recipes. The Philadelphia Cream Cheese recipes (produced by Kraft) are always foolproof - I've made them countless times in commercial settings and have never had a problem. I only make the baked ones, though; I don't know about the no-bakes ones.

Here are a couple of good ones:

http://www.kraftfoods.com/kf/recipes/chocolate-lovers-cheesecake-51343.aspx

http://www.kraftfoods.com/kf/recipes/philadelphia-double-chocolate-cheesecake-61703.aspx (skip the blueberries if you can't get them)

Epicurious (http://www.epicurious.com/) is also an excellent site where I get a lot of ideas, inspiration, and recipes from. Here is one of their chocolate cheesecakes:

http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/food/views/Deep-Dark-Chocolate-Cheesecake-236209

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 01:16
@ Legeon - any other questions, do let me know. :)

@ Phantom: I love The Cult!

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 01:17
The Riddler: Your idea is even crazier than mine (about firing the fans)! LOL!

mermaid: I know the version of Temple of Love with Ofra Haza. Once I played it to my mother and she said she liked it! LOL! She never seems to like any of my music ...

CanuckFan: The Riddler uses unusual smileys, like Russians do, and always writes "didlo". I think The Riddler is Czech. XD

Here, Tuomas's ideal woman: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealDoll

It would be really interesting to force Tarja and Tuomas to live with each other. Perhaps like Big Brother. I would be very curious which of the two would freak out first. :-p

Almagest wrote on 09.09.2009 at 06:10
"Your idea is even crazier than mine (about firing the fans)! LOL!"

The firing of some fans already took place with that lovely open letter, cause many old fans "left" the band with the first singer ;P and then NW "hired" some new fandom with hiring Fatty Nettie, LOL

"The Riddler uses unusual smileys, like Russians do, and always writes "didlo". I think The Riddler is Czech. XD"

Now the quest of DC is to find my origins, LOL. Should I be flattered? But I must disappoint you, mate, I'm not Czech, do not speak Czech and never have been in Czech Republic. :)
Some of my friends who are British or German use those smiles too. And I write "didlo" because I like that word that way, that's my conception of macrocosm , LOL

The Riddler wrote on 09.09.2009 at 09:56
@CanuckFan

Thank you :)

Legeon wrote on 09.09.2009 at 10:28
Sorry to dissapoint you, but I was the first person who put "didlo" here (typo)
and in replay to me Riddler repeat that few times.

I thought that he is either joking on me, or did not know how to type it properly.
That was why I asked CanuckFan about his nationality...

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 10:44
Almagest said:
"I know the version of Temple of Love with Ofra Haza"

You know Ofra Haza?? I LOVED her... :-)

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:19
Almagest: "It would be really interesting to force Tarja and Tuomas to live with each other. Perhaps like Big Brother. I would be very curious which of the two would freak out first. :-p"

LOL , interesting idea. It would be the biggest reality drama of all time. I don't think they would freak out. Eventually they will end up like me and Mermaid put in the same house for a while XD ;)

@TheRiddler, I wasn't imaging anything :P . The mere idea of Anette writing about dildos on her blog freaks me out.

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:24
CanuckFan said:

"Man, how I hate being in a time zone way the hell behind Europe! "
______________________________
Well, how a super FUN we might have together - I hate that, too BTW, because I am here when nobody is, so I can ust comment what you discussed already and vice versa.

On the other hand - you really made me my day, yesterday, i laughed even by driving my car back home:

Ideal man for me (Phantom´s discovery): "tall, strong, chest, strong arm, does vibrate..."
___________________________
OMG. OMG.

I will have a look on your forum, when more time - I was there ALREADY but it wanted me to register (that makes me always crazy, because for that I need to create new mail adress somewhere and because I do it EVERYTIME I register somewhere, I certainly have a thousands adresses just everywhere, but I do not remember where, and even if I do not remember name and password..) oh, well.
That is upsetting thing.

Any interest for my receipes? I collected quite special ones within all these years of my travelling, but I preffer Far East...
And you can not expect ANY sweets from me.

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:29
I truly loved Ofra Haza and I should say - have you ever visited any muslim country?

Have you ever heard Muezzin´s calling for the morning service while sun is about to raise over the horizon, but did not yet do so
and in this soft light you can just see a desert everywhere -
it is one of the most fascinating experiences you might get in this world,
spiritualy, esthetically, intelectually, etc..

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:47
OK, I suspect explanation is needed:

OK, now - Muezzin is NOT a priest, it is is a chosen person at the mosque who leads the call (adhan) to Friday service and the five daily prayers (salat) from one of the mosque's minarets (in most modern mosques, electronic amplification aids the muezzins).

The institution of muezzin has existed since the time of Muhammad. The first muezzin was Bilal ibn Ribah, who walked the streets to call the believers to come to prayer.

After minarets became customary, the office of muezzin in cities was sometimes given to a blind person, who could not look down into the inner courts of the citizen's houses and thus could not violate privacy.

The acts of the muezzin are also considered an art form, reflected in the melodious chanting of the adhan.

There are even competitions for them and history remembers some famous muezzines. So, tu put it simple - it IS an ART. And it is beautiful.

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:51
Phantom said: "Eventually they will end up like me and Mermaid put in the same house for a while XD ;)"

Tuomas and Tarja = Phantom and mermaid

I know that. I'm glad you finally admitted it. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 11:55
Seer,

I admited nothing.

Would somebody of you finally explained me that commenst on Phantom´s affection?

You had (with Almagest) all discussion on that subect...

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:05
mermaid said: "Seer, I admited nothing."

No, not you. Phantom did.

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:14
"Tuomas and Tarja = Phantom and mermaid

I know that. I'm glad you finally admitted it. :-p"

TheSeer, I didn't specify what would eventually happen ;)

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:30
OK, so you are not going to talk to me...

OooooK.

These things might go both ways, you know that.

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:37
Are you talking to me , mermaid?

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:41
Phantom said: "TheSeer, I didn't specify what would eventually happen ;) "

I never said you did. :-p

mermaid said: "OK, so you are not going to talk to me...
OooooK. These things might go both ways, you know that."

Tuomas and Tarja also stopped communicating in the end of 2004. I predict bright future to our crew. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:44
Phantom said: "Are you talking to me , mermaid?"

No Phantom she is talking to us. :-p

TheSeer wrote on 09.09.2009 at 12:46
As for Ofra Haza:
Im Nin Alu

hit version
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPyzi9V72PM

original song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqQ4MCy5Ow8&feature=related

enjoy

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 13:49
OK, I am finally up and semi-lucid, thanks to a huge shot of caffeine. It's just after 9am Vancouver time...

@ Legeon: You're welcome!

@Mermaid: I am ALWAYS interested in collecting & making international recipes! Send me some of your favourites, please!

@ Tero/MFF - incidentally, I make a killer pulla! :) My best friend's mom is Finnish & I got the recipe from her.

Mermaid, re. the forum: why do you need a new email address? From what I know, it isn't posted anywhere unless you want it to be, and you can send messages to other forum members via a form rather than by email. I do not have any of my contact information made public in my profile, and I use my regular email address & have had no problem.

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:12
@ Mermaid

Re. "Ideal man for me (Phantom´s discovery): "tall, strong, chest, strong arm, does vibrate..."

Yeah...same here. I like tall, I like built, I like nice chests & asses, but I have come to realize that a vibrating penis is probably asking too much!

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:15
@ Mermaid & Almagest, etc.

Re. The Riddler's smileys: Those are north-American-esque smileys. For me this [XD] makes no sense to me; over here we do this instead [:D] This [;)] is a smile with a wink and you see it all the time over here.

Soooooo...also, the use of "mate" - I'm still guessing UK, perhaps Australia.

As for the "didlo" - I didn't even notice that.

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:21
I said to CanuckFan:

"I collected quite special ones within all these years of my travelling, but I preffer Far East... "
______________________
I like really old recipes and I do collect them.
The one great thing about them is that you do not need any fancy modern technology for cooking something they did cook in ancient Egypt 3ths years ago ...

the next good thing is that you do not need precision to cook that (like to pipette exactly 1,4 drops of water to the flour)
OR whisk whites under the steam for 3 hours 23 seconds

the next next good thing is that normally you do not need to watch it all the time like a mother hen in order to prevent it to get spoiled (burned to ashes for example)

and the main main important thing is that you do not need to store it by -12C and eat it within one day - these meals were produced to be nice even after few days (sometimes are even nicier after few days)

But maybe we should move this discussion to forum, so poor Tero will not get hungry because of us... :-)))

I will try to have a look on your forum tomorrow, ok?

mermaid wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:22
@ Mermaid: The "spankies" and "spearms" are still cracking me up!

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 19:23
CanuckFan:
"Yeah...same here. I like tall, I like built, I like nice chests & asses, but I have come to realize that a vibrating penis is probably asking too much!"

Mermaid is a demanding lady :P

Phantom wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:30
The Riddler: Good point about firing the fans and getting new ones; I had been thinking about that, too, in fact. You could have quoted Douglas Adams and said "There is another theory which states that this has already happened". LOL!

CanuckFan: You have missed that The Riddler's smileys only consist of a repeated closing bracket (parenthesis), like this: ")))))))))))))))))))))" I've only ever seen Russians use it.

What's so funny about the "spearms"?

Almagest wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:44
@ Mermaid

Later today, I'll even start us a thread over there, OK?

@ Phantom: no, she's not demanding; she just knows what she wants and isn't afraid to put it out there! That's the sign of an empowered, confident woman.

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 21:56
@ Mermaid (& anyone else who is interested)

Here, I started a thread for us - the General Friendly Chat Thread:

http://metalfromfinland.forumakers.com/general-discussion-f11/the-canuckfan-mermaid-and-anyone-else-who-wants-to-participate-general-friendly-chat-thread-t58.htm#564

CanuckFan wrote on 09.09.2009 at 22:58
@ Almagest

Re. "You have missed that The Riddler's smileys only consist of a repeated closing bracket (parenthesis), like this: ")))))))))))))))))))))" I've only ever seen Russians use it."

I didn't miss them. Quite frankly, I didn't know what the hell all those brackets were. I certainly didn't interpret them as smilies, though. Often over here we use brackets for virtual hugs [(((hugs)))] but that's the only similarity I could find. I didn't know Russians use brackets like that for smilies! You learn something new every day, eh?

Re. "the spearms" - oh, LOL! I think Mermaid meant to say "sperms" - but we'd just say sperm in the singular here (like with fish, for instance). The misspelling was just funny to me - half sperm, half spears...Perhaps it's just my sense of humour! :)

CanuckFan wrote on 10.09.2009 at 00:36
"@TheRiddler, I wasn't imaging anything :P . The mere idea of Anette writing about dildos on her blog freaks me out."

Well, doesn't she write all kinds of gibberish in her blog already? That wouldn't make any difference. LOL

"You have missed that The Riddler's smileys only consist of a repeated closing bracket (parenthesis), like this: ")))))))))))))))))))))" I've only ever seen Russians use it."

You have missed the point that I've used miscellaneous kinds of smileys through out my posts. I use what I like. And though I've met Russians or talked to them in the net, that's hardly makes me a Russian. :) Also about dropping articles, LOL, we are doing funny chats here, and honestly I wasn't doing any efforts to write here in bookish English, old thing. But maybe you want me to write in "ye olde" English, LOL ))

The Riddler wrote on 10.09.2009 at 09:36
CanuckFan said:

"I am ALWAYS interested in collecting & making international recipes! Send me some of your favourites, please! "
_______________________________
Ok, as i saw you have been here yesterday in the same time like me, so i plan to come to forum today and try to catch you there.

I like to give receipes not in instructional point of view but as a story
so it will be a way tooo long for this place

and Tero might get annoyed and/or hungry by reading it ALL.

I will start with something which is as simple as you might get, one of the oldiest meals done on this planet,
yet meal which has a strange history and within last century is about to be forgotten..

OK, the meal I am talking about is still very popular in France and they call it "Cassoulet".

Yet, after further investigation I found out that this meal is in fact Jewish.

Before the WWII it was known in Hungary as "solet",
in ex-Tzechoslovakia as "shoulet",
the same in Russia,
I did not manage to find out how it was called in Poland,
AND in all these coutries I did not manage to find out people who CAN cook it. Only the people who have some vague recollections on how their grandma use to talk about it...
So, one more generation to come and nobody within Europe (with France as an exception) will know what "shoulet" is.

As I said - it is as simple meal as you might get. After all, the medieval village had some infrastructure already - you need hens to have eggs, cows to get milk, mill to get flour, etc...

But this meal does not need anything of mentioned above. It is done out of beans "spiced" with a small piece of meat, bacon and
some basic vegetables: onion, garlic, carrots, tomatoes, celery. In original jewish receipe were grits used,
in my fancy version we will need one fullhand of breadcrumbs and a small slice of butter. :-)

As for a French name "Cassoulet" - "cassa" in French means baking clay vessel, used to prepare this meal,

so it looks like French just took the word "Soulet" and add a "Cassa" in front of it.

Looking forward to see you in forum. :-))

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 12:21
CanuckFan said:

"@ Mermaid: The "spankies" and "spearms" are still cracking me up!"
_____________________________
I might imagine THAT - I still lauging about
"tall boy vibrating" and "falzetto" thing is also cheering me up.

As I mentioned I have a shi-tzu boy.
Our neighbour has two wolfhounds, BIG ones, both male.

One of the most funiest things you could see in our village are
those two guys barking in FALZETTO on my dog whenever they see him
(they do bark as crazy and jump on their fencies - they sure will die young because of heart attack)

while my dog barks back in BASS (better voice then Ville Valo)

Those two are truly considered to be GAYs because of that
although there never was any proof...

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 12:31
So, CanuckFan,

I was there, got registered, left you a message.
You are right, let us move out of here - there is anyway nobody to talk to..

Now we could have some deeply female discussions there as well..... :-P

mermaid wrote on 10.09.2009 at 13:37
@ The Riddler

Re. "You have missed the point that I've used miscellaneous kinds of smileys through out my posts."

Actually, I didn't miss it - but it is clever of you to keep this practice up, matey. :) Keeps us all on our toes.

I'm pretty sure you're a non-native English speaker, though, but that's the only thing I'm sure of. I don't care where you're from! I don't care if commenters here wish to be enigmatic about their nationality; I figure I'm pretty safe because Canada is a huge country and it's not a big deal to me to reveal that, but everyone has their own boundaries on a board like this.

CanuckFan wrote on 10.09.2009 at 19:18
The Riddler: As I said at the other article, dropping articles is uncharacteristic of a native speaker, even when writing informally. Only in some VERY SPECIFIC contexts it can be seen, and this is not one of it. No hurry, no space limitations.

You just don't write like any native speaker of English I've ever met.

Just an observation. Nice to see CanuckFan agreeing with me. :-)

Almagest wrote on 10.09.2009 at 23:23
@ Almagest

I think I agree with more than I let on...;)

CanuckFan wrote on 11.09.2009 at 03:05
@ Almagest

This is a dead giveaway:

"we are doing funny chats here, and honestly I wasn't doing any efforts to write here in bookish English"

A native English speaker would never use the verb "doing" in that way, plus the grammar is off with "I wasn't doing any efforts." Again, wrong verb, and the pluralization of "efforts" is incorrect.

But until I read that sentence, I was convinced The Riddler WAS a native English speaker.

He's good, what can I say? And clever! Go Riddler!

OK, who else thinks of Batman when they hear "The Riddler?" Anyone, or is it just me? I LOVE that song, I just get unpleasant images of Jack Nicholson in my mind whenever I hear it!

CanuckFan wrote on 11.09.2009 at 03:12
People leave The Riddler alone!!!

TheSeer wrote on 11.09.2009 at 03:43
Why so, Seer?
He clearly enjoy all this attention...

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 11:52
CanuckFan:

you "put an effort", right?

Actually, I do not think he is native, too - seems to be a bit overdoing to me.. if you know what I mean.

That cheerfull approach is a bit out of line - that is how I see it. Pumpkin.

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 12:49
Actually, coming back to that love and sex topic we had here few days ago...

It always makes me confused when people are like: it is either "true love" or you could have sex (and you are a BAD girl, shame on you!!)

I still think I managed to achive both things - am I really the one and only?

http://tup.buzznet.com/user/journal/29560/

Ville Valo says in this interview that:

"Q: Is there something that you wish women remember you by? A: The smell of my skin"

And I was thinking about that ... and even checked how am I remembered.

So, results are as follows:

I am remembered by the smell of my hair (one ex)
The other ex remembers me by my habit to put him palm of my right hand on his chest and push him futher (at least I tried to do that)
whenever he started to be cheeky.. and by sniffing while thinking.

(nothing could please woman as much as if she is told that she looks like rabbit - all my dreams come true in one minute!)

Now, how do I know whether it was "true love" or just sex? How are you remembered, guys?
And how do YOU remember your "true loves"?

Just out of curiosity...

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 13:02
Almagest said:

" dropping articles is uncharacteristic of a native speaker, even when writing informally. "
___________________________________

well, the you never saw some workbooks of my students...

Some of them never used articles. Or only if they were writting in foreign languages. (because style was valuated, too)

I saw with my own eyes ONE SENTENCE longer then a page and a half...

whilest there was no home sentence but an amazing number of subordinate clauses....

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 13:12
"I'm pretty sure you're a non-native English speaker, though, but that's the only thing I'm sure of."

You can never be sure enough, lollypop :)

"You just don't write like any native speaker of English I've ever met. "

Today is your lucky day. :P

"A native English speaker would never use the verb "doing" in that way, plus the grammar is off with "I wasn't doing any efforts." Again, wrong verb, and the pluralization of "efforts" is incorrect."

Well, Americans are using English in very different ways, they mostly do not mind the traditional English grammatics at all :) And it got very popular in the net as well. It can be called now American language, not English, LOL Internet does have bad influence on proper English. My poor old teacher would have been shocked ))

The Seer, honey, don't be worried. They still can't guess right. :)

The Riddler wrote on 11.09.2009 at 14:45
Riddler,

I am still thinking about words you typed here on Tuesday:

"real love make you continue lovemaking for hours, and you do not have to put batteries to your ass for that :)) "
___________________________________

and I should say I can not really imagine your TECHNIQUE -

Baterries should be placed INTO a DILDO
NOT into your ASS...

(that is how they say it in instructions for use as far as I know).

Does this mean that you keep dildo static and you try to vibrate around?

(I suppose here that we talk about personal use, as far as any female would consider ASS to be but a SECOND option, not FIRST..)

You know - and this is what happen to men mainly - they simply hate to ask for / read instructions, and then we come to situations like this..

mermaid wrote on 11.09.2009 at 15:57
"I am still thinking about words you typed here on Tuesday"

Thank you, mermaid, it is nice to know that I haunt your mind :)

"and I should say I can not really imagine your TECHNIQUE"

Oh, you have to SEE it, baby. I can't explain it to you in words, LOL

"Does this mean that you keep dildo static and you try to vibrate around?"

I've to disappoint you, I do not use it at all. But you as a devoted user must tell me how you use it. You like the word "vibration" a lot, don't you?
After all are we going to turn this place into "Porn from Finland" or not? ;P

The Riddler wrote on 11.09.2009 at 17:17
mermaid said: "I suppose here that we talk about personal use, as far as any female would consider ASS to be but a SECOND option, not FIRST"

Well if you are a virgin female living in some traditional country and if you want BOTH things to remain the way they are, then ass is your first and only option.

TheSeer wrote on 11.09.2009 at 18:10
CanuckFan said:
"Yeah...same here. I like tall, I like built, I like nice chests & asses, but I have come to realize that a vibrating penis is probably asking too much!"
________________________________
I should say that I really do not go for asses... Though, I have witnessed that many women do - and guys feels very shocked when they occasionally find out!!

Boys in my coutry feel always free to comment on female asses and tits, etc.

but when confronted with a female valuation of their own asses.. they sometimes looked like they are about to faint!

But as for me - I am more interested in frontline part equipment, if you get my point.

We have a belief here that the size of shoes reflects the size of the very thing... and then we have another belief that the nose of a man in question leads you there...

My ex-colleauge from purchasing had a whole theory on this matter, combining both factors (the size of a shoe and a nose) and she said she has a very good results with it

and because she tested this theory on falf of production guys I tend to believe her.

So based on her theory and on a look of Maestro´s shoes and nose I am quite certain that there in NO HUGE surprise hidden in Maestro ? pants..

but a small one.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 10:54
The Riddler said:

"You like the word "vibration" a lot, don't you? "
__________________________

Well, I am a teacher in physical sciences. What would you expect?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 10:55
Seer said:

"Well if you are a virgin female living in some traditional country and if you want BOTH things to remain the way they are, then ass is your first and only option."
_____________________________
You think that this is the case? That Riddler is a virgin living in a traditional country?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 10:57
Mermaid : Aah what a theory ! Is your friend an andrologist?

"So based on her theory and on a look of Maestro´s shoes and nose I am quite certain that there in NO HUGE surprise hidden in Maestro ? pants.. "

Actually I met the guy a couple of times and he has overall a big face and his nose is not exactly small. According to your theory he should be quite equiped.
I bet you know, experienced as you are, that thin (and tall) guys usually have a longer equipement. Or at least that's a popular belief.

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 11:27
Mermaid , anyway I'm sure you pay attention to Maestro's "nose" much more than me , I suppose you could be right about him ;)

/yawns exhausted

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 11:35
Phantom,

you would better go and get some sleep if you are SO exhausted...

Actually, "Or at least that's a popular belief. "

I can imagine that this belief is quite popular -mainly between thin boys...

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 12:11
I know about one common belief (popular mainly between males less equiped)

Even the small actor could put up a great show.

The aforementioned famous sexuologist once commented this as follows:

The most important word in that sentence is a word: "show"

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 12:14
"Well, I am a teacher in physical sciences. What would you expect?"

I would expect nothing, cutie, still I didn't know that teachers in physical sciences were so keen on everything that vibrates, LOL

"That Riddler is a virgin living in a traditional country?"

Phantom, man, I'm stepping on your territory I'm afraid. Now mermaid is flirting with me. She is already having sexual fantasies about me. But honestly, I'm a gentleman and won't come in between you and mermaid....like some Mafioso dude between the Maestro and the Diva :))

The Riddler wrote on 14.09.2009 at 12:55
Riddler said:

"She is already having sexual fantasies about me."

well, not really. I was just wandering how did this come to Seer´s mind, when we did talk about you.
I actually, could not see you as "a virgin from traditional coutry" at all.

" But honestly, I'm a gentleman and won't come in between you and mermaid...."

Well, well, well, you need two people for this decission to be taken. I, for one, do not remember me to be OWNED by Phantom...

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:05
As for vibrating, Riddler,

how do you think music is created - ever seen a guitar with STRINGS?

And how comes that you can hear something?

There is a whole part of physical science called Sound and waves..

And with a lot of vibrations.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:08
Riddler said:

"Oh, you have to SEE it, baby. I can't explain it to you in words, LOL
__________________________________
Sounds interesting. What a pity you can not go for some details...
__________________________________

"I've to disappoint you, I do not use it at all. But you as a devoted user must tell me how you use it."

Well, you jumped to some conclussions, again, without supporting evidnece here.

But I, as a female, tend to read instructions. So, maybe I could suggest you to start from there, too.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:12
"I can imagine that this belief is quite popular -mainly between thin boys... "

Well, chubby men look like they have it shorter. :P

"I know about one common belief (popular mainly between males less equiped)
Even the small actor could put up a great show."

So, you care about the size, don't you?

@Riddler "Phantom, man, I'm stepping on your territory I'm afraid. Now mermaid is flirting with me. She is already having sexual fantasies about me. But honestly, I'm a gentleman and won't come in between you and mermaid....like some Mafioso dude between the Maestro and the Diva :))"

Oh well, with the only difference that The Diva didn't have sexual fantasies about Maestro.
On the other hand, Mermaid won't be "satisfied" just with me Riddler, she is demanding ;) .

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:15
Phantom said:

"So, you care about the size, don't you? "
_________________________
who does not? Have you never seen little boys trying to find out who´s bigger?
_________________________

Phantom: "Oh well, with the only difference that The Diva didn't have sexual fantasies about Maestro. !
___________________________

well, I do not see any difference here - I did not ahev any sexual (or other) nightmare about Maestro either..
____________________________
Phantom: " On the other hand, Mermaid won't be "satisfied" just with me Riddler, she is demanding ;) . "
__________________________

Well, this is to be seen, do not you think so? I did not flirt with anybody here yet, so I am quite an innocent girl from this point of view, do not you think?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 13:34
Mermaid: "who does not? Have you never seen little boys trying to find out who´s bigger? "

Of course. On the other hand, I've heard some women saying size doesn't matter. All bullshits, I suppose.

"Well, this is to be seen, do not you think so? I did not flirt with anybody here yet, so I am quite an innocent girl from this point of view, do not you think?"

You innocent? XD Is that an oxymoron?

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 14:46
"well, not really. I was just wandering how did this come to Seer´s mind, when we did talk about you.
I actually, could not see you as "a virgin from traditional coutry" at all."

So you mean the Seer has sexual fantasies about me?

I got your point about vibrations, sweetie )) You live in the word full of vibrations and you love it. You must be very satisfied with all these vibrations. Oh perhaps all these vibrations are not enough for you still, there is always one more vibration you seek.

"But I, as a female, tend to read instructions. So, maybe I could suggest you to start from there, too."

Sorry, sweetie. I do not read instructions to the things I do not use. And you seem to learn them all by heart :)

"Oh well, with the only difference that The Diva didn't have sexual fantasies about Maestro.
On the other hand, Mermaid won't be "satisfied" just with me Riddler, she is demanding ;) ."

I'm glad you are not jealous. Oh I hope she didn't. I know she was awfully divish and all, but I really hope she wasn't like some fangirl to have dreams about Maestro like these: "Oh, Maestro and his White Chest of Wonders *drooling*" or "send me to the moon you Beast!" ))
Demanding, huh? She still has the Seer :))

mermaid, what a shame that you talk with Phantom about sizes. Remember, that he has a HUGE ego which'll make you blush. LOL

The Riddler wrote on 14.09.2009 at 14:55
Mermaid: "well, I do not see any difference here - I did not ahev any sexual (or other) nightmare about Maestro either."

Still you were wondering about the size of his johnson ;)

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:01
Riddler, Riddler,

"So you mean the Seer has sexual fantasies about me? "
________________________________
you never know, do you? You are after all, not a woman, or?
So, if you are a man, you still could be on Seer´s radar.
He has hot feelings for Phantom, but he never claimed to be a monogamist.

And this is an answer to your other confusion - I am openly female, you would not get mistaken even in a mist and darkness about that..

so, cleraly I am NOT on Seer´s radar.

About the last part - I am not so sure if it is me or Tarja Turunen being awfully "divish" - whatever is that supposed to mean.

But I am free, free as a bird, so I you could be deffinitely on MY radar....

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:17
Riddler,

"that he has a HUGE ego which'll make you blush"

nah, this is to be seen, too.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:20
Mermaid: "But I am free, free as a bird, so I you could be deffinitely on MY radar...."

LOL. So you are already kneeling in front of Riddler XD
Don't you wonder if he's really a man or a teenage girl? :))

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:55
"Still you were wondering about the size of his johnson ;) "

and? I am wondering about many things.... majority of them is NOT sexualy oriented.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 15:58
mermaid said: "You think that this is the case? That Riddler is a virgin living in a traditional country?"

I wasn't speaking about The Riddler, rather generally.

The Riddler said: "I'm a gentleman and won't come in between you and mermaid...."

As long as they are not married, you have every right and, in terms of your manhood, even more, AN OBLIGATION to come in between mermaid and Phantom. ;-)

"like some Mafioso dude between the Maestro and the Diva :))"

I'm not sure who tried to come in between who there. :-p

Phantom said: "Oh well, with the only difference that The Diva didn't have sexual fantasies about Maestro. !

mermaid said: "well, I do not see any difference here - I did not ahev any sexual (or other) nightmare about Maestro either..."

I think Phantom meant you were having sexual phantasies about him, and not about Maestro.

mermaid said: "He [TheSeer] has hot feelings for Phantom"

And the source for that?

TheSeer wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:01
"you never know, do you? You are after all, not a woman, or?
So, if you are a man, you still could be on Seer´s radar.
He has hot feelings for Phantom, but he never claimed to be a monogamist."

Well, as far as I checked this morning I am not a woman. Wanna wait till tomorrow? ;)
Oh, if he has hot feelings for Phantom I'll not interfere. I'm monogamist and always support monogamist relationships.))

"About the last part - I am not so sure if it is me or Tarja Turunen being awfully "divish" - whatever is that supposed to mean."

Mermaid, shame on you. Of course it is Tarja. If you look up in the dictionary the word "diva" you'll see her portrait there :) (check the dictionary by T. Holopainen)

"But I am free, free as a bird, so I you could be deffinitely on MY radar...."

Is that an offer, baby?

"Don't you wonder if he's really a man or a teenage girl? :))"

Oh, Phantom ,please, not you too. Am I SO attractive?! :D

The Riddler wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:12
Seer said:

"I think Phantom meant you were having sexual phantasies about him, and not about Maestro. "
______________________
well, sunflower,
have I ever look like being lesbian???
______________________

mermaid said: "He [TheSeer] has hot feelings for Phantom"

And the source for that?
_______________________

Actually, you said that, remember? And not just once.... remember saying that Phantom broke your heard ... in 2 languages, actually?

Or do you have another boy on your radar and so the memory of Phantom started to vanish... ?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:17
Actually, Seer,

if you will come on Forum, you could see there photos oh The Man of My Life - the one and only.

There are 3 photos of him.... Have a look and tell me - what do you think?

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:22
" in terms of your manhood, even more, AN OBLIGATION to come in between mermaid and Phantom. ;-) "

I'm rolling on the floor XD LOL.

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:23
Riddler: "
Oh, Phantom ,please, not you too. Am I SO attractive?! :D "

Not to me. I was asking because Mermaid still wonders about my gender while she went straight to the core with you.
How come? :P

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:33
Well, Riddler,

"Is that an offer, baby? "

And what did you think?

"Oh, Phantom ,please, not you too. Am I SO attractive?! :D "

Now, we might have a wee bit of a problem, right here. You would better chose, Riddler, if it is going to be Phantom...
OR me.

MFF Staff: Ok should we all just try to stick with the topic? Which was Nightwish. These are conversations to be done at the forum.

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:36
Re:

"I'm monogamist and always support monogamist relationships.)) "
____________________________

Are you sure you are not a teenage girl???
Even Phantom might have a point....

Do even exist males, of completely male persuassion and yet monogamic??

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:40
"I'm not sure who tried to come in between who there. :-p"

My God! The Seer! You are saying that.....no, it can't be. You are saying that it was Diva who came in between Maestro and Mafioso?! O_o
NO! NO!The horror!

The Riddler wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:42
Hello, Tero,

good to see you back.

But be fair and tell us - what to say about topic we overcommented already??

It would be rather helpfull if you will put some NEW NW news here - do not you think so?

We did not feast on any for 3 or even 4 weeks, so you can not really expect us to behave...

MFF Staff: By all means send me news to webmaster@metalfromfinland.com :)

Tero
MFF

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:44
"Not to me. I was asking because Mermaid still wonders about my gender while she went straight to the core with you.
How come? :P"

Perhaps, I'm indeed a VERY attractive hunk here :)

"And what did you think? "

Something about ham sandwich. And you? ))

"Now, we might have a wee bit of a problem, right here. You would better chose, Riddler, if it is going to be Phantom...
OR me."

The choice is painful, I guess I have no other option but to chose....Legeon :)

"Ok should we all just try to stick with the topic? Which was Nightwish. These are conversations to be done at the forum."

We finally did it! We bored Tero himself! Ok, I promise it is my last one. Returning to NW - let's all talk about sweet Anette and her wardrobe!

"Are you sure you are not a teenage girl???
Even Phantom might have a point....
Do even exist males, of completely male persuassion and yet monogamic??"

It runs in the family. My Dad has always been like this to my Mom and he brought me up like this :)

The Riddler wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:50
@TheRiddler : "
My God! The Seer! You are saying that.....no, it can't be. You are saying that it was Diva who came in between Maestro and Mafioso?! O_o
NO! NO!The horror! "

Actually in my dirty mind I understood something else XD

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:53
So, Tero, you are saying there is NOTHING new with NW?

How so?

And as for you, guys, you really could move to forum - it is not just about the cooking there...-
and we might talk faster.

Riddler, what about joining, too?

Seer, sunflower, you have registered already, but you could also join the discussion there, do not you think?
Almagest, Lizzie and Ravisk are there already...
They actually spent weekend by talking about DC.:-))

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:54
Riddler said:

"You are saying that it was Diva who came in between Maestro and Mafioso?! O_o
NO! NO!The horror! "
________________________
Not really. Maybe she did not even new about the fatal attraction between those two...

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 16:56
Back to Nightwish

I've found an interesting pic :

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/6637/img5800jw4mm1.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1352/img5801jf2eo0.jpg

Since when divas are supposed to sit on other people laps? That's not a proper diva behaviour!

Phantom wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:29
Riddler said:

"The choice is painful, I guess I have no other option but to chose....Legeon :) "
________________________
well, if you think - though, I somehow do not see this union to end up in heaven ...
________________________
"Returning to NW - let's all talk about sweet Anette and her wardrobe! "

Suit yourself.
________________________

"It runs in the family. My Dad has always been like this to my Mom and he brought me up like this :)"

I know a joke about this. But I will put it on the forum.

GUYS CAN you NOT join the forum?? - we could have a nive talk there!!!

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:30
OK, if you will not come to Forum,

let us Forum come to you - I will see to it.

We will discuss YOU there.

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 17:32
So, boys,

I started a new topic for you - feel free to discuss all these things there..

http://metalfromfinland.forumakers.com/general-discussion-f11/silver-waters-t60.htm

:-))

mermaid wrote on 14.09.2009 at 18:02
mermaid said: "Seer, sunflower, you have registered already, but you could also join the discussion there, do not you think?"

There's no Phantom there. But OK I might come by tomorrow. :-p

Phantom said: "Since when divas are supposed to sit on other people laps?"

And since when Divas slap their bandmates' bums?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5iS_JrvsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5iS_JrvsM

TheSeer wrote on 14.09.2009 at 18:51
"Actually in my dirty mind I understood something else XD "

Phantom,and will you tell me what you understood?

"Maybe she did not even new about the fatal attraction between those two..."

Now I see the whole picture. Maestro had deep crush on Mafioso who was Diva's husband. Diva loved her husband but mainly she loved money. Mafioso loved money but mainly he loved Diva.
Meastro suffered really hard from that unrequired love. He was very jealous of Diva. But there was also Viking aka Marco who had a secret crush on Maestro. I have proof: http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2356/x61c430ee.jpg

Viking hated both Diva and Mafioso: he hated Diva because she was in the spotlight more than he, also it was her Mafioso husband who stole affection of Maestro. So he made a plan with Shortie aka Empuu and Weirdo aka Jukka (Shortie didn't care about anything and Weirdo cared about NW's shop) and they all decided to get rid of Diva and her Mafioso husband. Meastro understood that the battle for Mafioso's heart had been lost because of Diva and in rage wrote the Letter, all other guys supported him and Diva was kicked out, along with her Mafioso husband to the great frustration of Maestro and to the great joy of Viking!!! The End!

"Since when divas are supposed to sit on other people laps? That's not a proper diva behaviour! "

Oh no, poor Tuomas, what is he doing-allowing diva to sit on his lap!!!! It may be contagious! And look here, he is touching her breasts with his divine head!!!!!!!
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1515/xdece79e9.jpg

The Riddler wrote on 15.09.2009 at 01:14
The Riddler said: "Marco who had a secret crush on Maestro. I have proof: http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2356/x61c430ee.jpg"

LOL!!!

TheSeer wrote on 15.09.2009 at 11:42
Riddler: I can't explain certain details , there are underaged people reading :P

"Oh no, poor Tuomas, what is he doing-allowing diva to sit on his lap!!!! It may be contagious! And look here, he is touching her breasts with his divine head!!!!!!!
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1515/xdece79e9.jpg"

lucky Maestro :P

Phantom wrote on 15.09.2009 at 19:23
"Riddler: I can't explain certain details , there are underaged people reading :P "

You are right, Phantom. It would have been rude. And since mermaid stated she was innocent, it would have been considered as sexual harassment from your side, I'm afraid! ;)

"lucky Maestro :P "

What a strange thing. She is not allowed to step on his shadow and he can place his head on her breasts! What a world!

The Riddler wrote on 15.09.2009 at 20:49
Tero, sorry, but I have to reply or I'll burst. :-p

But I can always submit a few more rumours ... the news on here have been on the less serious side for quite a while already (I fear MFF is selling out and becoming a gossip fanzine about pop princesses) :-p

Given how music is essentially vibrations, this place should be renamed to VFF - VIBRATIONS FROM FINLAND. Who knew that Finland has so many good vibrations?

Phantom: The reason why mermaid wondered about the size of Tuomas's little friend is obviously that he's acting like someone frustrated and unhappy about his a lot - I bet Marcelo has a quality that we've never thought of :-p

mermaid: "I am openly female"

Good one! Let's organise a Female Pride Parade! Lipsticks (and corsets?) for everyone!

The Riddler: Fancy some gender reassignment surgery? I'll do it cheap :-p

I just commented on another thread that perhaps we should make up uncomplementary nicknames for all band members - damn, you've already done it!

Phantom: Divas can behave any way they want - that's why they are divas for!

TheSeer: There's also the scene where Diva assaults Maestro's tummy with her own :P

Always makes me think of the scene where Obelix plays tennis with Asterix bouncing a Roman legionaire with his tummy XD

Almagest wrote on 15.09.2009 at 21:42
More proofs of Tarja's "divishness":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7YbGYc_vH4&feature=channel_page

I hope it worked. I get the same message again: "This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions.". Copyright restrictions!? On a fan-made video!? I hate YouTube. It sucks!

TheSeer wrote on 16.09.2009 at 11:36
Almagest: "There's also the scene where Diva assaults Maestro's tummy with her own :P"

??? I missed this

I don't doubt Marcelo has probably some hidden quality

Phantom wrote on 16.09.2009 at 16:08
Phantom: I couldn't find a video only with the scene, but watch this video at 1:50 ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF7K4uLA1ds

Almagest wrote on 22.09.2009 at 02:18
Almagest said: "Phantom: I couldn't find a video only with the scene, but watch this video at 1:50 ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF7K4uLA1ds"

OMG, this video is BEAUTIFUL! Went to my favourites instantly. :-)

I love when Tarja sings in it "the Age will say this Poet lies...".

*.*

TheSeer wrote on 22.09.2009 at 19:16
Why the fuck do you all insist on being complete arseholes to Anette?

Im fucking sick to the fucking teeth of hearing how she cant sing, shes using Nightwish for fame or whatever bullshit you complete cunts are coming out with

GET A FUCKING GRIP, AND GET OVER ANETTE TAKING TARJAS PLACE

fucking dickwads

Dan wrote on 17.10.2009 at 18:08
Because she deserves it.

I reserve my right to criticise, especially a singer with a diva attitude when she is the new lead singer of a band who fired their old lead singer for diva attitude and never retracted that accusation and nearly ruined her career in the process. Look up "double standards".

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